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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: PenitentWoman on July 14, 2012, 02:29:35 PM
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http://againstallheresies.blogspot.com/2006/11/marriage-top-ten-list-of-why.html
I have to laugh about #4. After wearing a long skirt to work last night I was instantly nicknamed "Blondie Duggar." :facepalm:
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10, 4, and 3 for me
considering contemplative life vocation anyway
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Yikes, my blondeness is really showing. I did not realize that this was written by a female. So is she making good points or just being bitter?
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10, 4, and 3 for me
considering contemplative life vocation anyway
You admit to #4?
I thought the men who would admit to looking for #4 -- the "perfect" woman -- would be few and far between.
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You can't find a woman who will homeschool?? It is becoming so popular even among non religious families.
There is so much available online to get started.
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10, 4, and 3 for me
considering contemplative life vocation anyway
You admit to #4?
I thought the men who would admit to looking for #4 -- the "perfect" woman -- would be few and far between.
you missed the part of my post which I had edited out
I figured the humor was a bit much
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Yikes, my blondeness is really showing. I did not realize that this was written by a female. So is she making good points or just being bitter?
I presume the goal was humor. There's certainly some truth to it, but you can just as easily turn the statements around and apply them all from the ladies' perspective in searching for a potential husband.
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You can't find a woman who will homeschool?? It is becoming so popular even among non religious families.
There is so much available online to get started.
cant find a TRAD woman who will also homeschool
also cant find a TRAD woman
my original trade would have been teacher, if married trad non-homeschooler id start my own homeschool business
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
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Right now all I need is a man to come slay the gigantic, homicidal spider that is dwelling in my shower. I need to get ready. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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The major reason is that marriage is a low priority for most modern young women and their parents, including those who are called "trads"
Until they're desperate. That comes later.
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
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Right now all I need is a man to come slay the gigantic, homicidal spider that is dwelling in my shower. I need to get ready. :cry: :cry: :cry:
was saying that i cant find any trad women at all
id get your spider it but would be unseemly for a man to go to a lady's shower unchaperoned
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
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Right now all I need is a man to come slay the gigantic, homicidal spider that is dwelling in my shower. I need to get ready. :cry: :cry: :cry:
was saying that i cant find any trad women at all
id get your spider it but would be unseemly for a man to go to a lady's shower unchaperoned
Haha. Well I'm out of luck unless the rubber duck steps up to the plate. :dwarf:
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
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Right now all I need is a man to come slay the gigantic, homicidal spider that is dwelling in my shower. I need to get ready. :cry: :cry: :cry:
was saying that i cant find any trad women at all
id get your spider it but would be unseemly for a man to go to a lady's shower unchaperoned
Haha. Well I'm out of luck unless the rubber duck steps up to the plate. :dwarf:
save water
shower with friend
not scandalous if spider is aslo in shower
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The major reason is that marriage is a low priority for most modern young women and their parents, including those who are called "trads"
Until they're desperate. That comes later.
Interesting. I don't really understand that. If you're raised traditional and know you'll marry and become a mother, what is prioritized above that? Develop a career you'll know you will have to leave? s it just that they've been so sheltered that they want to break loose? Like the Amish on Rumspringa?
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
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Right now all I need is a man to come slay the gigantic, homicidal spider that is dwelling in my shower. I need to get ready. :cry: :cry: :cry:
I'll defend you from the heathen horde!
:light-saber:
Uh... did you say spider?
Never mind.
:scared2:
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He must have gone down the drain. :smile:
Is it feminist conditioning that causes me to keep referring to the evil spider as a male?? :laugh1:
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I have a lot to learn. I figured all trad women would be open to homeschooling.
I know three homeschooling Trad mothers in the UK.
One of them is really into it and blogs about how fantastic it is. Many of the women who have read her blog and know that I know her ask me whether she is really as energetic and driven as she appears to be on her blog. The other two wives are pressured to do it by their Trad husbands and comply obediently, but they have both told my wife they think it is ridiculous and are worried that their children are going to grow up as misfits and are particularly worried about secondary education, maths, science. The father's don't do a great deal to help educate in either case.
There is a great divergence of opinion on it.
My children all go to the local state schools (non-Catholic) and I intend to keep it that way. Problems will arise and I will deal with them as they arise.
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My children all go to the local state schools (non-Catholic) and I intend to keep it that way. Problems will arise and I will deal with them as they arise.
If the choice is a state school vs a novus ordo school, I'd choose the state school.
Home schooling can sometimes suffer with the higher education stuff but people need to be honest with themselves - if you're not going to seek a career in the sciences or engineering or accounting than the higher maths are unnecessary.
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Ggreg those concerns are not uncommon even with mothers that want to homeschool.
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I've heard that some colleges really like home schooled kids. Honestly though, I wouldn't be overly focused on getting into college. If a child shows real interest in a career that requires a degree then tutoring or online courses can be utilized.
I like the idea of unschooling the littlest ones with the only structured component being early literacy. Then maybe around 7-8 explore a full curriculum.
I just hope I get the experience someday. My daughter may very well end up in NO or public school.
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I strongly advise you to never allow her to attend a public school. I'm not 100% sure but I believe it's forbidden too. You said earlier about trad mothers wanting to homeschool so why now are you considering putting your daughter in a public school?
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The fear that your home schooled child will be a misfit is really overblown. Misfits are largely born and would be picked on mercilessly in a public school environment in addition to getting a lousy education.
Novus ordo schools would be the worst. You're funding the novus ordo system and your kid is having his Catholicism bored out of him.
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Tiffany, I am not married. While I hope to marry before my daughter approachs school age, it is up to God. If it's not his will that I marry before that, then I will have no choice but to outsource her education because I will still have to work. :sad:
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There are many single homeschooling mothers. I still advise you not to put her in public school no matter what your marital status is.
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There are many single homeschooling mothers. I still advise you not to put her in public school no matter what your marital status is.
Well I will just have to pray that I will have a way to support us that doesn't require childcare,because otherwise I'm not sure how it would work. It is very important to me, so I'll guess I'll be optimistic.
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There are many single homeschooling mothers. I still advise you not to put her in public school no matter what your marital status is.
Many single mothers who homeschool?
How?
What income would they live on?
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Yes many.
How? There is a wide range of situations. Some work at home, or a mix of jobs that are part time away from home part time at home, work away from home and pay for childcare, some are supported by their church, some have money from their late husbands and/or social security, some have extended family to live with cheaper, some have subsidized housing, there are very different situations.
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2 thumbs down?
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Yes many.
How? There is a wide range of situations. Some work at home, or a mix of jobs that are part time away from home part time at home, work away from home and pay for childcare, some are supported by their church, some have money from their late husbands and/or social security, some have extended family to live with cheaper, some have subsidized housing, there are very different situations.
Well I won't get my hopes up that I can have an arrangement like that. It doesn't seem realistic. I refuse to live with either of my parents as they are both now engaged in cohabitation. My mother with her flavor of the month boyfriend, and my father with his "finance" and her son whom they allow to have his girlfriend spend the night. So unless they move back in with each other (in God's eyes they are still married!) I am on my own.
The truth is, the only realistic shot at being able to raise my daughter the way I would like (the way she, and every child deserves to be raised) is through marriage. That is just reality.
There is just absolutely no substitute for a loving father and husband. Yes, I have to do what I have to do in order to survive, but surviving is not going to mean thriving. I have no desire to run around trying to pretend I can provide everything a married mother can, because that will always be false. I am not ashamed to admit that women absolutely do need men. I don't care if the world thinks I am weak for thinking that way. It is the truth.
I robbed my daughter out of the life she deserves by giving myself to a man who clearly didn't love me or respect me. My blind stupidity believed words over action.
All I can do now is pray and try my best to live in way that is pleasing and obedient to God, and have faith that he will lead me to whatever he desires for us.
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PW I was not suggesting you live with your parents. I was replying to ggreg post of what I've seen as the how and listed the different situations I've seen.
Keeping your daughter out of public school is not about running around trying to provide everything a married mother can or saying you do not need a man to provide.
You seemed very adamant that trad mothers that should want to homeschool. You have childcare now that you have spoken about so you are familiar with using childcare. It seems contradictory that you would freely place her in a public school.
Unfortunately our children do suffer for our mistakes, but we have an obligation to protect them as much as we can. If it's not your choosing, that is different. For example if her father got a court order to visit her on the weekends and you knew she would be watching television at his home, there is not much you can do about that.
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I am sorry for giving the impression that I was "adamant" about trad women homeschooling.I am still learning and I was just a little surprised.
Of course it is my duty to do the best I can. Not a day goes by that I don't cry about these things. I am just not sure how I could realistically be able to fully support us in a way that I could avoid regular school. I can't imagine many daycare providers take school age children all day. If they made an exception (like a home provider) would she be any better off than in school?
If there are single moms who can do it, I am glad for them. I would guess some of them might utilize government aid to do so. Maybe it is wrong of me to think this way, but I just don't feel right asking for my life choices to be subsidized that way.
I will just have to trust in God on this one.
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I am sorry for giving the impression that I was "adamant" about trad women homeschooling.I am still learning and I was just a little surprised.
Of course it is my duty to do the best I can. Not a day goes by that I don't cry about these things. I am just not sure how I could realistically be able to fully support us in a way that I could avoid regular school. I can't imagine many daycare providers take school age children all day. If they made an exception (like a home provider) would she be any better off than in school?
If there are single moms who can do it, I am glad for them. I would guess some of them might utilize government aid to do so. Maybe it is wrong of me to think this way, but I just don't feel right asking for my life choices to be subsidized that way.
I will just have to trust in God on this one.
If your "life choices are not to be subsidized in that way" why is using a public school OK?
There is a huge difference between a public school and her being in a private home. Why did you think trad mothers would want to homeschool? Why do you want to marry a widower and homeschool his children?
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I am sorry for giving the impression that I was "adamant" about trad women homeschooling.I am still learning and I was just a little surprised.
Of course it is my duty to do the best I can. Not a day goes by that I don't cry about these things. I am just not sure how I could realistically be able to fully support us in a way that I could avoid regular school. I can't imagine many daycare providers take school age children all day. If they made an exception (like a home provider) would she be any better off than in school?
If there are single moms who can do it, I am glad for them. I would guess some of them might utilize government aid to do so. Maybe it is wrong of me to think this way, but I just don't feel right asking for my life choices to be subsidized that way.
I will just have to trust in God on this one.
If your "life choices are not to be subsidized in that way" why is using a public school OK?
There is a huge difference between a public school and her being in a private home. Why did you think trad mothers would want to homeschool? Why do you want to marry a widower and homeschool his children?
Forgive me for butting in, but PW has said a couple times that she will take this to prayer and desires to put her trust in God. He will surely lead her to do the right thing for herself and her child.
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Philomena she posted before she wanted to marry a widower and homeschool his children. Another time she was suprised all trad mothers do not want to homeschool. In the last post she doesn't see the difference between a child being in a public school versus a private home.
I did advise her twice in earlier posts not to use a public school. My last post I did not. I was trying to understand where she is coming wanting to homeschool possible step children or think all trad mothers would want to homeschool when a private home and public school is the same to her.
Secondly I was trying to understand the statement about her choices not being subsidized when she is also talking about public schools. Public school are given a great deal of money per child from public funds.
Also she responsed to my post answering ggreg's question. I am not out of line responding to that.
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If your "life choices are not to be subsidized in that way" why is using a public school OK?
There is a huge difference between a public school and her being in a private home. Why did you think trad mothers would want to homeschool? Why do you want to marry a widower and homeschool his children?
Tiffany,
I never said public schooling was "ok" I just said that I might not be able to avoid it. Public school is free for me while childcare is not. Not having the cost of daycare when my daughter is school age would free me to just work my day job and not be gone late nights too.
I am feeling a bit defensive now that you've brought up a comment I made on a different post. I only mentioned that maybe a widower would be ideal because maybe such a man wouldn't care as much that I'm not a virgin. If that was foolish of me to think, then please forgive me for being naive.
I know you don't agree with all my reasons why I thought I could be a benefit to a widower, and I read your reasons why I would instead be just a burden.
I guess I just don't understand what it is you are trying to get me to agree with or say. Do you think I should just throw my hands up and "embrace" single motherhood? Proclaim that I don't need a man when I feel like I do? I guess I am just not as strong as most unwed mothers are.
If it is God's will that I remain single, then I fine. Just because that is a possibility doesn't mean I can't pray about it and hope it isn't the case. I have a feeling inside that I am called to marriage, so I will focus on praying for that and having a little faith it will happen. I'm sorry but it just doesn't feel right to spend my time trying to figure out how we can "have it all" when I know that is a total myth of society.
When my daughter gets older I want her to see that her Mom struggled because of her choices. This is a better then seeing her look back and decide "Well who needs a man? My mom did everything married couples do!"
No, I don't like that she suffers. It kills me, but it is completely fantasy that all unwed mothers can stay home with their children and homeschool and have everything be fine. I am trying my best. I am not sure what you feel I should be doing differently.
P.S. Thank you, Philomena.
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...and yes, I did say that I think trad women should homeschool, because I assumed that was a default value. I am sorry for being naive.
I thought that it was obvious I was referring to married trad women, and not single trad women. If I was married, homeschooling would be absolute. I did not realize there was such a strong sector of unwed traditional catholic women who do all the traditional things absent of a man. I guess I am really ignorant about traditional families.
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Tiffany,
I never said public schooling was "ok" I just said that I might not be able to avoid it. Public school is free for me while childcare is not. Not having the cost of daycare when my daughter is school age would free me to just work my day job and not be gone late nights too.
I am feeling a bit defensive now that you've brought up a comment I made on a different post. I only mentioned that maybe a widower would be ideal because maybe such a man wouldn't care as much that I'm not a virgin. If that was foolish of me to think, then please forgive me for being naive.
I know you don't agree with all my reasons why I thought I could be a benefit to a widower, and I read your reasons why I would instead be just a burden.
I guess I just don't understand what it is you are trying to get me to agree with or say. Do you think I should just throw my hands up and "embrace" single motherhood? Proclaim that I don't need a man when I feel like I do? I guess I am just not as strong as most unwed mothers are.
If it is God's will that I remain single, then I fine. Just because that is a possibility doesn't mean I can't pray about it and hope it isn't the case. I have a feeling inside that I am called to marriage, so I will focus on praying for that and having a little faith it will happen. I'm sorry but it just doesn't feel right to spend my time trying to figure out how we can "have it all" when I know that is a total myth of society.
When my daughter gets older I want her to see that her Mom struggled because of her choices. This is a better then seeing her look back and decide "Well who needs a man? My mom did everything married couples do!"
No, I don't like that she suffers. It kills me, but it is completely fantasy that all unwed mothers can stay home with their children and homeschool and have everything be fine. I am trying my best. I am not sure what you feel I should be doing differently.
P.S. Thank you, Philomena.
I never said you would "just be a burden." I posted that I think you were romanticizing the idea of it some and not recognizing your own expenses. I also think you were not seeing the difficulties in removing step children from school and homeschooling them to write about it so lightly.
My intent was not to make you feel defensive. The ideas don't seem to be congruent so I asked. You don't see the difference between a public school and a private home. Why then do you want to homeschool possible step children or think other mothers should want to homeschool? I'm not trying to get you to agree with or say anything.
I advised you not to put her in public school to protect her from the dangers of public school. Like I said before I beleive this is Church teaching but I am not 100% sure. Public school is a danger no matter what their parents marital status is. I have said nothing about "having it all" in fact the opposite. I've shared in other threads with you my own struggle of being a poor, unmarried mother and the stress it is.
I don't understand the impression you think she will get if you keep her out of public school? You are her mother and care for her. Why is will this give her that impression and not other things you do to care for her?
I never said all unwed mothers can homeschool. All mothers can't homeschool married or single. I know many single mothers who do though.
Advising you to keep her out of public schools is not telling you to reject marriage or teach your daughter she does not need a husband and father.
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...and yes, I did say that I think trad women should homeschool, because I assumed that was a default value. I am sorry for being naive.
I thought that it was obvious I was referring to married trad women, and not single trad women. If I was married, homeschooling would be absolute. I did not realize there was such a strong sector of unwed traditional catholic women who do all the traditional things absent of a man. I guess I am really ignorant about traditional families.
PW I never said unwed women do all traditional things absent of a man. I have been very specific. My advice was not even to homeschool her, but to keep her out of public school.
I did not say you were naive. I am questioning why you thought most would want to homeschool when you don't see the difference for your daughter being in a public school versus being cared for in a private home.
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Philomena she posted before she wanted to marry a widower and homeschool his children. Another time she was suprised all trad mothers do not want to homeschool. In the last post she doesn't see the difference between a child being in a public school versus a private home.
I did advise her twice in earlier posts not to use a public school. My last post I did not. I was trying to understand where she is coming wanting to homeschool possible step children or think all trad mothers would want to homeschool when a private home and public school is the same to her.
Secondly I was trying to understand the statement about her choices not being subsidized when she is also talking about public schools. Public school are given a great deal of money per child from public funds.
Also she responsed to my post answering ggreg's question. I am not out of line responding to that.
But she has already several times admitted in humility that she is learning and feels a certain naivete. Growing in knowledge of the Faith, the virtues, and holiness is a life-long thing. We are all hopefully doing our best to attain Heaven, and we can help each other by gentle words of encouragement, vs. a harsh or confrontational badgering tone. I did not take her post to say she thinks homeschool and public schools are the same. I took her to mean she would prefer to homeschool, that is her ideal desire. Let us pray she can achieve this. However, she humbly stated it may not be possible and therefore would have to do what she is capable of doing. I think what she has been trying to say is her practical circuмstances may be what dictates these matters.
There is a Prayer request (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Prayers-please-9) where CathMomof7 is humbly begging our prayers, that she too is now being forced, through no fault of her own but by life circuмstances to work. A person would have to be blind not to see the anguish and sorrow in her post. It is the same with PW. So I ask, can we please show empathy and understanding. God bless.
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Philomena she posted before she wanted to marry a widower and homeschool his children. Another time she was suprised all trad mothers do not want to homeschool. In the last post she doesn't see the difference between a child being in a public school versus a private home.
I did advise her twice in earlier posts not to use a public school. My last post I did not. I was trying to understand where she is coming wanting to homeschool possible step children or think all trad mothers would want to homeschool when a private home and public school is the same to her.
Secondly I was trying to understand the statement about her choices not being subsidized when she is also talking about public schools. Public school are given a great deal of money per child from public funds.
Also she responsed to my post answering ggreg's question. I am not out of line responding to that.
But she has already several times admitted in humility that she is learning and feels a certain naivete. Growing in knowledge of the Faith, the virtues, and holiness is a life-long thing. We are all hopefully doing our best to attain Heaven, and we can help each other by gentle words of encouragement, vs. a harsh or confrontational badgering tone. I did not take her post to say she thinks homeschool and public schools are the same. I took her to mean she would prefer to homeschool, that is her ideal desire. Let us pray she can achieve this. However, she humbly stated it may not be possible and therefore would have to do what she is capable of doing. I think what she has been trying to say is her practical circuмstances may be what dictates these matters.
There is a Prayer request (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Prayers-please-9) where CathMomof7 is humbly begging our prayers, that she too is now being forced, through no fault of her own but by life circuмstances to work. A person would have to be blind not to see the anguish and sorrow in her post. It is the same with PW. So I ask, can we please show empathy and understanding. God bless.
Philomena,
She has also added many things into the discussion I have been responding to. Like homeschooling her daughter will give her child the impression that she does not need a man.
As far as them being the same, when discussing childcare providers she wrote this " If they made an exception (like a home provider) would she be any better off than in school?" That does not seem congruent with wanting to pull possible step children out of school and homeschool them or thinking all trad mothers want to homeschool. Why does she want to homeschool possible step children or think other mothers would want to homeschool?
I did advise her not to put her daughter in public school, which I believe is supported by Church teaching. Past that I have been asking her about her beliefs.
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The truth is, the only realistic shot at being able to raise my daughter the way I would like (the way she, and every child deserves to be raised) is through marriage. That is just reality.
There is just absolutely no substitute for a loving father and husband. Yes, I have to do what I have to do in order to survive, but surviving is not going to mean thriving. I have no desire to run around trying to pretend I can provide everything a married mother can, because that will always be false. I am not ashamed to admit that women absolutely do need men. I don't care if the world thinks I am weak for thinking that way. It is the truth.
I robbed my daughter out of the life she deserves by giving myself to a man who clearly didn't love me or respect me. My blind stupidity believed words over action.
All I can do now is pray and try my best to live in way that is pleasing and obedient to God, and have faith that he will lead me to whatever he desires for us.
I think this is a very good post.
Bishop Williamson in his London video interview (2010?) with Stephen Heiner mentioned a nice short prayer for women who're searching for a man. If I remember correctly it says:
St. Anne, St. Anne, find me a man...
And indeed the Saints (being God's helpers) help us. They'll guide you, too, PenitentWoman.
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Why they don't marry:
crass site/thread warning
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3452340.0.html
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Why they don't marry:
crass site/thread warning
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3452340.0.html
Hear, hear. I've had this happen a few times. A few years ago I was helping a young woman with catechism and she became infatuated with me. Because she knew my feelings regarding Catholic behavior and courtship, she accentuated herself to try to increase her appeal. It was some months later, after receiving no encouragement from me, that she finally made her attraction known, and it was far from innocent. I made it clear that I was appalled and disappointed, and that she was going to have to seek help with her education elsewhere.
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Tiffany, I can see that my comments about the widower scenario are frustrating you. Please understand, it was all hypothetical. I don't actually think I am just going to walk outside and bump into some great Trad man who happens to be a grieving widower with children and needs someone for good childcare and to manage the household.
You make it sound like I am out hunting for prey, when in reality it is just a girly fairy tale I came up with because it seemed ideal. Yes, I romanticize things. I'm sorry. In my mind I guess I was imagining a man who had preschool age children or children who had previously been homeschooled. None of it matters because it isn't real. I know better than to say such silly things now.
As to what I believe, yes, I believe homeschooling is the ideal (I thought that was obvious) and I hope and pray it will happen for my daughter. I am simply trying to be realistic (and not romanticize again) when I am saying that if I don't get married, it might not happen. I just do not see how it could, but maybe in time God will show me the way. I certainly have my eyes open to new jobs, moving, or whatever else might help me. I know that public school is bad. I went to NO school and it was bad. I never said it was the same as homeschooling. I just don't know if I would feel okay going on welfare so that I can avoid it. I don't know if I agree that utilizing public school (which is open to everyone) is the same thing as going on a program that I would only qualify for because I had a child out of wedlock and quit one of my jobs.
Telesphorus,
Wow. That is very strange. I can tell you that (at least outside the trad world) it does go both ways.
In my experience they would just stop talking to me if they knew how I wasn't going to give in or just want to be friends, or then finally in the case with daughter's father, play manipulative mind games because he couldn't accept having taking me out and getting "nothing" for it. Yes, it is still my fault for going out with him, but it stings a little to be treated like that by anyone. I pray for him and try to see Christ in him because I know something has to be terribly wrong that a man could show less compassion than a stranger for his child and her mother, even if he didn't love us.
Sigh.
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I am questioning why you thought most would want to homeschool when you don't see the difference for your daughter being in a public school versus being cared for in a private home.
Throw a little fuel on the conversation and tell us what you think the differences are.
If I were forced to find a place for my school-aged child during the day and my only two choices were a home-based daycare or public school, I'm not seeing the decision as being a "no-brainer". My brain right now is leaning toward public school being the better option although I've obviously only considered this for about five minutes. Tell us why you think the daycare is a better idea.
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I have no problem with public school really. Plus I doubt I could afford homeschooling for my children anyway. I say as long as parents make sure to teach their children to disregard the vile things that are taught there the child can make it. I went through public school all of my life and turned out okay,
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I have no problem with public school really. Plus I doubt I could afford homeschooling for my children anyway. I say as long as parents make sure to teach their children to disregard the vile things that are taught there the child can make it. I went through public school all of my life and turned out okay,
Was your family always traditional?
Did you participate in many extra curricular things like sports and school dances?
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Was your family always traditional?
Did you participate in many extra curricular things like sports and school dances?
My family is Protestant. I'm the only Traditional Catholic.
Yes I played sports like basketball and baseball and went to junior and senior prom. I kinda miss playing sports actually. I barely get the time anymore. Of course I did plenty of stupid, bad teenage stuff as well.
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Was your family always traditional?
Did you participate in many extra curricular things like sports and school dances?
My family is Protestant. I'm the only Traditional Catholic.
Yes I played sports like basketball and baseball and went to junior and senior prom. I kinda miss playing sports actually. I barely get the time anymore. Of course I did plenty of stupid, bad teenage stuff as well.
I think that is the biggest fear with public/NO school. All the stupid, bad teenage stuff.
I stayed out of trouble in high school, but the exposure was there. It probably desensitized me to a lot of behaviors. College was much worse though.
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I think that is the biggest fear with public/NO school. All the stupid, bad teenage stuff.
I stayed out of trouble in high school, but the exposure was there. It probably desensitized me to a lot of behaviors. College was much worse though.
Well see that's one of my major disagreements with Traditional Catholics on here. You can't just hide in a hole away from society and put your head in books all day. Catholics in the 40's and 50's were part of American scoiety before Vatican II (and also did stupid stuff as well I might add) but you know sure there was exposure like sex and drugs but you know at the end of the day you can't blame the kids who give into peer pressure for that but the schools and what they teach.
Despite all of my stupidity I turned out very far-right anyway. :cool:
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Well see that's one of my major disagreements with Traditional Catholics on here. You can't just hide in a hole away from society and put your head in books all day. Catholics in the 40's and 50's were part of American scoiety before Vatican II (and also did stupid stuff as well I might add) but you know sure there was exposure like sex and drugs but you know at the end of the day you can't blame the kids who give into peer pressure for that but the schools and what they teach.
Despite all of my stupidity I turned out very far-right anyway. :cool:
I haven't figured out how I've "turned out" yet.
I just know I'm here.
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I have no problem with public school really. Plus I doubt I could afford homeschooling for my children anyway. I say as long as parents make sure to teach their children to disregard the vile things that are taught there the child can make it. I went through public school all of my life and turned out okay,
Church teaching aside, why would you want to expose your (or any child) child to the values clarification, immorality, anti-family teaching that they are exposed to in public school? They cannot just disregard the vile things when they can't call out right from wrong because they have been exposed to values clarification for 6 hours a day for 12 years. The vile things are part of the curriculum and even the way things are taught can be intended to confuse or glorify man instead of God.
What about homeschooling do you think you can't afford?
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I don't know how I keep missing these things but there is an sspx school not to terribly far from where I am, and another one that is a few hours away but in area with more job opportunities. It looks expensive but maybe there is a scholarship opportunity.
If marriage doesn't happen for me, I'd like my daughter to go to one of these schools.
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I don't know how I keep missing these missing these things, but there is an sspx school not to terribly far from where I am, and another one that is a few hours away but in area with more job opportunities. It looks expensive but maybe there is a scholarship opportunity.
If marriage doesn't happen for me, I'd like my daughter to go to one of these schools.
This is wonderful news, PW! We know God will open the door even if only a wee crack to let in one little ray of sunlight. It never stops amazing me how He remains ever Faithful to those who love and serve Him. He is going to show you the way yet, just you keep watch and see. Stay positive and keep praying. He will surely reward you a hundred-fold. Remember, God cannot be outdone in generosity... Glory to Him forever! Continued prayers for your intentions.
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I think that is the biggest fear with public/NO school. All the stupid, bad teenage stuff.
I stayed out of trouble in high school, but the exposure was there. It probably desensitized me to a lot of behaviors. College was much worse though.
Well see that's one of my major disagreements with Traditional Catholics on here. You can't just hide in a hole away from society and put your head in books all day. Catholics in the 40's and 50's were part of American scoiety before Vatican II (and also did stupid stuff as well I might add) but you know sure there was exposure like sex and drugs but you know at the end of the day you can't blame the kids who give into peer pressure for that but the schools and what they teach.
Despite all of my stupidity I turned out very far-right anyway. :cool:
Perhaps a little too far right? That could be part of the cautionary tale ... kids may not accept what they were taught but could be pushed to other reactionary extremes.
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Perhaps a little too far right? That could be part of the cautionary tale ... kids may not accept what they were taught but could be pushed to other reactionary extremes.
Or maybe they understand how evil the world is instead of hankering after it.
And they recognize the bill of goods liberal trads want to sell in order to advance their personal interests even though it is subversive of traditional values.
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Perhaps a little too far right? That could be part of the cautionary tale ... kids may not accept what they were taught but could be pushed to other reactionary extremes.
This is the kind of comment I've gotten a lot lately. I'm being "extreme" by wearing skirts. I'm taking my conversion "too far."
Later tonight I'll try and share the link for this nice little artwork my "best" friend sent me making fun of women who dress modestly.
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I don't know how I keep missing these missing these things, but there is an sspx school not to terribly far from where I am, and another one that is a few hours away but in area with more job opportunities. It looks expensive but maybe there is a scholarship opportunity.
If marriage doesn't happen for me, I'd like my daughter to go to one of these schools.
This is wonderful news, PW! We know God will open the door even if only a wee crack to let in one little ray of sunlight. It never stops amazing me how He remains ever Faithful to those who love and serve Him. He is going to show you the way yet, just you keep watch and see. Stay positive and keep praying. He will surely reward you a hundred-fold. Remember, God cannot be outdone in generosity... Glory to Him forever! Continued prayers for your intentions.
Thank you Philomena! :-) I'm excited for whatever is in store for me.
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Oh here it is. From an NO blogger. Scroll down to the "pants pass"
http://simchafisher.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/pants-pass/
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Perhaps a little too far right? That could be part of the cautionary tale ... kids may not accept what they were taught but could be pushed to other reactionary extremes.
Considering even many Traditional Catholics are very liberal I don't see anything wrong with being, how do you say it, right-wing.
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Or maybe they understand how evil the world is instead of hankering after it.
And they recognize the bill of goods liberal trads want to sell in order to advance their personal interests even though it is subversive of traditional values.
It is funny that these women seem to believe that as long as you can get a child past high school there will be no more sinful things they are exposed to and will turn out okay. :laugh2:
It shows an elitism to me that many Traditional Catholics look down on those who went to public schools. But you know most Trads are more well to do in the middle or upper middle class...
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Oh here it is. From an NO blogger. Scroll down to the "pants pass"
http://simchafisher.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/pants-pass/
Geez what an obnoxious hag. Women should not dress like men, bottom line. If you know anything about feminism Jєωιѕн women started the movement and it originally came from the Jєωιѕн and Marxist Frankfurt School.
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Oh here it is. From an NO blogger. Scroll down to the "pants pass"
http://simchafisher.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/pants-pass/
Geez what an obnoxious hag. Women should not dress like men, bottom line. If you know anything about feminism Jєωιѕн women started the movement and it originally came
from the Jєωιѕн and Marxist Frankfurt School.
I like skirts. My manager is fine with me breaking dress code to wear long skirts so I have reason to wear pants anymore. BFF told me tonight (at my place of employment) that if I marry a man who won't "let" me wear pants, she will not be part of my wedding. 17 years of friendship ending over pants. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.
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Should say "have no reason."
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I like skirts. My manager is fine with me breaking dress code to wear long skirts so I have reason to wear pants anymore. BFF told me tonight (at my place of employment) that if I marry a man who won't "let" me wear pants, she will not be part of my wedding. 17 years of friendship ending over pants. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Hang in there, PW. Despite your friend's jumping the gun on what your yet-to-have-met husband will or won't "let" you do, it does remind me that it is good that you're making these outward changes now while you don't have any men in your life that could be accused of influencing your behavior. Despite what she says, it is obvious that these things have to do with YOU alone and the decisions YOU are making. I'm sure she realizes that despite her initial frustration.
As crazy as it sounds, in her eyes, it's you that is ending your long friendship by becoming someone that she thinks she could never be friends with. Continue to be the friend you've always been within the bounds of Catholic standards and let her decide whether or not she can continue to be your friend.
ADD: If this friend is in any way an outright BAD influence -- presuring you to do things you shouldn't, etc -- it's a good idea to distance yourself.
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I like skirts. My manager is fine with me breaking dress code to wear long skirts so I have reason to wear pants anymore. BFF told me tonight (at my place of employment) that if I marry a man who won't "let" me wear pants, she will not be part of my wedding. 17 years of friendship ending over pants. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Hang in there, PW. Despite your friend's jumping the gun on what your yet-to-have-met husband will or won't "let" you do, it does remind me that it is good that you're making these outward changes now while you don't have any men in your life that could be accused of influencing your behavior. Despite what she says, it is obvious that these things have to do with YOU alone and the decisions YOU are making. I'm sure she realizes that despite her initial frustration.
As crazy as it sounds, in her eyes, it's you that is ending your long friendship by becoming someone that she thinks she could never be friends with. Continue to be the friend you've always been within the bounds of Catholic standards and let her decide whether or not she can continue to be your friend.
ADD: If this friend is in any way an outright BAD influence -- presuring you to do things you shouldn't, etc -- it's a good idea to distance yourself.
Thank you. You have a very nice way with words.
I think my friend maybe means well, but she doesn't understand why I've changed. She is afraid I'm going to end up in an abusive situation which is not true. She doesn't accept what I'd want for my life because it is foreign to her. Submission etc. is abuse to her. Like me, she wasn't really even aware of traditional Catholicism. To her, just accepting Novus Ordo "rules" is difficult.
I'll keep praying for her.
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Perhaps a little too far right? That could be part of the cautionary tale ... kids may not accept what they were taught but could be pushed to other reactionary extremes.
This is the kind of comment I've gotten a lot lately. I'm being "extreme" by wearing skirts. I'm taking my conversion "too far."
Later tonight I'll try and share the link for this nice little artwork my "best" friend sent me making fun of women who dress modestly.
No worries, I am a skirt wearer too. That wasn't about you, it was about tradguy's political leanings. Even public school can't be discussed in terms of Faith or spirituality, it gets reduced to left or right wing talk. That's what I was refering to as an extreme that may not be any better than its counterpart.
Also, I agree that blog was horribly obnoxious.
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Considering even many Traditional Catholics are very liberal I don't see anything wrong with being, how do you say it, right-wing.
"Taking it to extremes" this vague formula without any principle at all is used to attack authentic Catholics by liberalizers.
There are cases of extremes. But if you want to talk about extremes, you need to be specific and cite authorities. You can't just vaguely complain about "extremists" (when in reality it's a complaint about Catholic authorities you don't approve of)
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"Taking it to extremes" this vague formula without any principle at all is used to attack authentic Catholics by liberalizers.
There are cases of extremes. But if you want to talk about extremes, you need to be specific and cite authorities. You can't just vaguely complain about "extremists" (when in reality it's a complaint about Catholic authorities you don't approve of)
Nonsense my fellow Catholic. We see many Traditional Catholics buying into the feminist ideology, which is very liberal. We see many Traditional Catholics who don't seem to think race matters. which is again very liberal. And I've also seen a few philo-Semites on this forum, which is again shown to show some misplaced sympathy.
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No worries, I am a skirt wearer too. That wasn't about you, it was about tradguy's political leanings. Even public school can't be discussed in terms of Faith or spirituality, it gets reduced to left or right wing talk. That's what I was refering to as an extreme that may not be any better than its counterpart.
Also, I agree that blog was horribly obnoxious.
Of course. I am against left-wing movements.