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Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
« on: November 24, 2021, 11:01:38 PM »
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  • South Carolina Bishop Latin Mass,  bans some sacraments altogether!

    New restrictions on Mass
    Starting November 28, midnight Mass at Christmas will be forbidden, while only one Mass, instead of the usual three, is permitted on All Souls Day. Mirroring the restrictions implemented in Rome, Guglielmone also banned the traditional Triduum, including the Easter vigil.
    Weekday Masses in the traditional liturgy are only permitted if there is also a Novus Ordo Mass said on the same day.
     
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/south-carolina-bishop-restricts-latin-mass-bans-some-traditional-sacraments-altogether/



    :facepalm::fryingpan:

    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2021, 12:12:24 AM »
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  • South Carolina Bishop Latin Mass,  bans some sacraments altogether!

    New restrictions on Mass
    Starting November 28, midnight Mass at Christmas will be forbidden, while only one Mass, instead of the usual three, is permitted on All Souls Day. Mirroring the restrictions implemented in Rome, Guglielmone also banned the traditional Triduum, including the Easter vigil.
    Weekday Masses in the traditional liturgy are only permitted if there is also a Novus Ordo Mass said on the same day.
     
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/south-carolina-bishop-restricts-latin-mass-bans-some-traditional-sacraments-altogether/



    :facepalm::fryingpan:

    It would seem this is a way to force Indult groups to celebrate the NOM (and probably the SSPX when they get regularized). What happens when every "diocese" implements this? It would seem to only be a matter of time. What happens when there's an old ordination ban? The squeeze is getting tighter and tighter.
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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2021, 03:08:06 AM »
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  • When there’s no true Mass or Sacraments to be had?  Then the real Catholics will pray at home until conditions change.

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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2021, 04:08:15 AM »
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  • What?  No pastoral care?   Where is the love and inclusion, diversity??
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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2021, 07:30:30 PM »
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  • The Novus Ordo church leaders want to destroy the religion and beliefs of as many people as possible without putting themselves out of business. It’s a very delicate balance to do these two things simultaneously but that’s exactly what they are doing.


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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #5 on: November 26, 2021, 07:49:21 PM »
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  • The Novus Ordo church leaders want to destroy the religion and beliefs of as many people as possible without putting themselves out of business. It’s a very delicate balance to do these two things simultaneously but that’s exactly what they are doing.
    They may try, but they'll never do it.  When you tell someone they can't have it or can't do something, they want it all the more.....and that's when they will fight you tooth and nail to get it.  All they are going to do is put themselves out of business, because the young NO people aren't going to support the church.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2021, 08:23:38 PM »
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  • They may try, but they'll never do it.  When you tell someone they can't have it or can't do something, they want it all the more.....and that's when they will fight you tooth and nail to get it.  All they are going to do is put themselves out of business, because the young NO people aren't going to support the church.
    By raising such a stink about it, and stigmatizing it, the powers that be in the Church are actually calling attention to the Traditional Latin Mass --- what is called the "Streisand effect" --- and making people stop and think "maybe I need to check this out".  As the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    And if you want to look at it this way, it's the same reason people slow down and look at car wrecks.  Honestly, do any of us just drive by, say "that's of no concern to me", and not even slow down to have a look?

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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2021, 09:23:56 PM »
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  • By raising such a stink about it, and stigmatizing it, the powers that be in the Church are actually calling attention to the Traditional Latin Mass --- what is called the "Streisand effect" --- and making people stop and think "maybe I need to check this out".  As the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    And if you want to look at it this way, it's the same reason people slow down and look at car wrecks.  Honestly, do any of us just drive by, say "that's of no concern to me", and not even slow down to have a look?
    I used to think this but recently changed my opinion on it because a friend of mine was very Traditional (I mean he served Mass 5 days a week and attended Mass 7 days a week) and when I ran into him, he just told me that he went back to the Novus Ordo. I wish that were the case but his situation has me in doubt.

    They may try, but they'll never do it.  When you tell someone they can't have it or can't do something, they want it all the more.....and that's when they will fight you tooth and nail to get it.  All they are going to do is put themselves out of business, because the young NO people aren't going to support the church.
    Of course they will never get every single person but they will get most of them. I feel that they know exactly what they are doing and are deliberately poisoning the faith. I used to think all of that was "radical extremist nonsense" but when I found out certain unfortunate truths, I became unable to psychologically convince myself to go back to believing the lies of the post Vatican II church.

    My friend seemed to be able to do it, although I have no idea how he could do such a thing after being such a loyal Traditional Catholic.  


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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #8 on: November 26, 2021, 09:50:47 PM »
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  • TradMan80, you say they will get most of them.  Maybe from the indult but not from the resistance, Pius V, SSPX, home aloners, or any sedes. (which are all growing)

    There aren't a lot of young people in the NO, at least where I live, and I don't think the indult crowd is strong enough to have their children keep them in business when they're gone.  
    Even their seminaries are near empty.
    So just how long can they continue operating?  10 years?

    I don't know what it's like in other places, but here, devout NO who've been away from Mass for the last 18 months are now quite comfortable staying home and a few I've spoken with will not be returning prior to their funeral.  I think they forgot about them in their plans for financial support.
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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #9 on: November 26, 2021, 10:38:42 PM »
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  • I used to think this but recently changed my opinion on it because a friend of mine was very Traditional (I mean he served Mass 5 days a week and attended Mass 7 days a week) and when I ran into him, he just told me that he went back to the Novus Ordo. I wish that were the case but his situation has me in doubt.

    Some give the TLM a try, or say they support it, but when the bullet hits the bone, they fall away, or maybe go to the TLM for awhile and just get tired of it, for whatever reason.  It just doesn't soak in or absorb into them.  Maybe it's because our society encourages the concept of worshiping in your own language and being casual and informal about everything.  Hard to say.

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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2021, 06:57:22 AM »
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  • It's okay.  He supposedly has ordinary jurisdiction even if it's just to keep the seat warm.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2021, 06:58:28 AM »
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  • It would seem this is a way to force Indult groups to celebrate the NOM (and probably the SSPX when they get regularized). What happens when every "diocese" implements this? It would seem to only be a matter of time. What happens when there's an old ordination ban? The squeeze is getting tighter and tighter.
    I don't see this happening in a lot of dioceses. Reinhard Cardinal Marx of Cologne seemed almost scornful in response to this latest action by his client (pays his leccy bill), a few have derogated entirely from TC, and most changed little. There would need to be far more diocesan creatures of Francis in situ for TC to be implemented in his ideal way, as something shorn of every other sacrament and the Easter Triduum.  Francis will be dead in not too long. Another 'spirit of V2' successor might take the more reasonable position that the Mass of Ages matters little either to the Conciliar communion.

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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2021, 10:17:35 AM »
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  • I don't see this happening in a lot of dioceses. Reinhard Cardinal Marx of Cologne seemed almost scornful in response to this latest action by his client (pays his leccy bill), a few have derogated entirely from TC, and most changed little. There would need to be far more diocesan creatures of Francis in situ for TC to be implemented in his ideal way, as something shorn of every other sacrament and the Easter Triduum.  Francis will be dead in not too long. Another 'spirit of V2' successor might take the more reasonable position that the Mass of Ages matters little either to the Conciliar communion.
    I think there's a political angle that has nothing to do about theology. Francis sees people with higher birthrates and more conservative people going to the Latin Mass, so it's not just him wanting it banned but probably high level globalists too. Viewed in this light I don't think things are ever going back.
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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #13 on: November 27, 2021, 10:43:59 AM »
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  • Reinhard Cardinal Marx of Cologne 

    ... of Munich and Freising.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Bishops bans Latin Mass, Christmas, Easter, All souls days
    « Reply #14 on: November 27, 2021, 01:59:10 PM »
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  • At some point many will stay home. 
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