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Black Friday insanity
« on: November 22, 2012, 06:02:00 PM »
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  • This is why everyone should have to work on the Day After Thanksgiving.
    If this is how you use your "rebuild and re-create" time, you aren't in much need of recreation.

    Meanwhile, Our Lord sits alone in tabernacles throughout the world...


    (CNN) -- News footage of Black Friday sales, in which shoppers line up after Thanksgiving in search of steeply reduced merchandise, can resemble an episode of the classic nature show "Wild Kingdom."
    Shoppers wind neatly along the edges of big box stores like patiently waiting army ants. As doors open, sleep-deprived bargain hunters leap past one another like spawning salmon flinging themselves upstream. At close of business we see bare, dangling store shelves, reminiscent of the gnawed carcasses left behind by a pride of lions.
    To those who don't participate, Black Friday may seem like madness, an exercise in chaos to be avoided at all costs. But for the initiated, the country's biggest shopping day is something more: a jump start on Christmas shopping and even a ritual worth preserving.
    It's impossible not to marvel at the spectacle. CNN.com readers shared their own dramatic stories about the annual event in the comments section of a recent article.
     Deal seekers set up Black Friday camp Shopping on Thanksgiving Day? When Black Friday goes bad
    "At about 10 p.m. Thanksgiving 2011, someone sat their Grandma at a bin in the aisle at Walmart with her hand on a DVD discounted from $19 to $5 until the clock struck midnight to make sure she got it," reader Mark Nelson remembered.
    "People started disregarding the etiquette and just stashing items in their jackets instead of leaving them in the shrink-wrapped displays. People were shoving and screaming at each other," he wrote. "A woman was brought to the front and kicked out for bringing a firearm into the store and brandishing it at a rival shopper. It was the grandma hoping to score the $5 DVD."
    Black Friday: Shorter lines, but bigger checks
    So what's the draw of risking life and limb for discounted DVDs?
    "It feels like some kind of communal shopping experience, something we're all in together," said Brian Ginn, a friend of mine from college who has been braving the Black Friday crowds for a decade.
    He usually only makes four or five purchases on Black Friday, spending around $400. It's worth the effort, he said, to "soak up the mad capitalist consumer energy of Black Friday!"
    "It's pretty exciting to see people shopping like crazy," Ginn said, "even if my enthusiasm gets dampened by the long lines and occasional surly shopper."
    For some, the retail spree is a family tradition.
    "I started Black Friday shopping with my Dad," Ginn said. At first, they shopped for equipment and supplies for Brian's IT consulting business because of 40% to 50% savings. That was 10 years ago. Now 41 and a father, Ginn's Black Friday shopping strategy has branched out to include deals on toys for his son.
    This year's Black Friday will be a lot different, he said, since his father passed away in March. "I'll definitely have breakfast at the Waffle House when I'm done, which is what we always did," he said.
    Jessica Collier, 31, also shops on Black Friday because of family tradition.
    "The first memory I have of Black Friday shopping is from when I was about 6 or 7 years old," she said. " My mom, grandma and I went to a large department store in Florida. I have been every year since then." This year, her husband will join in the tradition, but the couple's daughter still has a few years to go before she can drink coffee and stay up all night for long lines and "doorbusters."
    Now that Collier and her mother live in different states, they can't always shop together. "I always call her when I'm headed out," she said. "I've become her wake-up call, usually around 2 a.m."
    For Lori Elmore, a health policy analyst for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Black Friday isn't about family, but about the thrill of the bargain hunt. "I tried to make it a family tradition," she said, "but my family members dropped out after one time. They couldn't hang with me, they didn't have the stamina."
    These Black Friday veterans acknowledge that some of their fellow shoppers turn into ruthless retail competitors mere hours after giving thanks during a dinner of turkey and pumpkin pie. "I've been hit with a shopping cart, had people take things out of my cart, had people start fighting in line, had someone take something out of my hands before," Collier said. But often, the shopping means meeting new people, comparing lists and having fun.
    "My experience has been that most people are helpful, patient and excited," Ginn said. "That may be particular to the South, but I don't think so."
    Collier and her mother even charmed a particularly long line into singing Christmas carols last year.
    "My mom found one of those weird singing Christmas tree tats and wore it in line," she said. "The tree lit up and danced while she sang at the top of her lungs. Of course, that story preceded us to the next store on our list, where total strangers were talking about it."
    HLN: Confessions of a Black Friday shopaholic
    "I have learned over the years that you need to pack your patience and a sense of humor," when headed out on a Black Friday shopping trip, Elmore said. "If you don't have either, you are in for a miserable experience."
    Impatience can result in stampedes or fights, which retailers are taking steps to avoid this year. WalMart, for example, is offering Guarantee Cards, which allow shoppers to get iPads, LCD TVs and Blu-ray players at Black Friday prices before they get their hands on the items. Shoppers will get the items before Christmas, so sellouts are theoretically no longer a reason for crowds to lose their cool.
    The U.S. Department of Labor's OSHA group has issued Black Friday safety guidelines for retailers to avoid injury during the start of the holiday shopping season. And stores across the country are working with local law enforcement help to keep crowds safe and shopping.
    The National Retail Federation estimates 147 million people will venture out this Friday, Saturday and Sunday to take advantage of holiday sales. President Matthew Shay said in a recent press release, "Though the Black Friday tradition is here to stay, there's no question that it has changed in recent years." No longer do shoppers wait to find out Black Friday promotions in the Thanksgiving Day morning paper, he said. Now companies provide information through social media, mobile apps and specialized websites.
    Collier usually begins watching for Black Friday information online in mid-October. Blackfriday.com is a favorite of hers -- the site offers Black Friday ads and cash back on certain purchases -- but she won't forgo in-store shopping for online Cyber Monday deals. She prefers the in-person rush.
    A few years ago, with a large outlet mall as her target, Collier and her mother could not find a parking spot at 10 p.m. on Thanksgiving night. So they drove out of the parking lot and found a hotel parking lot behind the mall where they could leave their car.
    "The mall was at the top of a hill, so we started hiking, literally," Collier said. At the top of the hill, they were suddenly faced with the town's drainage ditch. In order to make it to the Coach store, which was offering everything at 50% off, "we had to climb down the drainage wall and back up the other side," she said. "We laughed our way through our desperation and got to the mall."
    And at 5 a.m., loaded down with bags full of Black Friday loot, she and her mother climbed back up the stone drainage wall on hands and knees.
    Anything for a bargain.
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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 08:28:49 PM »
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  • Why I Won't be Out Shopping on Black Friday

    http://moneysavingmom.com/2012/11/why-i-wont-be-out-shopping-on-black-friday.html

    I don’t go out shopping on Black Friday.

    I know, I know. That statement might sound a bit antithetic to my usually frugal, money-saving ways, but it’s true.

    Here’s why: The Black Friday deals online are usually just as good, or even better, than the in-store deals.

    Yes, seriously. And I’ve proven this theory throughout the past few years by meticulously comparing the prices online versus the prices in-store. In almost every case, the online prices were better than the in-store prices.

    Plus, you don’t have to wait out in the cold for three hours, and you can avoid all the stampeding and shoving crowds at the stores. Instead, you can get up a little early on Friday morning, sit in your PJ’s, sip your cup of coffee, and browse online.

    There are other perks to shopping online for Black Friday… click on over to CrossWalk to read four reasons why I shop online on Black Friday.

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    If you’re planning to shop online, be sure to join us here on MoneySavingMom.com where we’ll be having a “Black Friday Party” all day long, starting at 6 a.m. EST.

    My brother, Nathaniel, is off work tomorrow and he loves scouting out online deals so he’s going to come over and hang out with me and help me live-blog all the best online Black Friday deals all day long.

    Plus, Amy has lined up some fabulous giveaways you won’t want to miss. Trust me on that one. Even if you don’t plan to spend a penny, you’ll want to show up to enter the giveaways!
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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 09:08:04 PM »
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  • Walmart was advertising that Black Friday at their stores will begin
    at 8PM Thanksgiving evening.
    Tomorrow, we will read and see all the crazy stuff that goes on
    year after year such as people getting trampled to death in the
    store aisles, and fist fights over cheap junk from China.
    I am staying from anything that looks like a store all day
    tomorrow.

    Offline Tiffany

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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 04:10:37 AM »
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  • I'm not much of a shopper except for the grocery store or thrift store but not all deals are online.  The drug stores usually have free or nearly free stuff that you can't get online. Two years ago I bought about $60 worth of stuff for $3 at CVS and all were things the men's shelter needed.  I have not looked this year, but in years past they had a much higher number of things that gave a total credit for Extra Care Bucks on Black Friday. I went at 1 pm, there were no crowds or lines and plenty of places to park. I'm against people being rude & but there is nothing wrong with bargain hunting! I don't like it that stores open so early, retail folks can't really enjoy Thanksgiving if they have to be at work at 4am. :( I think 10am should be the earliest they open just out of consideration so the folks working today.

    Not to be hypocrite I did order some fleece online yesterday and 2 skeins of yarn today, I guess that is making the folks picking orders at the warehouse work this weekend. :(


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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 10:02:13 AM »
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  • I remember when I went with my mother as a child it was 90% women who got up early and shopped.  Well last night it was equally split, men and women.

    I bought lots of coffee and some new cookie sheets, and I think I lost my sanity.  People are crazy.

    The worst is all the people who bring children out into the mess. What a traumatic childhood memory.  :facepalm:
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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 05:10:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
    I remember when I went with my mother as a child it was 90% women who got up early and shopped.  Well last night it was equally split, men and women.

    I bought lots of coffee and some new cookie sheets, and I think I lost my sanity.  People are crazy.

    The worst is all the people who bring children out into the mess. What a traumatic childhood memory.  :facepalm:
    It still is 90% women who go shopping on BF..........of both sexes.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 23, 2012, 05:14:10 PM »
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  • Who in their right mind would even enter a store and deal with that maddness?

    You know why they go? Because they're told to go.

    Americans are such sheeple.

    Just follow the herd.

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    Black Friday insanity
    « Reply #7 on: November 23, 2012, 05:35:43 PM »
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    Americans are such sheeple.

    Just follow the herd.


    The Jєωs love a rickety herd they are able to subjugate and not a healthy people.

    Look at all of these people just rushing in to take part of the Jєωιѕн consumerism.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 05:41:50 PM »
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  • They don't call it "Black Friday" for nothing.  :rolleyes:


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    « Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 05:45:43 PM »
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    « Reply #10 on: November 24, 2012, 09:56:43 AM »
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    Who in their right mind would even enter a store and deal with that maddness?

    You know why they go? Because they're told to go.

    Americans are such sheeple.

    Just follow the herd.


    Oh well, I wasn't in my right mind. Peer pressure to take part because "you've been coming with us since you were little!" and "Grandma will watch the baby, just let her enjoy her great-grandchild!" was more than I could withstand. I'm a wimp.  

    I'm glad to know you still think it's mostly "women" who shop on Black Friday. If all those guys are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs then I don't have to feel so guilty that in my "too much time with relatives" induced delirium, I made the decision to wear pants in public for the first time in months. That was wrong, but maybe it was a subconscious attempt to avoid the embarrassment of being a traditionally minded, long skirt wearing woman caught up in Black Friday craziness.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 24, 2012, 10:38:31 AM »
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    They don't call it "Black Friday" for nothing.  :rolleyes:



    I seriously questioned what country this took place in. This took place in America? I didn't know America was located in Africa.

    It was also very bizarre. I mean, a few bins of WATERMELONS right there by the door? Did they put them there as decoys so more valuable merchandise wouldn't be stolen? Did they know they were coming? etc.

    (I'm sure everyone is familiar with the stereotype that black people like their watermelon. Once again, a stereotype based on fact. Maybe it's a southern thing. My white, native Texan mother-in-law likes wearing clothes with lots of color, and she likes fried chicken and watermelon)
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    « Reply #12 on: November 24, 2012, 11:03:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: PenitentWoman
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    Who in their right mind would even enter a store and deal with that maddness?

    You know why they go? Because they're told to go.

    Americans are such sheeple.

    Just follow the herd.


    Oh well, I wasn't in my right mind. Peer pressure to take part because "you've been coming with us since you were little!" and "Grandma will watch the baby, just let her enjoy her great-grandchild!" was more than I could withstand. I'm a wimp.  

    I'm glad to know you still think it's mostly "women" who shop on Black Friday. If all those guys are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs then I don't have to feel so guilty that in my "too much time with relatives" induced delirium, I made the decision to wear pants in public for the first time in months. That was wrong, but maybe it was a subconscious attempt to avoid the embarrassment of being a traditionally minded, long skirt wearing woman caught up in Black Friday craziness.


    I said "women" of both sexes.

    The two-legged, featherless, male bipeds out there taking part in that insanity do not deserve the right to be called men. Not in the classic sense at least.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 24, 2012, 11:09:48 AM »
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    They don't call it "Black Friday" for nothing.  :rolleyes:



    I seriously questioned what country this took place in. This took place in America? I didn't know America was located in Africa.

    It was also very bizarre. I mean, a few bins of WATERMELONS right there by the door? Did they put them there as decoys so more valuable merchandise wouldn't be stolen? Did they know they were coming? etc.

    (I'm sure everyone is familiar with the stereotype that black people like their watermelon. Once again, a stereotype based on fact. Maybe it's a southern thing. My white, native Texan mother-in-law likes wearing clothes with lots of color, and she likes fried chicken and watermelon)
    As they bad as they can be, blacks certainly don't hold a monopoly on savagery on black friday.

    I look at stuff like this and wonder really. how long does a culture like this deserve to last?


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    « Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 02:25:26 PM »
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    The U.S. Department of Labor's OSHA group has issued Black Friday safety guidelines for retailers to avoid injury during the start of the holiday shopping season. And stores across the country are working with local law enforcement help to keep crowds safe and shopping.



    Now there's government intervention at its finest.  OSHA to the rescue!  

    They'd be the ones who can take a thriving industry and turn it into a wholesale
    opportunity to institute reams of regulations to burden employers.  

    I wonder if they have a detail to cope with how to train a store employee to respond
    when a shopper uses pepper spray or mace to plough her way through a crowd
    and thus snatch control of the one object of her insatiable desires?  


    I heard one report on the radio Thursday that warned shoppers not to buy any
    toys on Black Friday.  The reason was, that some retailers had been found who
    were planning on using the surge of customer zeal as if it were an increase in
    demand, and therefore, they're raising their prices on items they're sure will sell
    anyway, almost regardless of price.  And the reason (why not to buy toys on
    Black Friday) was, that these same toys will be ON SALE in two weeks, when
    Christmas is getting all too close - when the stocks of these toys are not
    depleting fast enough.  

    Retailers have to order in advance, and they don't want to be the one who runs
    out of stock before the Holiday, nor, do they want to be the one with stock left
    over the day after, and have to resort to the dreaded "after-Christmas sales."

    I have an idea:  We ought to celebrate Boxing Day here in America.  In England,
    that comes from the tradition whereby the domestic servants who have to work
    on Christmas and therefore do not have any Christmas of their own on that day,
    are given the day AFTER Christmas ("...On the Feast of Stephen...") off work,
    so they can have their own holiday at home.  The "boxing" comes from the fact
    that the wealthy families would 'box up' gifts for their servants to take home
    that day, December 26th.

    But here in America, it would mean that everyone who has Christmas a day late
    would be able to pick up much better bargains than Black Friday shoppers, so long
    as the recipients don't mind getting their presents in the afternoon!!  HAHAHAHA


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