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Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
« on: July 15, 2023, 09:12:36 AM »
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    • Besides Apocalypse 21:27 and Matthew 5:48, which are a little vague, are there any other passages supporting the idea that you need to be perfect before you enter Heaven?
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2023, 09:43:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Disputaciones on July 15, 2023, 09:12:36 AM
    Besides Apocalypse 21:27 and Matthew 5:48, which are a little vague, are there any other passages supporting the idea that you need to be perfect before you enter Heaven?
    I mean, that's what purgatory is for, to make the soul perfect. Unfortunately I have no verses.
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2023, 09:48:34 AM »
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    • 1 Corinthians iii. 15: "If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." - a little bit vague but has the sense of a man needing to be purified by fire (like precious metals) before entering heaven ("[being] saved").

    St Matthew v. 20: "For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

    2 Corinthians xi. 2: "For I am jealous of you with the jealousy of God. For I have espoused you to one husband that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."

    Hebrews xii. 14: "Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God."
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2023, 09:56:04 AM »
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    • St. Matthew v. 8: "Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God."

    Genesis xvii. 1: "And after [Abraham] began to be ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him: I am the Almighty God: walk before me, and be perfect."
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2023, 10:34:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: poenitens on July 15, 2023, 09:48:34 AM
    Hebrews xii. 14: "Follow peace with all men, and holiness: without which no man shall see God."
    This one is very good, thank you. 
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2023, 10:56:42 AM »
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    • It also follows from reason (applied to faith), i.e. theology.  Heaven means a perfect union with God, and in God there can be nothing imperfect.  Consequently, any imperfections in us are obstacles to full union with God, as those imperfect parts of us cannot be united with God.
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2023, 11:01:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Disputaciones on July 15, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
    This one is very good, thank you.
    You're welcome. May I ask what this is for?
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2023, 12:26:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: poenitens on July 15, 2023, 11:01:05 AM
    You're welcome. May I ask what this is for?
    I wanted to see if someone knew of more passages that touched on this subject besides the few I already know so I wouldn't have to read the whole Bible to find more.
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2023, 12:28:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 15, 2023, 10:56:42 AM
    It also follows from reason (applied to faith), i.e. theology.  Heaven means a perfect union with God, and in God there can be nothing imperfect.  Consequently, any imperfections in us are obstacles to full union with God, as those imperfect parts of us cannot be united with God.
    Yes, I just wanted to see if there were more Biblical passages on this. Not to question or find "proof" for it but just to have them.
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2023, 01:01:09 PM »
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    “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”
    2 Maccabees 12:46
     
    See also:


    excerpt from: https://judaism.is/purgatory.html
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2023, 02:29:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 15, 2023, 01:01:09 PM

    excerpt from: https://judaism.is/purgatory.html


    There be a lot of fat (sins) to burn-off in Purgatory     :facepalm:


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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2023, 04:25:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Disputaciones on July 15, 2023, 12:26:07 PM
    I wanted to see if someone knew of more passages that touched on this subject besides the few I already know so I wouldn't have to read the whole Bible to find more.
    There's a great webside called DRBO.org or Douay-Rheims Bible Online where you can do a word search like the word "Heaven."

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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #12 on: July 16, 2023, 01:03:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on July 15, 2023, 02:29:52 PM


    There be a lot of fat (sins) to burn-off in Purgatory     :facepalm:



    Not just sins, but desires and affections for creatures.
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2023, 07:07:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on July 16, 2023, 01:03:01 AM
    Not just sins, but desires and affections for creatures.
    What's the source of that St. Teresa quote in your signature?
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    Re: Bible passages alluding to only the perfect entering Heaven
    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2023, 08:47:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 15, 2023, 04:25:11 PM
    There's a great webside called DRBO.org or Douay-Rheims Bible Online where you can do a word search like the word "Heaven."


    https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=enter+Heaven&x=25&y=26&b=drb&t=2
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    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.
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