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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: josefamenendez on January 12, 2024, 04:09:23 PM
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(https://twitter.com/BishStrickland)Bishop J. Strickland
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I will make my first pilgrimage to Medjugoria tomorrow. Please be assured of my prayers for all of the needs of those who read this and take it to heart.
I can’t pretend to be specifically aware of your needs & prayers, but Our Lord and Our Lady know.
Let us pray.
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Well, he means well, to show devotion to Our Lady ... but is deceived about Medjugorje. IMO, this one is not diabolical but just an outright fraud, as there have been no demonstrable preternatural phenomena associated with it.
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Back in the day, like back in 1984, I started wondering, 'wow. every single day they have a meeting...?' And I think they're still supposed to be going on but can't be bothered to check. At Lourdes, the 'experts' tried all kinds of things on the ecstatic Bernadette. One should show the 'finger poke' on one of the Medja-booboo visionaries to Strickland.
Just say No to Medja boo boo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDRbO_qJ7g&pp=ygUQbWVkanVnb3JqZSBmcmF1ZA%3D%3D
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Back in the day, like back in 1984, I started wondering, 'wow. every single day they have a meeting...?' And I think they're still supposed to be going on but can't be bothered to check. At Lourdes, the 'experts' tried all kinds of things on the ecstatic Bernadette. One should show the 'finger poke' on one of the Medja-booboo visionaries to Strickland.
Just say No to Medja boo boo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDRbO_qJ7g&pp=ygUQbWVkanVnb3JqZSBmcmF1ZA%3D%3D
Yeah- when she was startled by the finger poke, Vicka said she moved because she thought our Lady was going to drop the baby Jesus.
That's thinking on your feet!
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Yeah, pretty amazing. They had to come up with something and maybe some people even believed that. That sure was/is a whopper.
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Back in the day, like back in 1984, I started wondering, 'wow. every single day they have a meeting...?' And I think they're still supposed to be going on but can't be bothered to check. At Lourdes, the 'experts' tried all kinds of things on the ecstatic Bernadette. One should show the 'finger poke' on one of the Medja-booboo visionaries to Strickland.
Just say No to Medja boo boo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDRbO_qJ7g&pp=ygUQbWVkanVnb3JqZSBmcmF1ZA%3D%3D
Yeah, if you play it at .25 speed also (though visible also at regular speed), you'll notice that the one in the middle (yellow coat) starts to kneel down in ecstasy well before the one on the right (as we're looking at it), and the one on the left is last ... so they're clearly following the cue of the one in the middle for when to "go into ecstasy" and are just a hair tardy because they're having to react to her.
Total fraud. Devil isn't even involved here other than by inspiring their fraud.
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Well, he means well, to show devotion to Our Lady ... but is deceived about Medjugorje. IMO, this one is not diabolical but just an outright fraud, as there have been no demonstrable preternatural phenomena associated with it.
I'm sorry Lad, but by the time a man becomes a Bishop, meaning well doesn't cut it. Where is the discernment? Most people know Medjugorje has been a scam for over 30 years. It just supports the premise to me that these NO Episcopal Consecrations can't confer the grace needed for the office. Strickland was also involved with Voris planning a Catholic community by Tyler ,Texas. Who of any consequence didn't know that Voris and Ferndale were homo- crazytown for a very long time?
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I didn’t know Ferndale, Michigan was full of sodomite bars. That would have been huge red flag.
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I'm sorry Lad, but by the time a man becomes a Bishop, meaning well doesn't cut it. Where is the discernment? Most people know Medjugorje has been a scam for over 30 years. It just supports the premise to me that these NO Episcopal Consecrations can't confer the grace needed for the office. Strickland was also involved with Voris planning a Catholic community by Tyler ,Texas. Who of any consequence didn't know that Voris and Ferndale were homo- crazytown for a very long time?
Doesn't cut it for what, having good intentions (which is all I attributed to him)? Then I said he was deceived. I know some people who believed they were showing devotion to Our Lady by going to Medjugorje. So is Strickland going there to show his allegiance to Satan? Ridiculous.
As for for this being support for the invalidity of NO Rite of Episcopal consecration, that's utter nonsense. Archbishop Thuc was a validly consecrated bishop and bought into the alleged apparitions at Palmar, Bishop Williamson validly consecrated and bought into Garabandal (there's plenty of evidence for that being diabolical), etc. There's absolutely no relationship between valid Holy Orders and prudence, good judgment, or even moral rectitude (as we've had a fair number of valid bishops who became heretics, schismatics, or even moral perverts). And lots of well-meaning Catholics thought that Voris was OK ... including some Traditional Catholics here who were defending him against some of my criticisms.
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Doesn't cut it for what, having good intentions (which is all I attributed to him)? Then I said he was deceived. I know some people who believed they were showing devotion to Our Lady by going to Medjugorje. So is Strickland going there to show his allegiance to Satan? Ridiculous.
As for for this being support for the invalidity of NO Rite of Episcopal consecration, that's utter nonsense. Archbishop Thuc was a validly consecrated bishop and bought into the alleged apparitions at Palmar, Bishop Williamson validly consecrated and bought into Garabandal (there's plenty of evidence for that being diabolical), etc. There's absolutely no relationship between valid Holy Orders and prudence, good judgment, or even moral rectitude (as we've had a fair number of valid bishops who became heretics, schismatics, or even moral perverts). And lots of well-meaning Catholics thought that Voris was OK ... including some Traditional Catholics here who were defending him against some of my criticisms.
Ok- I see your point. But I still question the lack of discernment. Some of these red flags are so obvious a 10 year old could navigate them. I can't understand the naiveté of this ( and probably many other ) NO Bishops.
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Ok- I see your point. But I still question the lack of discernment. Some of these red flags are so obvious a 10 year old could navigate them. I can't understand the naiveté of this ( and probably many other ) NO Bishops.
Of course he lacks discernment or just didn't do enough homework or bought into the Pro Medj propaganda. He also lacks discernment by going along with Vatican II and the New Mass in general. All I said was that he probably means well.
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I think he recently is trying Latin Mass I thought he said.
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I'm sorry Lad, but by the time a man becomes a Bishop, meaning well doesn't cut it. Where is the discernment? Most people know Medjugorje has been a scam for over 30 years. It just supports the premise to me that these NO Episcopal Consecrations can't confer the grace needed for the office. Strickland was also involved with Voris planning a Catholic community by Tyler ,Texas. Who of any consequence didn't know that Voris and Ferndale were homo- crazytown for a very long time?
I'm surprised he is into it because I thought the local "bishop" proclaimed it false.
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Ok- I see your point. But I still question the lack of discernment. Some of these red flags are so obvious a 10 year old could navigate them. I can't understand the naiveté of this ( and probably many other ) NO Bishops.
Strickland's currently a focal point for USA novusordites who are starting to notice coincidences, question the narrative, and start to think seriously about walking away from the blasphemous farce that is the conciliar church. It follows that anything that undermines Strickland's discernment also undermines all these other lay people. In demonic terms, he's a high value target even if, especially if, he's NO.
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Strickland's currently a focal point for USA novusordites who are starting to notice coincidences, question the narrative, and start to think seriously about walking away from the blasphemous farce that is the conciliar church. It follows that anything that undermines Strickland's discernment also undermines all these other lay people. In demonic terms, he's a high value target even if, especially if, he's NO.
Dear Soubirous,
Do you know if Opus Dei has any connection with Medjugorje? Since Strickland is closely connected to LifeSiteNews, Mother Miriam, and Michael Voris/Church Militant who are all influenced by Opus Dei according to Randy Engel, is this visit part of an agenda? His presence there will give it more positive attention to the uninformed.
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Dear Soubirous,
Do you know if Opus Dei has any connection with Medjugorje? Since Strickland is closely connected to LifeSiteNews, Mother Miriam, and Michael Voris/Church Militant who are all influenced by Opus Dei according to Randy Engel, is this visit part of an agenda? His presence there will give it more positive attention to the uninformed.
I'm new to all this so the little I know is mostly from reading all these threads. What I can say comes from a lifetime of watching similar maneuvers play out large-scale in a secular context. The difference now is I accept that preternatural factors are a big part of it. I can't say much about OD and LSN and MV/CM etc., except that it looks like a pattern of similar weirdness among them. Maybe, maybe not. It'll come out on its own time.
But I do agree with your last sentence. The question is what the longer term consequences will be.
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Why isn't he going to Fatima or Lourdes? Medjugorije is already associated with the New Age and he can't be ignorant of that fact.
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Why isn't he going to Fatima or Lourdes? Medjugorije is already associated with the New Age and he can't be ignorant of that fact.
Good question.
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Why not go to Knock in Ireland?
(Isnt Ukraine and Russia near Medgejore?)
Many traditional Catholics and novus Ordo Catholics in my area are really into Medgjore. Also, into Divine Mercy prayer too.
It’s not my cup of tae
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Medjugorje is certainly demonic.
https://twitter.com/MichaelNineveh/status/1746206201853964304
Medjugorje is false and demonic, a thread:
"One day, as she (Mirjana) was waiting for the Virgin, she saw the light, and out of the light came the devil, disguised in the features and clothes of Mary, but he had a dark, hideous face...After a while, the Holy Virgin came and said to her: 'I am sorry about that...'"
Oct. 1, 1981: "All religions are equal before God," says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317)
The Virgin: "I do not dispose of all graces...Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary." (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278)
"The Virgin added: 'It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children." (Fr. Ljubic, p.71) (the unbaptized muslims??)
Aug. 2, 1981: That evening during the apparition, those present followed one another in order to touch "the veil, the head, the hand, the dress" of the apparition. "At the end the Virgin seemed dirty, full of stains." (Bubalo, p.73-74)
Autumn, 1981: Jakov asked the Virgin whether Dynamo, the soccer team from Zagreb, would win the title. This gave rise, during the apparition (in the supposed presence of Our Lady) to mad laughter on the part of the other seers. (Bubalo, p.154-157)
The Virgin was accustomed to reciting the Our father with the seers. (But how could Our Lady say: "Forgive us our trespasses," since she has none? At Lourdes, Our Lady was careful to keep her lips closed during all the Paters and Aves, reciting only the Gloria Patris.)
"The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son." --"Seer" Ivanka Ivankovic, The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje, Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.
Question: "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?" "No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son." --"Seer" Vicka Ivankovic, Janice T. Connell, The Visions of the Children, The Apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje
Mirjana: "I recently asked the Virgin this question (whether many souls are damned), and she told me that nowadays most souls go to Purgatory." (book by Fr. Faricy, p. 64) - Contrary to what Our Lady of Fatima says!
"God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers" ("The Apparitions at Medjugorje," by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)
Pope Benedict XIV:
We must suspect those apparitions that lack dignity or proper reserve, and above all, those that are ridiculous. This last characteristic is a mark of human or diabolical machination.
The apparitions at Medjugorje, because of their banality or lack of dignity, the containing of heresy in the messages, and their undermining of Church authority, are certainly false, and cannot have come from Our Lady and Heaven.
For those defending it: It is impossible for the Virgin Mary to say Heresy. She would never do such a thing.
"In God there are no divisions or religions; it is you in the world who have created divisions." (Faricy, p.51)
Jan. 1982: The Virgin states that two Franciscan priests, removed from their order and under suspension by the bishop, one of whom later fathered a child by a nun, may continue to say Mass and hear Confessions. Vicka the seer is asked
"If the Lady said this, and the Pope says that they cannot..." Vicka answers: "The Pope can say what he wants. I'm telling it as it is." (from Bishop Zanic's docuмent, 1990)
Saturday, June 27, 1981: The seers stated that the Virgin had disappeared several times because people had trod on her veil. (Bubalo, p.29-32)
"The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well." --"Seer" Ivanka Ivankovic, Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.
the ‘Gospa’ of Medjugorje confirmed that Necedah was also one of her appearances, and that Bayside’s ‘evil double’ theories were correct. Both of the alleged seers at those locations had occult backgrounds – one having indulged in fortune and tarot readings, and seances.
*Jan. 13, 1984: Cardinal Kuharic, Archbishop of Zagreb, stated "If the Virgin said such words against the Bishop in favor of the suspended Franciscans, then it is not the Virgin who spoke" (cited by Salbato, Medjugorje Apparitions, p.20)
Medjugorje (11/88): ‘My child, know that I love my people of all religions....’" (Apparitions, p. 4).
St. Teresa writes, "I only regard a revelation as true if it is in no way contrary to Holy Scripture and to the laws of the Church, which we are obliged to follow."
If a revelation "departed ever so little from Holy Scripture, I would see in it a snare of the Devil. - St. Teresa
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Some supporters of Medjugorje claim that the apparitions have borne the "good fruits" of conversions, increased sacramental confessions, recitation of the Rosary, Marian devotion, and a host of other very Catholic manifestations. We must consider that the Devil is
willing to suffer these effects as long as he can keep his dark mantle over Catholic doctrine, which itself is necessary to make any such fruits efficacious and will assuredly lead souls to Hell as the rejection of a single doctrine is sufficient to place one
in the state of mortal sin. Consider again what St. Teresa, the great Doctor of the Church, said about the marks of a favored soul and a true revelation.