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Title: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 13, 2023, 02:31:54 PM
:facepalm:

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/francis-shocks-seminarians-with-expletives


VATICAN CITY (ChurchMilitant.com (https://www.churchmilitant.com/)) - Seminarians from Barcelona say they were scandalized when Pope Francis reportedly used the f-word and other expletives at a papal audience in Rome.
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Staff and seminarians from Barcelona in Rome

According to testimonies from the seminarians, Francis ranted against "f*****g careerists who f**k up the lives of others." The pope criticized "those who climb to show their a*s," the Italian media outlet  Daily Compass reported (https://newdailycompass.com/en/francis-shocks-barcelona-seminarians-with-sɛҳuąƖ-expletives) on Monday.
The trainee priests were shocked when Francis also reportedly insisted that priests should never deny absolution to penitents in the confessional under any circuмstances.
Eyewitnesses describe how the pontiff, at the audience on Dec. 10, tossed his prepared speech aside, saying that "it would have been boring." Instead, Francis told the seminarians to ask him questions.
"After handing out the address prepared for the occasion, the pope engaged in dialogue with those present at the meeting," the Holy See Press Office clarified.
The pope's speech (https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2022/12/10/221210a.html), which was sent to the Vatican press corps, is very different in content from the Holy Father's alleged off-the-cuff remarks. The former reminds the seminarians that their "first obligation will be a life of prayer born of gratitude" when they become priests.
The prepared address urges the seminarians to "never extinguish that fire which will make you fearless preachers of the Gospel, dispensers of divine treasures" and to "take up your rosary" and ask Mary "to help you to unveil the mysteries of the priesthood."


Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 13, 2023, 02:39:36 PM
I wonder if this kind of behavior is endemic in Argentinians:

In the summer of 2002, I did my SSPX seminary summer apostolate in Rome, and was a passenger in a car in the backseat, with two Argentinian priests in the front/passenger seats.  We were all in cassocks/collars, of course, and at an intersection, a lady coming at us in another car honks the horn and flips us the bird. 

Without losing a second, the Argentinian priest driver lays on the horn with one hand, and flips the lady an extended middle finger with the other hand.  I saw the lady's jaw drop, and I wanted to shrink down onto the floor of the back seat in embarassment. 

The other Argentinian priest in the passsenger seat looked back at me and said, "Argentinian style."

I'll bet that lady is still telling people that story today. 

I'll never forget her expression when that priest flippd her the bird.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 02:56:17 PM
Well, given that the lady was shocked, perhaps it's not as common as you think.  Of course, not sure why she thought it was OK to flip off the priests (unless she initially didn't see they were priests).  And the seminarias were shocked enough by Bergoglio that the information leaked.

It's unacceptable regardless.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 02:57:52 PM
The prepared address urges the seminarians to "never extinguish that fire which will make you fearless preachers of the Gospel, dispensers of divine treasures" and to "take up your rosary" and ask Mary "to help you to unveil the mysteries of the priesthood."

Clearly someone else wrote the prepared speech, and Bergoglio threw it out as being boring when he saw mentions of praying the Rosary, etc.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Jr1991 on January 13, 2023, 03:33:33 PM
That Bergoglio sure has a tongue. :laugh1:

Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 03:55:07 PM
That Bergoglio sure has a tongue. :laugh1:

Yes, Jorge the Humble, meek and humble of heart, as he likes to tell everyone and boast about, is notorious for going on loud raging profanity-laced tirades at the Vatican where they try to close the doors, but to no avail, as the profanities still reverberate around the building.

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Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/03/pope-francis-swears-vatican-blessing-video

Here Jorge's "blessing" at the Vatican consisted of telling the audience to "f**k off".
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 04:01:28 PM
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Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 13, 2023, 04:08:56 PM
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Well, I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art
Weird Al Yankovic, Amish ParadiseJorge Bergoglio

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Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Nadir on January 13, 2023, 04:32:34 PM
I wonder if this kind of behavior is endemic in Argentinians:. 

Without losing a second, the Argentinian priest driver lays on the horn with one hand, and flips the lady an extended middle finger with the other hand.
He sounds like he has Italian blood. :jester:

Then again, so has Francis.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: 2Vermont on January 13, 2023, 04:34:19 PM
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:laugh1:  Ah, memories.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Nadir on January 13, 2023, 04:37:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/03/pope-francis-swears-vatican-blessing-video

Here Jorge's "blessing" at the Vatican consisted of telling the audience to "f**k off".
Francis’ Italian is very poor and limited. My husband says he speaks the level of a 7 year old.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: jen51 on January 13, 2023, 05:06:18 PM
Pope Francis to the seminarians: "...f*****g careerists who f**k up the lives of others."

Also Pope Francis to the seminarians: "...your first obligation will be a life of prayer born of gratitude."

:confused:

:facepalm:


The new trend among the contemporary Christian crowd is to spurn "out dated" norms on propriety, and to be "real". Because being "real" is being humble and.... authentic. It's a strange thing. I wish he'd stop catering to that destructive trend. The whole world is watching.



Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Seraphina on January 13, 2023, 05:22:07 PM
It didn’t matter who used profanity when I was growing up.  Everyone had to kiss the top of the Palmolive dish soap bottle.  
I remember once on a long weekend camping trip, the six adults in the adjacent site to ours set up and began partying around a large campfire. They were liberal and loud with their use of filthy language.  Our father went over to their site and informed them that they would stop cussing in the hearing of his wife and children.  He was polite, but used his Navy officer voice.  Their response was to give him the finger and tell him to f-off among other unwholesome suggestions.
Dad said nothing, returned to our site where he took the large “brown water” pail from beneath the camper, added the used dish water, several generous squirts of Palmolive, mixed up the noxious brew with a tree branch, and returned to the dirty mouthed campers.  He said nothing as he emptied its contents all over their campfire, dowsing it, and departed.  It stank so bad simmering on the coals that the occupants of sites all around involved themselves in the matter.  The end result was that the offending couples hastily tossed their tent and gear in their vehicles and left.  It didn’t harm that one of the offended campers was a police officer who threatened them with arrest.  I don’t know where they went, but next day, park employees cleaned the site and it was soon occupied by a family with a tent trailer and three young boys.  
Problem solved.  Dad thereafter refused to discuss the matter.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 13, 2023, 07:24:19 PM
Did Bergolio really use the f word??
Demonic possession?  Bergolio says he and our Lord are communists.  Bergolio has used Masonic devil hand signs in the past.   That is really messed up.  We need a global exorcism.



:incense:






Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Jr1991 on January 13, 2023, 09:43:09 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/03/pope-francis-swears-vatican-blessing-video

Here Jorge's "blessing" at the Vatican consisted of telling the audience to "f**k off".

I can't stop laughing. :laugh2: 
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: SimpleMan on January 14, 2023, 12:07:11 AM
The article in Spanish didn't contain any profane language:

https://germinansgerminabit-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/lo-que-dijo-y-lo-que-no-el-papa-los.html?m=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://germinansgerminabit-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/lo-que-dijo-y-lo-que-no-el-papa-los.html?m=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)

I skimmed it first in Spanish (I am far from fluent) looking for the only word I know for the f-word (begins with "ch..."), then I got lazy and put it through Google Translate.  Nothing.  Don't know what's up with that.  The much tamer "pinche" wasn't there either, but it's my understanding that this is a Mexican Spanish slang word.  

Even if PF did drop f-bombs (or their Spanish equivalent), this would be pretty low on the totem pole, compared to all the other things he's done.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 14, 2023, 01:56:22 AM
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Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Gunter on January 14, 2023, 06:19:21 AM
Realizing this does not disqualify him as Pope but doesn't it seem that the sedevacanist position brings a certain peace to your life.  I suppose folks watch nascar for the spectacular crashes.  Rubber necks.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on January 14, 2023, 06:28:14 AM
Realizing this does not disqualify him as Pope but doesn't it seem that the sedevacanist position brings a certain peace to your life.  I suppose folks watch nascar for the spectacular crashes.  Rubber necks.
:jester:
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on January 14, 2023, 06:34:04 AM
The article in Spanish didn't contain any profane language:

https://germinansgerminabit-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/lo-que-dijo-y-lo-que-no-el-papa-los.html?m=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://germinansgerminabit-blogspot-com.translate.goog/2022/12/lo-que-dijo-y-lo-que-no-el-papa-los.html?m=1&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)

I skimmed it first in Spanish (I am far from fluent) looking for the only word I know for the f-word (begins with "ch..."), then I got lazy and put it through Google Translate.  Nothing.  Don't know what's up with that.  The much tamer "pinche" wasn't there either, but it's my understanding that this is a Mexican Spanish slang word. 

Even if PF did drop f-bombs (or their Spanish equivalent), this would be pretty low on the totem pole, compared to all the other things he's done.

Of course it’s nothing compared to his heresies, but it gives the observer a glimpse into the corrupt and warped brain this degenerate has.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Cornelius on January 14, 2023, 06:42:44 AM
I wonder if this kind of behavior is endemic in Argentinians:

In the summer of 2002, I did my SSPX seminary summer apostolate in Rome, and was a passenger in a car in the backseat, with two Argentinian priests in the front/passenger seats.  We were all in cassocks/collars, of course, and at an intersection, a lady coming at us in another car honks the horn and flips us the bird. 

Without losing a second, the Argentinian priest driver lays on the horn with one hand, and flips the lady an extended middle finger with the other hand.  I saw the lady's jaw drop, and I wanted to shrink down onto the floor of the back seat in embarassment. 

The other Argentinian priest in the passsenger seat looked back at me and said, "Argentinian style."

I'll bet that lady is still telling people that story today. 

I'll never forget her expression when that priest flippd her the bird.

"And in other news, priests have been found to actually still be human. Scientific community shocked."
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: 2Vermont on January 14, 2023, 08:15:12 AM
Of course it’s nothing compared to his heresies, but it gives the observer a glimpse into the corrupt and warped brain this degenerate has.
True.  In fact, this part of the OP report is way worse IMO:

The trainee priests were shocked when Francis also reportedly insisted that priests should never deny absolution to penitents in the confessional under any circuмstances.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Yeti on January 14, 2023, 01:00:49 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/mar/03/pope-francis-swears-vatican-blessing-video

Here Jorge's "blessing" at the Vatican consisted of telling the audience to "f**k off".
.

I don't like defending this guy, but this is a little silly. I think there is a lot of misconception about Italian profanity.

First of all, the word he used doesn't have the same meaning as the F word at all; it's an anatomical term.

Secondly, the F word is a very strong obscenity in English, whereas the word that Frank used is much more mild. I was in a cafe in Italy once, in a small town in a conservative rural community, and the sweet little old lady who ran the place was talking to a customer and concluded her remarks by saying casually, "Eh, che cazzo." If you were to look that expression up in the dictionary, it would tell you that she had said, "WTF." So, either the dictionary is wrong, or little old ladies in Italy go around cursing even worse than hoodlums in America. I think the former is more likely.

Similarly, we laugh at how the English are shocked at the word "bloody". Yet if we went over there and used that word, it would seem completely innocent to us, but it would be highly offensive to them.

Of course we should avoid bad language, but it's nearly impossible to translate profanity from one language to another.

By the way, I'm going to flag this thread to bring it up next time Gladius Veritatis shows up on here and starts hurling obscenities at people, and other members try to ignore or even defend his behavior. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Ladislaus on January 14, 2023, 04:08:31 PM
I don't like defending this guy, but this is a little silly. I think there is a lot of misconception about Italian profanity.

It's a joke, man.

Jr1991 found it as humorous as I did.
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/bergoglio-scandalizes-seminarians-with-f-bomb-tirade/msg866108/#msg866108

It's similar to that story of Archbishop Lefebvre, about which people later laughed.  In this case, it's funny because it fits with Bergoglio's character, and we could see him doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on January 14, 2023, 05:30:48 PM
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I don't like defending this guy, but this is a little silly. I think there is a lot of misconception about Italian profanity.

First of all, the word he used doesn't have the same meaning as the F word at all; it's an anatomical term.

Secondly, the F word is a very strong obscenity in English, whereas the word that Frank used is much more mild. I was in a cafe in Italy once, in a small town in a conservative rural community, and the sweet little old lady who ran the place was talking to a customer and concluded her remarks by saying casually, "Eh, che cazzo." If you were to look that expression up in the dictionary, it would tell you that she had said, "WTF." So, either the dictionary is wrong, or little old ladies in Italy go around cursing even worse than hoodlums in America. I think the former is more likely.

Similarly, we laugh at how the English are shocked at the word "bloody". Yet if we went over there and used that word, it would seem completely innocent to us, but it would be highly offensive to them.

Of course we should avoid bad language, but it's nearly impossible to translate profanity from one language to another.

By the way, I'm going to flag this thread to bring it up next time Gladius Veritatis shows up on here and starts hurling obscenities at people, and other members try to ignore or even defend his behavior. :facepalm:

I agree with what you wrote, especially that part about “dirty mouth” Gladius, however I believe that Lad was just writing that tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 15, 2023, 08:43:00 AM
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He is using sign language for “I love you”.   I love u satan hand sign. 
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: Incredulous on January 16, 2023, 09:09:08 AM
He is using sign language for “I love you”.  I love u satan hand sign.

As Bp. Williamson has lectured in the past, Bergy does these things because:

“It’s his Jєωιѕн nature.”
Title: Re: Bergoglio Scandalizes Seminarians with F-Bomb Tirade
Post by: 2Vermont on January 17, 2023, 10:50:04 AM
Did Bergolio really use the f word??
Demonic possession?  Bergolio says he and our Lord are communists.  Bergolio has used Masonic devil hand signs in the past.  That is really messed up.  We need a global exorcism.



:incense:
What about another D word....dementia?  I wonder if he will resign soon.  And if he does, I'm sure the Bennyvacantists will consider it more than legit.