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Offline Nadir

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Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2019, 03:02:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on February 22, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
    I am a misogynist by normie standards. But I do not hate women at all in reality, in fact I love them so much that often it hurts. I do not think Croix really hates women. I just think he is reacting to feminism and the world's erection of the female into an idol against all reason. I have noticed this even in the anti-feminist world such as among trad-dom. I think there is a tendency to view Christian women as almost un-fallen. I do not often struggle with sins of impurity even though I am a "misogynist" (though I used to sin in that way often in the past) and I would not accuse Croix of that either even though those sins are common. Of course, as with charges of anti-semitism I tend to err on the side of exoneration. Perhaps we should gather around Croix and cry out in unison "Who hurt you?"
    Matto, your post makes me wonder if you know the meaning of mi·sog·y·nist
    [mi-soj-uh-nist, mahy‐]

    NOUN
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    a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #46 on: February 22, 2019, 03:21:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on February 22, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
    Matto, your post makes me wonder if you know the meaning of mi·sog·y·nist
    [mi-soj-uh-nist, mahy‐]

    NOUN
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    a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.
    My definition of misogynist is simply a man who hates women. I think the "normie" definition is a man who does not idolize women.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #47 on: February 22, 2019, 03:37:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on February 22, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
    My definition of misogynist is simply a man who hates women. I think the "normie" definition is a man who does not idolize women.

    Yes, but we can distinguish, just like "αnтι-ѕємιтє" or "racist".
    If racism is "acknowledging and celebrating differences between the races" then racism is good.
    If racism is "hatred, cruelty and violence towards individuals of races you consider inferior" then it's obviously gravely sinful, because it is a form of hatred.

    Same for anti-Semitism. If it means "opposing the machinations of the тαℓмυdic Jєωs unto world domination, the advent of the Antichrist, exposing their cօռspιʀαcιҽs" then it's positively virtuous. But if it means cruelty and violence against individual Jєωs (who probably have nothing to do with the global conspiracy) then it's obviously sinful.

    Same with misogyny.

    When a CathInfo member calls someone "misogynist", they mean a TRUE misogynist -- one who has a serious problem with women, which could best be described as a hatred (i.e., they can do nothing right).

    None of us give any credence to the watered down "normie" definitions of these terms. According to the MSM, every Trump supporter (numbering in the tens of millions) is a racist. Obviously THAT kind of "racist" can't mean much, if it has to apply to so many good people, VIRTUALLY ALL of whom aren't truly racist at all.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #48 on: February 22, 2019, 03:41:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on February 22, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
    My definition of misogynist is simply a man who hates women. I think the "normie" definition is a man who does not idolize women.

    I think that the appropriate definitions involves something in between ... a contempt for women in general (vs. particular women).  Yes, the feminists might consider anything short of woman-worship to be misogyny.  But there are degrees of misogyny which fall well short of having a Satan-like hatred of women.  It's clear to me that Croix holds women in contempt, and so I would label him a misogynist.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #49 on: February 22, 2019, 08:07:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 22, 2019, 03:41:45 PM
      It's clear to me that Croix holds women in contempt, and so I would label him a misogynist.

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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #50 on: February 22, 2019, 08:08:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 22, 2019, 08:35:09 AM


    You have very much shown yourself to be a misogynist (we know that you're Croix/Quid returning for a 3rd time after having been banned), yet you would have many of these inferior creatures around you.  Only explanation that makes sense is the one put forward by ihsv, that it's driven by lust.



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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #51 on: February 22, 2019, 08:09:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 22, 2019, 08:54:44 AM
    Well, although my wife doesn't have an account here, and just lurks (I've encouraged her to sign up before), I just have to post her comment:

    #impotency
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #52 on: February 22, 2019, 08:12:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on February 22, 2019, 02:02:05 PM
    Not even the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth himself, has the power to change what the Church has defined infallibly, such as a Tridentine Canon. Canons are dogmas of the Faith. They do not concern disciplinary or temporary affairs; but are dogmatic, which means they are true for ever. These truths are immutable.

    Popes can only revise or alter disciplinary matters and sometimes even override each other pertaining those, but they cannot touch dogmas. The Catholic Church has already condemned Polygamy in the Council of Trent; and this is a dogmatic infallible truth. For the good of your soul, it is best to put this issue to rest.

    Not all of Trent was ex cathdedra, and no catechism is ex cathedra.

    Where in Trent does it say that it's ex cathedra that the pope can't loosen the one wife restriction to multiple wives? It's saying that the current law of marriage between one man and one wife must be lived faithfully as the Sacrament of Marriage, but it doesn't say the pope can't make the Sacrament of Marriage like the marital order of the early Hebrews, which God allowed as men having multiple wives.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #53 on: February 22, 2019, 08:56:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on February 21, 2019, 07:18:06 PM
    I am not sure if it is true, but I have heard it claimed that the Catholic Bishops of Paraguay allowed the men of that country to take on multiple wives after the War of the Triple Alliance where most of the country's men were killed because there were many more women than men left alive after the war was over. I don't know if this is true but I have heard the claim made.
    There doesn't appear to be any record of the bishops or Rome permitting polygamy in Paraguay. It is possibly anti-Catholic propaganda, or possibly a misinterpretation of something else.

    Parts of Africa culturally and legally accept polygamy, but the Church never let converts in Africa practice polygamy after conversion. If the Church could allow exceptions, I think exceptions would have shown up in Africa.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #54 on: February 22, 2019, 09:16:21 PM »
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #55 on: February 22, 2019, 09:23:07 PM »
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    but Trent doesn't say the pope can't make the Sacrament of Marriage like the marital order of the early Hebrews, which God allowed as men having multiple wives.
    Matt 19:8 - Christ clearly explains that Moses allowed multiple wives because of the joos’ “hardness of heart”, yet He says, “from the beginning it was not so.”  Ergo this was an exception.

    The new law is a perfection of the old.  Thus, Christ did away with marital exceptions and the Church has reiterated His teachings.  When Trent says that polygamy is against the Divine Law, followed by an anathema, that means it’s dogma.  Case closed.

    It’s a spiritual principle that one cannot go backwards in the spiritual life.  Thus, in the spiritual progress of the history of mankind, from old law to new, God (through His Church) will not allow poligamy or divorce again.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #56 on: February 22, 2019, 09:25:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 22, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
    Matt 19:8 - Christ clearly explains that Moses allowed multiple wives because of the joos’ “hardness of heart”, yet He says, “from the beginning it was not so.”


    Wrong analysis. He's stating that divorce is now illegal and it can't be made permissible under the New Law.
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #57 on: February 22, 2019, 09:45:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on February 22, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
    My definition of misogynist is simply a man who hates women. I think the "normie" definition is a man who does not idolize women.
    Thanks Matto. I'll take it to "Spelling Challenge".
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #58 on: February 22, 2019, 10:23:16 PM »
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    Wrong analysis. 
    No, it applies to polygamy as well because Christ refers to “the beginning” (ie Eden) to show that God designed marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman.  The old law had exceptions for both divorce and polygamy, yet Christ is saying this was/is not God's true plan.  The new law no longer allows either exception.  This is a divine law, which no pope can rescind.  New law, new rules. 
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    Re: Bring Back Multiple Wives?
    « Reply #59 on: February 22, 2019, 11:28:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Judith 15 Ten on February 22, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
    Not all of Trent was ex cathdedra, and no catechism is ex cathedra.

    Where in Trent does it say that it's ex cathedra that the pope can't loosen the one wife restriction to multiple wives? It's saying that the current law of marriage between one man and one wife must be lived faithfully as the Sacrament of Marriage, but it doesn't say the pope can't make the Sacrament of Marriage like the marital order of the early Hebrews, which God allowed as men having multiple wives.

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