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Bitter cohabiter rants via article
« on: September 25, 2010, 12:07:06 AM »
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  • This was from CNN's "living" section --

    By Jessica Wakeman

    Here is a list of people who really, really, really want to see me engaged:

        * Me. (Obviously.)
        * My boyfriend, who is saving money for an engagement ring. (Although you probably know more about that than I do.)
        * My mother. (Who, every time she sees him, badgers offers to help him pick the aforementioned ring out.)
        * A Roman Catholic priest whom I was seated next to at my girl friend’s wedding this weekend.

    Now. Guess which person made me burst into tears on Saturday night, snatch my purse, and storm off in a blind rage?

    My mama raised me right: When I was seated next to a stranger at my girl friend’s wedding, I was polite as could be. We clinked champagne glasses during the toast. We told each other “bon appetit” when each course of the incredible Italian dinner appeared. We chatted about each other’s travels in Europe. Father D. just so happened to be a priest, too — a worldly, well-educated, interesting one at that.

    Every half hour or so, my dining companion and I were interrupted. Whenever the waiters set down a primo piatti or a palette-cleansing sorbet at the empty seat beside me, I piped up, “I’m sorry, that seat is vacant. My date couldn’t make it.” Finally, Father D. asked, “Where’s your date?”

    My boyfriend had a last-minute business trip to San Francisco, I told him.

    “Where does he live?” Father D. inquired.

    “We live together in New Jersey,” I answered.

    Pause.

    What happened next, I am still struggling to wrap my brain around.

    “Are you planning to get married?” he asked.

    “We are,” I said. “I know he’s saving money to buy a ring. He’s started his own company, though, so it may not be for awhile.”

    “You’ve got to get that commitment from him,” Father D. told me.

    “We have a commitment,” I said. “We’ve known each other is ‘the one’ pretty much since we met. We’re absolutely committed to being together and having kids.”

    He shook his head. “Not like a ring is a commitment. A ring means something: it means the man is serious.”

    Oh, if only Amelia could have popped up from underneath Table 5 to explain that an engagement ring doesn’t necessarily mean wedding bells or happily-ever-after. “I’m sure I’m getting a ring,” I told Father D. “I know he wants to buy one, but I also know he doesn’t have the money right now to get one. I don’t think the ring really matters. We have an emotional commitment to each other.”

    “When you have a ring, you’ll know,” Father D. said.

    “I do know.” God, I wanted to scream at him. “Do you really think purchasing a ring actually means something? A $10,000 ring means he’s serious about me? What if he buys a $500 ring at a vintage shop? Does that still mean he’s not really making a commitment because he hasn’t put a huge financial investment into it?”

    “It’s not about the price of the ring,” the priest went on. “Men really need to make that commitment. It symbolizes something. Remember, men are the accelerator and women are the brakes.”

    I’m not stupid. I can read between the lines of what men are the accelerator and women are the brakes means. “Are you saying this because we’re living together and we’re unmarried?” I asked, thinking to myself, And having sex?

    “I think you need to watch out for yourself,” he said.

    “I am in love and I am living with someone who is in love with me, too. We’ve told each other we are committed to each other and that’s what matters. If you say the price of the ring is not important, why does the ring matter at all?” I hissed. “It doesn’t. It’s just a gift. We are going to get married, but I don’t need a piece of Jєωelry to validate my relationship with him.”

    “I’ve seen girls like you before,” he told me. “A few years go by and there’s still no engagement and then they’re left asking themselves what happened.”

    That was it. “With all due respect, you don’t know me,” I glowered. “You don’t know anything about me, or about us. You’re just stereotyping me and you’re stereotyping a person you’ve never even met.” I stood up abruptly and grabbed my purse off my boyfriend’s empty seat. “I can’t have this conversation with you anymore,” I told him, and stalked off.

    Hot tears pricked my eyes as I headed to a table of liquors laid out (Best. Idea. Ever.) and poured myself a must-needed shot. I hovered over the desserts, stabbed at Italian pastries with my fork. I was livid.

    The fire in my belly died after a good night’s sleep, but there is still a bitter rock of anger wedged in. How dare someone tell me what a commitment is? How dare someone suggest my boyfriend’s word—and my word—is worth nothing without a ring? How dare someone tell me my relationship and my love are not valid enough until we buy into some symbol that society tells us we need (which, I might add, we are already planning on buying into anyway)?

    In the hours that the reception continued, I kicked off my five-and-a-half inch heels to do the twist and I hooted as the groom groped around for my friend’s garter. But my head wasn’t there. My sweet David was in my mind, three thousand miles away in California and ignorant to the fact that his commitment to me and my commitment to him are apparently not “real.” My best friend was in my head, as was her lesbian relationship with a girlfriend whom she cannot legally marry in most states in America because of pure bigotry. How dare anyone imply our love means nothing unless we do what you tell us to do?

    What kills me is that I could see at this wedding the way people acted around Father D. He is considered a trusted member in this community. But he apparently looked at my empty ring finger and believed he knew all there was to know about me. I can’t honestly say that I think Father D. meant no harm, because I don’t think anyone would say those things — cast those judgments — on a complete stranger unless they were trying to get a reaction.

    Sometimes being a crazy bitch who gets fixated on things is frustrating. But you know what? This time I intend to use my forces of cray-cray to teach someone a lesson. Father D., 20-some-odd years from now, you will be getting an envelope from me. It will have a photo of me and the man I love, as many children as we are blessed with, and as many cats we can own without attracting the attention of the Health Department. And there will be a letter from me that says: “I told you so.”
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    « Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 12:09:54 AM »
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  • Here is Jessica Wakeman's profile:

    Occupation: blogger, The Frisky

    Relationship Status: Crazy in love

    Orientation: straightish

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    « Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 12:32:28 AM »
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    By Jessica Wakeman

     Father D., 20-some-odd years from now, you will be getting an envelope from me. It will have a photo of me and the man I love, as many children as we are blessed with....And there will be a letter from me that says: “I told you so.”



    "as many children as we are blessed with" ??

    IF they ever get married and IF they have children, it will likely be a matter of having as many as they decide to "bless" themselves with.

    As far as her story about the priest goes; any real priest worth his salt would have said nothing if it was not appropriate at the time, or if it was appropriate to discuss matters he would have said what really needed to be said about living in sin, rather than focusing on the ring and possibility of no marriage eventuating.


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    « Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 10:45:20 AM »
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    As far as her story about the priest goes; any real priest worth his salt would have said nothing if it was not appropriate at the time, or if it was appropriate to discuss matters he would have said what really needed to be said about living in sin, rather than focusing on the ring and possibility of no marriage eventuating.



    Im glad the priest at least said something. Im assuming this was a NO priest. I mean, how many will actually admonish a stranger like they are supposed to? I think what the priest told this woman was well calculated. We've seen how she reacted to his light warning, can you imagine how she would have reacted to him telling her that she was in mortal sin and was going to hell and that she needs to obey the laws of God? I see he instead tried to plant some healthy doubt into this girls mind as to the seriousness of her man, which would be a more convincing persuasion to effect a breakup of the concubinage.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 11:03:04 PM »
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  • I get what you are saying. But the cleric could have done his duty and performed a spiritual work of mercy.

    Her reaction could not have been much worse.

    In fact if the cleric objected to the concubinage it very well might have made much more sense to her, even if she disagreed with his stance. She would  have clearly realised that the cleric's objection was about the concubinage, not about the issue of the ring and the commitment to marry.

    After all if she had a ring and a solid commitment of marriage, the real problem of the concubinge remains.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »
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  • It seems to me that the priest made a tactical error in dealing with this woman.  As has been said, the focus on the attainment of the ring became the focus of the disagreement and is not really the point at all.  It may be that the priest thought he'd try to deal on a more superficial basis at first with this woman while hoping that a deeper point could be implied.

    I think the woman is playing at being offended and railing at the absurdity of the argument.  She does know deep down what the objection is and she knows that her boyfriend really has no reason to make any greater effort to get married.  Where's his motivation in this case?

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    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 02:53:49 PM »
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  • No, the priest did an excellent job of making this Camille Paglia fan THINK.

    He understood who he was dealing with.  Now she has published her tantrum and started the ball rolling.  She has quite a long way to go, but she was fortunate to have ended up sitting next to a charitable priest.

    The saving up money for a ring story is not a very promising one.  The lady will not forget the priest's words; he already had her in tears and he is probably praying for her.


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    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 03:25:59 PM »
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  • The priest clearly struck a raw nerve!


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    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 04:21:25 PM »
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  • She knew exactly what was at the root of the conversation. It wasn't about the ring and she knows that. It was about what the ring symbolizes, none of which she has in her relationship no matter how much she tries to rationalize. I think the priest was being tactful by making it "about the ring". She is choosing to focus on taking his point literally because it's a distraction from the real issue, not because she really thinks it's about the material aspect of a ring.

    Plus, this is a highly one-sided blog by a source that I would not trust to be neutral in retelling the tale. I'm sure she's got her spin and the truth is somewhere over there.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 07:03:06 PM »
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    I get what you are saying. But the cleric could have done his duty and performed a spiritual work of mercy.

    Her reaction could not have been much worse.

    In fact if the cleric objected to the concubinage it very well might have made much more sense to her, even if she disagreed with his stance. She would  have clearly realised that the cleric's objection was about the concubinage, not about the issue of the ring and the commitment to marry.

    After all if she had a ring and a solid commitment of marriage, the real problem of the concubinge remains.


    Yes, her reaction could have been MUCH nastier. The priest saying what he said kept the moral objection between him and the girl... anyone overhearing the conversation would just take it as an elder giving some friendly advice. I can easily see the other guests nearby ganging up on the priest for his "rash judgment" and they certainly wouldnt have any regard for him being a priest. So I think he did a good job in making the intended impression and avoiding a scene (which is certainly what the girl did NOT do).

    The fact that this girl's boyfriend hasnt proposed to her in such a long time speaks for itself, and it says that he is not serious and is willing to leave her for another girl ( and of course he will repeat this cycle when he moves in with her or vice-versa). The priest knows very well that almost all couples living in concubinage never get married. He wanted to make this girl realize that if the guy hasnt proposed yet means he doesnt love her and is deceiving her and that she should move on. What would naturally follow an honest realization of the situation would result in one or the other moving and ending the concubinage. They may, more than likely, just do the same thing with someone else eventually, but at least they would stop committing that sin, if but for a time.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 03, 2010, 02:19:18 PM »
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  • Heck, I say send him on over to us, sounds like he'd make a great traditional priest.

    These modern day fembots need a wake up call, but sometimes you just have to tread lightly.  Looking at her interests, she sounds like the modern day bubble headed woman who would probably go suicidal if he told her the full truth.