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Title: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Geremia on January 12, 2024, 08:57:41 PM
Could someone here please recommend a good book defending the superiority of homeschooling over classroom schooling?
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 12, 2024, 09:19:23 PM
John Taylor Gatto & Maria Montessori both have several books that would fit this description. Gatto is more directed at how bad public school is; Montessori is more about best practices for early childhood education.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 12, 2024, 09:35:07 PM
If you want to go WAY back, this one is interesting. Most of the book is an argument against public school but the alternative presented is Catholic schooling.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Public_School_Education/ywQCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA7&printsec=frontcover
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Plenus Venter on January 12, 2024, 10:46:36 PM
If you want to go WAY back, this one is interesting. Most of the book is an argument against public school but the alternative presented is Catholic schooling.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Public_School_Education/ywQCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA7&printsec=frontcover
Some very inspiring reading there, very good!
Since it is difficult even to find Traditional Catholic schools nowadays where the spirit of the world and bad influences are absent, it is easy to apply his logic and conclusions to home schooling rather than Catholic schools.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Plenus Venter on January 12, 2024, 10:56:22 PM
John Taylor Gatto & Maria Montessori both have several books that would fit this description. Gatto is more directed at how bad public school is; Montessori is more about best practices for early childhood education.
After reading an article on Maria Montessori in a 2022 edition of The Broken Wheel (starting on p.31), a periodical publication supervised by Fr MacDonald (attached), I wouldn't recommend anything that comes from her. Here is the conclusion of that article:

In conclusion:
I strongly recommend, for those who like to watch videos or listen to podcasts, the conference
entitled “Resistance Podcast 122: The Problems of Maria Montessori Part 1”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOjmxoesTE.
I only watched the first five minutes before I wrote this article, but I would have saved myself a lot
of time and research if I had watched it all. A lot of the quotes I put in this article are also found in
this podcast. However, it is very complete and goes much deeper than I am able to intellectually. Do
not be discouraged by the first 9 minutes. If you prefer, go straight to minute 9.
Part 2 is entitled “Resistance Podcast 125: Catechesis of the Good Shepherd: a Wolf in Sheep’s
Clothing”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-byCCn6RuA
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 13, 2024, 03:05:41 AM
After reading an article on Maria Montessori in a 2022 edition of The Broken Wheel (starting on p.31), a periodical publication supervised by Fr MacDonald (attached), I wouldn't recommend anything that comes from her. Here is the conclusion of that article:
Thanks. Yes, I've read before about some of her problematic ideas. I certainly wouldn't be recommending her for theological direction. But, I'm not the sort to need something or someone to be 100% perfect to garner some valuable information from it. I think anyone here should be able to survive a paging-through of The Montessori Method. But, it's probably not a good fit for what the OP is looking for as it doesn't point toward home education as the solution to failing public schools.

Gatto is a homeschooling advocate, but I think he takes it a step further and promotes "unschooling" -- not 100% sure. I also don't believe he addresses religious concerns at all.

More homeschool-specific books that come to mind are Educating the WholeHearted Child by Sally Clarkson or The Well-Trained Mind by Susan Wise Bauer.

I'm interested to see if anyone knows of book that is a complete argument for Catholic homeschooling.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 13, 2024, 03:08:32 AM
This looks like a solid resource:
https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Home-Schooling-Handbook-Parents/dp/0895554941/

It's an out-of-print TAN book by Seton Homeschool director Dr. Mary Kay Clark.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: songbird on January 13, 2024, 11:26:01 AM
Yes, I do remember Seton's book.  At www.Joyfulcatholic,  also known as refuge of sinners, a book titled "public education". This one will go an angle on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ that brought the public schools in to teach no God. 
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Geremia on January 13, 2024, 08:02:31 PM
I wouldn't recommend anything that comes from her.
Supposedly Pope Leo XIII endorsed her, but she certainly is not a homeschooler. She was the founder of maternity schools (where mothers with their young children would both be away from the home and in her classrooms).
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Geremia on January 13, 2024, 08:12:21 PM
[Catholic Home Schooling (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=9785) is] an out-of-print TAN book by Seton Homeschool director Dr. Mary Kay Clark.
Nice credentials! Thank you!

I wonder if any founders of other homeschool groups (OLV (https://www.olvs.org/), Kolbe (https://www.kolbe.org/), QoH (https://queenofheavenacademy.org/), etc.) have written books on homeschooling.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: SimpleMan on January 13, 2024, 10:04:15 PM
Yes, I do remember Seton's book.  At www.Joyfulcatholic,  also known as refuge of sinners, a book titled "public education". This one will go an angle on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ that brought the public schools in to teach no God.
That link doesn't work.  When I typed in .com, I was redirected to this:

https://www.traditionalcatholicpublishing.com/ (https://www.traditionalcatholicpublishing.com/)
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: MaterDominici on January 13, 2024, 10:23:21 PM
That link doesn't work.  When I typed in .com, I was redirected to this:

https://www.traditionalcatholicpublishing.com/ (https://www.traditionalcatholicpublishing.com/)
I'm pretty sure she's referring to Public School Education by Muller which I linked to above (public domain).
Title: defense of homeschooling
Post by: Geremia on January 15, 2024, 01:47:46 PM
[Catholic Home Schooling: A Handbook for Parents (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=9785) is an] out-of-print TAN book by Seton Homeschool director Dr. Mary Kay Clark.
Thanks again for this work. I'm only about ⅛ of the way through it, but right off the bat it covers the advantages of homeschooling:
Thomas Nelson's preface lists 8 advantages, pp. xvii-xx:
and Dr. Clark's ch. 1 (pp. 1-22) argues homeschooling's advantages:
Title: Re: defense of homeschooling
Post by: MaterDominici on January 16, 2024, 12:12:49 AM
    "You can (and should) eliminate the option to fail!"
It takes a long time for many to wrap their heads around the idea that grades are pointless in homeschooling. A grade is a reflection of how well a student does compared to the other students. In homeschooling, there's no point in moving on if the student hasn't learned the material.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 16, 2024, 08:00:58 AM

Douay-Rheims Bible (https://biblehub.com/drbc/mark/12.htm)
And Jesus answering, said to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. 


Children belong to God and parents; not the government. 
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: rum on January 17, 2024, 12:42:23 AM
Years back I remember some trads recommending The Trivium (can't add Amazon link for some reason) by Sister Miriam Joseph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Miriam_Joseph). Though she was a fan of Mortimer Adler and Jacques Maritain.
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Geremia on February 03, 2024, 03:17:16 PM
[Catholic Home Schooling: A Handbook for Parents (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=9785) is an] out-of-print TAN book by Seton Homeschool director Dr. Mary Kay Clark (https://www.setonhome.org/teams/mary-kay-clark/).
Thanks yet again! This is one of the best works I've read on Catholic education! It does an excellent job refuting all the errors of modern public, private, and parochial schooling, and really convinced me the value of Catholic marriages and families for society.
I liked the section on socialization, that true Catholic socialization is the works of charity, and the family is the best way to train children how to practice fraternal charity.
And that socialists deem schools "necessary" for socialization (but there wouldn't be any issue if families weren't so small due to contraception!).
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Geremia on February 03, 2024, 03:28:35 PM
Any other good books on homeschooling?
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: Miseremini on February 03, 2024, 03:44:42 PM
Years back I remember some trads recommending The Trivium (can't add Amazon link for some reason) by Sister Miriam Joseph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Miriam_Joseph). Though she was a fan of Mortimer Adler and Jacques Maritain.


https://www.amazon.ca/Trivium-Liberal-Logic-Grammar-Rhetoric/dp/0967967503
Title: Re: Best book-length defense of homeschooling?
Post by: songbird on February 03, 2024, 06:38:15 PM
www.Joyfulcatholic.com is the same as MOS  Mother of our Son, Refugee of Sinners.

Dr. David Allen White of the Naval Academy spoke to home schoolers in the 90's.  An 18 year old young man convert Dr. White to the Catholic Church. Dr. White said at that time, the students he was receiving could not read well, so he could not teach them til they had a remedial class for reading to be able to progress.  That bad!!  He said he would rather have students home schooled, even it it were to play cards, they are learning!! those students that were home schooled, he had no problems with their reading skills.  He saw the difference.

I was taught my mormons of the dumbing down. They directed me to the enemy's books and the USCCB also was appalling!  Not only did we home school but we also saw the lies of the New Order and went traditional, AMEN!  We all had a lot to learn!!