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Offline Cantarella

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« on: December 14, 2013, 07:34:43 PM »
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  • What is the best Douay Rheims Holy Bible version I could purchase today?

    Need to keep it under $100   :thinking:



    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 07:36:39 PM »
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  • I like the Baronius Press edition.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 07:40:44 PM »
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  • If you're looking to keep costs down, I suggest a used book store.  I found a nice Bible at such a store from the early 50s for about $10.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 08:01:06 PM »
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  • http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935302027/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1935302027&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    That's $43. Standard print. I think that's the best one. Great size, great cover, and readable text.

    St. Benedict's Press is going full modernist/Novus Ordo. I've heard that TAN will stop selling some of its "controversial" books and supposedly some of those DR Bibles are going out of stock. So get this Bible while you got the chance, I think it's better than the Baronius version.

    All that being said English speaking Catholics have very expensive and poor quality Bibles. I forget the publishers name but there's this one KJV-only baptist sect that sells calf skinned bibles for 40 bucks, elite quality. Even the Novus Ordo has ugly books, The LoTH by Catholic Book Publishing is overpriced Made In China quality garbage. Pretty shocking if you consider how large the market is.

    We need a Catholic Bruce Wayne to fix all this.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 11:19:41 PM »
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  • In terms of the Bible text, it doesn't really matter.  THe DRV is the DRV regardless of the edition.  I would strongly encourage you to get the Haydock version if you can.  The commentaries are first rate.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 12:24:57 AM »
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  • Angelus Press sells one for about $32.

    Douay-Rheims Bible

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    « Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 09:56:22 PM »
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  • Found this good read:

    What is the REAL Douay-Rheims Bible?

    http://www.realdouayrheims.com/

    There seems to be a difference between the Douay Rheims of 1582 and 1609-10 to the 18th & 19th Century Challoner-Douay revisions, which is what most people think of as the Douay-Rheims.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 01:52:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    There seems to be a difference between the Douay Rheims of 1582 and 1609-10 to the 18th & 19th Century Challoner-Douay revisions, which is what most people think of as the Douay-Rheims.

    This is true. What most people think is the Douay-Rheims is not really the Douay-Rheims. It is a new translation by Bishop Challoner. I have the original Douay-Rheims new testament and like it very much, though I do not own a Challoner version to compare it to, though I hear it at Mass and read it sometimes on the internet.
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    « Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 02:26:40 PM »
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  • Yes, I started reading the REAL Rheims NT in Lent of this year.  I am near the end now.  It is a direct translation from the Latin Vulgate of St. Jerome.  The Rheims NT was finished in 1582.  It includes commentary, much of which is directed against the Protestant errors.  I chose to read this version because the Haydock-Challoner version had made a looser translation to make it more readable.  I understand that the H-C version has great commentary from the various Fathers of the Church.  I will probably read that version on my next go around.  I don't know to what degree the H-C version departs from the sense of the Real Douay-Rheims.  But, considering the errors that have sprung up in Protestantism and the New Church, I would tend to go to the 1582 translation.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 03:05:40 PM »
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  • I have the DR from TAN books St Benedicts press, how do you rate it?

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    « Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 04:33:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Found this good read:

    What is the REAL Douay-Rheims Bible?

    http://www.realdouayrheims.com/

    There seems to be a difference between the Douay Rheims of 1582 and 1609-10 to the 18th & 19th Century Challoner-Douay revisions, which is what most people think of as the Douay-Rheims.


    Heaven help us all. It is less than five months since the last extended "discussion"—mostly consisting of slanders against honorable and orthodox Catholic scholars and prelates—of the various versions of the Douay-Rheims Bible disfigured these pages, and now we are on the brink of seeing yet another one aborning!

    Please, please, Cantarella, before you write anything more, follow the link supplied above and read the thread; it should take you about an hour. I recommend that you take especial heed of the few really sound comments on the thread, most of them coming from a gentleman whose name hereabouts is AlligatorDicax. Note, too, that the principal apologist for ignorance and slander was a commenter called Cathedra. Before the thread dried up, Matthew banned him for (1) dogmatic SVism and (2) having multiple proxy accounts. One of the latter, Vinikias, took up his alter ego Cathedra's diabolic cause before his identity was discovered by Matthew and he too was banned.

    Most important of all, please don't believe the rubbish about the "original" DR being "literal" and subsequent versions or modifications of it being "interpretive" or worse. These slanders come from people with little Latin, less Greek, and not even a syllable of Hebrew. It is literally—not figuratively, literally—impossible to pronounce authoritatively on a translation's literalness or accuracy or faithfulness without at least a working knowledge of the source language. As you'll see if you read the linked thread, Cathedra and the other slanderers had no other tongues whatsoever—and to speak the plain truth, their English composition was piss poor, too.

    Happy reading.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 16, 2013, 05:25:49 PM »
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  • Thank you, Claudel.

    I have noticed this myself -- a temptation within Traditional Catholicism to "out Trad" other trads.

    Quote from: Modern-day Pharisees
    You attend a pre-Vatican II Mass? Well, I attend a Latin Mass using the 1890 Missale Romanum. Your 1962 Missal? Ha! Might as well be Novus Ordo!

    You give up meat on Friday and fast on the ember days and vigils of feasts? Well, I fast on every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday.

    You follow God's commandments, even those regarding marriage and purity? Ha! I don't even have any "fun" with my WIFE, nevermind any other woman. Let's just say while you are enjoying your sit-down dinner, we're going through the "drive-thru". (This is a true story, by the way -- a member named Heitanen. While he expressed this precise belief, he's not married himself.)

    You have the Challoner revision of the Douay Rheims? Well, I have the ORIGINAL 1500's Douay Rheims.

    And so on. "I thank you, God, that I'm not like the rest of men..."
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    « Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 05:26:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    Quote from: Cantarella
    Found this good read:

    What is the REAL Douay-Rheims Bible?

    http://www.realdouayrheims.com/

    There seems to be a difference between the Douay Rheims of 1582 and 1609-10 to the 18th & 19th Century Challoner-Douay revisions, which is what most people think of as the Douay-Rheims.



    Most important of all, please don't believe the rubbish about the "original" DR being "literal" and subsequent versions or modifications of it being "interpretive" or worse. These slanders come from people with little Latin, less Greek, and not even a syllable of Hebrew. It is literally—not figuratively, literally—impossible to pronounce authoritatively on a translation's literalness or accuracy or faithfulness without at least a working knowledge of the source language. As you'll see if you read the linked thread, Cathedra and the other slanderers had no other tongues whatsoever—and to speak the plain truth, their English composition was piss poor, too.

    Happy reading.


    The 1611 KJV with "f" instead of "s" is the real Bible, the 1700's re-translation is a fraud. Oh wait, what? This is a Catholic website? Sorry I misread "Real DR Bible" as "real KJV bible". Sorry I thought I was a bat :cussing: insane baptist on protestant forum. Please ignore this post. I got my alter egos mixed up. It sometimes happens when Catholics "Catholicize" non-denominational baptist conspiracy theories.

    What's next? Old Testament Jєωs drank grape juice instead of wine?

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    « Reply #13 on: December 16, 2013, 05:37:43 PM »
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  • I guess this must be one of those topics where it is difficult to discuss things without ridiculing those who hold the other opinion. :fryingpan:
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    « Reply #14 on: December 16, 2013, 05:55:41 PM »
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  • Thank you,  Claudel. I will surely read that thread before making any decision on what Bible to purchase.

     :reading:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.