Author Topic: Battle Hymn of the Republic in New Mess (Read 1421 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** February 09, 2017, 09:59:52 AM »

Last night I realized that this is what they would sing in the Novus Ordo when I used to go to the new mess. I suppose they still sing it.

I already knew that they use several Protestant songs in the "mass," but I didn't know this was a Protestant one as well. Made me even angrier.

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2017, 10:57:44 AM »

Until just now, I had not thought about this song in a liturgical sense for years. Indeed, when I was in the Novus Ordo, this was often the "recessional hymn" around certain U.S. holidays. This isn't the only one. I remember hearing, When the Saints Go Marching In and A Mighty Fortress Is Our God as well. Given enough time and thought, I suppose that I could come up a few other Protestant songs we used to sing in the Novus Ordo parishes.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:40:49 AM »

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Until just now, I had not thought about this song in a liturgical sense for years. Indeed, when I was in the Novus Ordo, this was often the "recessional hymn" around certain U.S. holidays. This isn't the only one. I remember hearing, When the Saints Go Marching In and A Mighty Fortress Is Our God as well. Given enough time and thought, I suppose that I could come up a few other Protestant songs we used to sing in the Novus Ordo parishes.

Yeah, I grew up in Latin America so it was a Spanish version of the hymn. The chorus is the same but the rest of the lyrics are different but it's the exact same tune.

I remember that when I used to go and didn't know anything, I still didn't really like it and never sung it with the rest of the people.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:52:53 AM »

In the 1970s, we used to sing this song during the hippy guitar Mass on Saturday nights:

Prayerful · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2017, 12:41:14 PM »

The New Mess was concocted by Concilium with the direct help and input of six Protestant Ministers, and Mgsr Bugnini wished to remove all obstacles to what he called 'our separated brethren.' It is Protestant by design. Protestant hymns suit it, this false Mass, this parody, and Reform of the Reform optimists who have it in Latin with ancient hymns of the Church are deluding themselves.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2017, 12:45:20 PM »

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'our separated brethren.'

I don't like this term, but I have seen it being used in dozens of pre-V2 sources, even by Pius IX or XI or both, think.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:30:38 PM »

Maybe I'm fortunate but I've never heard this before. It does nothing for me hearing it the first time. Just another guitar ditty like the others, Marty Haugen, et.al.

Quote from: TKGS

In the 1970s, we used to sing this song during the hippy guitar Mass on Saturday nights:

It goes on (and on and on) for EIGHT MINUTES.

From the comments area below the video:

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This song to me encapsulates Catholicism/Christianity and reminds me of Josef Pieper’s Only The Lover Sings: Art and Contemplation. Thank you Philip Lafleur. Thank you Nicholas Temple for the lyrics. Thank you all—we have something in common. ?

Student of Qi · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:31:51 PM »

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Quote from: Prayerful
'our separated brethren.'

I don't like this term, but I have seen it being used in dozens of pre-V2 sources, even by Pius IX or XI or both, think.

"If we don't share the same Mother then you are not my brother" is what we say in regards to Protestants.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2017, 11:39:36 PM »

I knew a Protestant convert to traditional Catholicism who spent the rest of his life spreading the message that we should NEVER use Protestant hymns in Catholic Mass because it's improper to God. But even on a purely human level, it's rude to converts because when they hear such things in the setting of Mass, they are struck with wondering why they converted if it's the same content they thought they had left behind.

When a convert hears "A mighty fortress is our God" or "Rock of ages" or "Amazing grace" or even the "doxology" (...For Thine is the kingdom, the power...) appended to the Our Father, he is reminded of all the teachings he learned among Protestants, which he has been trying to forget, and it all comes rushing back like a bad dream.

So out of respect for their journey, at a bear minimum, we must avoid such tunes.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2017, 12:31:35 AM »

(Battle Hymn of the Republic)

Quote from: Disputaciones

Last night I realized that this is what they would sing in the Novus Ordo when I used to go to the new mess. I suppose they still sing it.

I already knew that they use several Protestant songs in the "mass," but I didn't know this was a Protestant one as well. Made me even angrier.

A very common hymn as I recall in Novus Ordo settings used to be the theme from Beethoven's 9th ("choral") symphony. Funny -- that was a major element in Stanley Kubric's A Clockwork Orange.

They took the music, melody, and put new words in there to make it fit at Mass.

The real kicker is that's exactly what Martin Luther used to do. He took melodies from the bars in Germany and wrote in Bible verses so when men came to services Sunday morning they'd sit there grinning when the music reminded them of their drinking spree the night before.

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2017, 05:52:37 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Maybe I'm fortunate but I've never heard this before. It does nothing for me hearing it the first time. Just another guitar ditty like the others, Marty Haugen, et.al.

Quote from: TKGS
In the 1970s, we used to sing this song during the hippy guitar Mass on Saturday nights:

It goes on (and on and on) for EIGHT MINUTES.

It had to go on and on and on. It was sometimes sung during the Shaking of Hand Rite (I forget what they actually called it) where the hippie priest with the huge red-haired afro and the tie-dye vestments would shake hands with virtually everyone seated down the main aisle and some of the people in the front rows of the "in the round" church building.

Student of Qi · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2017, 09:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

(Battle Hymn of the Republic)
Quote from: Disputaciones

Last night I realized that this is what they would sing in the Novus Ordo when I used to go to the new mess. I suppose they still sing it.

I already knew that they use several Protestant songs in the "mass," but I didn't know this was a Protestant one as well. Made me even angrier.

A very common hymn as I recall in Novus Ordo settings used to be the theme from Beethoven's 9th ("choral") symphony. Funny -- that was a major element in Stanley Kubric's A Clockwork Orange.

They took the music, melody, and put new words in there to make it fit at Mass.

The real kicker is that's exactly what Martin Luther used to do. He took melodies from the bars in Germany and wrote in Bible verses so when men came to services Sunday morning they'd sit there grinning when the music reminded them of their drinking spree the night before.

I remember in a book on the life of St. Luis Grignion de Montefort that the tunes of the local country-side were good melodiclly but nasty lyrically, so he took the songs and rewrote them into religious ones to teach to the children, who caused them to spread to other places. Of course, I doubt he tried to make them part of the Mass.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2017, 10:33:40 AM »

I remember the televised funeral of Robert F. Kennedy at St. Patrick's
Cathedral in New York City in 1968 the Battle Hymn of the Republic
was sung at the end of the Mass. Many comments at the time
agreed that this was very unusual singing a basically a Protestant
Hymn at a Catholic Mass. I remember the hymn was insisted on
by the family of RFK.