We really need a sub-forum to put all the marijuana threads in one location.
Those that don't want to see these threads can make sure they place the sub-forum on ignore.
Catholics promoting the smoking of marijuana for recreation brings to mind a quote from Our Lady to Sister Mary of Agreda "close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world". There is nothing noble about recreational smoking of MJ, it is just another deceit of the world. Catholics, that is real Catholics, should aspire to ennoble their spirit. MJ is debasing, it is a scandal for Catholics to even say they smoke MJ for recreation, especially here on a public forum for all to read for years.
Mystical City of God by Sister Mary of Agreda Volume 3 page 67 & 68:
73. Come then, my daughter, come and follow me. And in order that thou mayest imitate me as I desire and that thy understanding may be properly enlightened, thy spirit sufficiently ennobled and prepared, and thy will inflamed, separate thyself from all earthly things as thy Spouse wishes; withdraw thyself from what is visible, forsake all the creatures, deny thyself, close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world (Ps. 39, 5).
Someone suggested the above which is better than nothing, however, my advice is to ban all discussion on marijuana.
There's also an ignore feature. You can ignore people that are really prideful, demeaning, presumptuous, cause detraction, and who is proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.There, fixed it.upsetting you. It's not a bad idea to use it.
now that you can't actually make rational refutation of the principles enunciated by an approved and well-respected pre-Vatican II moral theology, you want them banned?The writer lives in his own world, thinks his interpretation, his opinion on Jone is dogma. Unfortunately for him he is a nobody so no one will listen to him unless he posts a detailed article by a priest. I posted the SSPX article which is approved by the SSPX which has over 600 priest teaching it. The writer above comes back with the same line like a parrot repeating himself over and over.
I have spoken.What I wrote has nothing to do with "ignoring them if you do not like them". I was very precise and clear, in short "This is a Catholic forum, we are all trying to improve ourselves spiritually, MJ use is a deceit of the world, it is a scandal and debasing for Catholics to be identified as MJ smokers". If you want CI to be identified as a trad forum of dope smokers, which is a scandal to trads and potential converts looking in on CI, then that's your choice.
https://www.cathinfo.com/computers-and-technology/announcement-marijuana-threads/
Short version: If you don't like them, then for crying out loud IGNORE THEM and don't reply. I correct myself: STOP replying. Everyone complaining about these threads has been doing a LOUSY job of ignoring them, from what I can tell. Replying to a thread BUMPS it, bringing it back to the top! It keeps the thread alive, invites even more replies, etc.
And for heaven's sake don't argue with the creator of a thread you don't like! That just gives them a series of free thread BUMPS!
What do we teach our kids? Sometimes you have to be a big person and IGNORE them. Giving them attention is self-defeating for your cause.
There are few people who can argue with themselves for days or weeks on end -- they have to have someone to fight with. And again, if I saw someone bumping their own thread with fluff/nonsense just to keep it at the top, and no one was taking the bait, I might consider that spamming and deal with that member individually (yes, I'm talking about banning).
Someone suggested the above which is better than nothing, however, my advice is to ban all discussion on marijuana. The rare few here (I can count them on one hand) who want to smoke marijuana can go out into the world and find thousands of places and millions of people to talk about it. They are not needed here. One day they will regret everything they wrote, but for now, let them write it elsewhere. This is a Catholic forum we are all trying to improve ourselves spiritually, MJ use is a deceit of the world, it is a scandal and debasing for Catholics to be identified as MJ smokers. Trad Catholics for Marijuana use is an oxymoron.
I have spoken.Matthew is there a way to remove them from the Recent Topics list?
https://www.cathinfo.com/computers-and-technology/announcement-marijuana-threads/
Short version: If you don't like them, then for crying out loud IGNORE THEM and don't reply. I correct myself: STOP replying. Everyone complaining about these threads has been doing a LOUSY job of ignoring them, from what I can tell. Replying to a thread BUMPS it, bringing it back to the top! It keeps the thread alive, invites even more replies, etc.
And for heaven's sake don't argue with the creator of a thread you don't like! That just gives them a series of free thread BUMPS!
What do we teach our kids? Sometimes you have to be a big person and IGNORE them. Giving them attention is self-defeating for your cause.
There are few people who can argue with themselves for days or weeks on end -- they have to have someone to fight with. And again, if I saw someone bumping their own thread with fluff/nonsense just to keep it at the top, and no one was taking the bait, I might consider that spamming and deal with that member individually (yes, I'm talking about banning).
There, fixed it.No, what I said was sufficient.
I posted the SSPX article which is approved by the SSPX which has over 600 priest teaching it.Fr Scott is talking about a specific situation; the Church has NEVER issued a blanket ban on drugs, whether natural or synthetic, because the basic theological principle (which you cannot grasp) is that the litmus test of immorality = loss of reason.
Plenty of priests make the same distinctions as Ladislaus.
Such as whom?Good priests (plural) who don't deserve to be doxxed and subject to your hysterical mind-reading opprobrium.
I think we have a bunch of self-righteous busybodies, mostly women, who imprudently want to get involved with some of the more difficult moral questions, (an especially treacherous proposition given the apparent lack of authority during the Church’s Crisis) moral questions, which are FAR above their pay grade.
Fr Scott is talking about a specific situation; the Church has NEVER issued a blanket ban on drugs, whether natural or synthetic, because the basic theological principle (which you cannot grasp) is that the litmus test of immorality = loss of reason.
This is what Ladislaus has been saying for the last 2 weeks. Plenty of priests make the same distinctions as Ladislaus. Have you ever talked to any of them? Obviously not.
Such as whom?If the moral theologian and canon lawyer, Fr Heribert Jone, were alive today, some of you (if possible) would burn him at the stake for heresy. Goes to show your idiocy.
It's not just what I say. I got those distinctions from Jone, and they make perfect sense to me. They're right there in proverbial black-and-white.Right, Fr Jone = church teaching and you've gone out of your way to "dumb it down" but some still don't get it.
If the moral theologian and canon lawyer, Fr Heribert Jone, were alive today, some of you (if possible) would burn him at the stake for heresy. Goes to show your idiocy.
Right, Fr Jone = church teaching and you've gone out of your way to "dumb it down" but some still don't get it.
He was a pot advocate?
He was a pot advocate?
I asked for an example of a priest who teaches as Ladislaus teaches on the subject of pot. Still waiting.....
:facepalm: Typical Meg (What room did I just walk into?) post. :laugh2:
Please do name even one trad priest who advocates pot the way that forum members here do.
Please do name even one trad priest who advocates pot the way that forum members here do.
Please do name even one trad priest who advocates pot the way that forum members here do.
Good priests (plural) who don't deserve to be doxxed and subject to your hysterical mind-reading opprobrium.
But you are welcome to remind us about your first named source:
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/oct/26/coeur-dalene-man-jailed-on-1-million-bond-suspecte/
Good judgement on your part to cite such a wonderful authority on moral matters.
It's not just what I say. I got those distinctions from Jone, and they make perfect sense to me. They're right there in proverbial black-and-white. I never really thought much about the issue, since I've never used the stuff, until one of the early MJ threads here, so I looked it up in Jone, and what he wrote was perfectly reasonable and seemed unassailable. I have yet to see anything here that comes close to a refutation of the principles he laid out ... and I don't expect anything.
Why is it a sin? Due to the loss of reason.
Complete loss of reason is mortal sin ... unless there's a serious justification (e.g. extreme pain)
Partial loss of reason is a venial sin ... unless there's a less-serious justification (e.g. to relieve anxiety) ... provided there's no risk of serious addiction.
I'm not really sure what's so difficult to understand about this.
He was a pot advocate?Advocate = promotion = a lie. You're using the wrong word. It goes to show you have NO IDEA about basic, moral principles. You should be ashamed, but I'm not sure your IQ is high enough to comprehend your error.
Plenty of priests make the same distinctions as Ladislaus.If so where are their articles? Not a one trad priest or organization article have either of you posted. And do not slither in your "distinctions" claim that we are talking about two old hippies taking one toke in their home hidden from everyone. You obviously have not even read the SSPX article.
If so where are their articles? Not a one trad priest or organization article have either of you posted.:laugh2: You wouldn't understand the articles even if they wrote them. Your pride blinds you to any deviation from your own perspective.
And do not slither in your "distinctions" claim that we are talking about two old hippies taking one toke in their home hidden from everyone. You obviously have not even read the SSPX article.Your preconceived notion of MJ being a sin, in all cases, clouds your view of the matter. Your are biased beyond hope.
:laugh2: You wouldn't understand the articles even if they wrote them. Your pride blinds you to any deviation from your own perspective.That is all that the writer above is capable of offering the readers. Nothing. I'd tell him to take this to the SSPX article thread, but it is a waste of time because this is all he is going to write.
Your preconceived notion of MJ being a sin, in all cases, clouds your view of the matter. Your are biased beyond hope.
All you are capable of offering the readers is the above. Nothing.We'll see who has been persuasive:
If pot smoking is not a problem, then why hasn't any traditional priest said so?Simple question they have yet to answer. The ball has been on their court since I first posted the SSPX condemnation of pot smoking like one week ago, and they have not produced ONE article.
Pot advocates can reply in all sorts of silly ad hominems if they like (as usual), but that will not answer the question.
prurient, disordered, rabid, ignorant, illogical people as you exemplify.Well, that lady is standing all by herself and kicking your butt, while you and your todies get every ounce of your "courage" from the gang. She is more of a man than all of you eunuchs put together. All of you would have run away to mommy long ago, under the vile personal attacks you coward's spew forth upon the little lady.
:laugh2: You wouldn't understand the articles even if they wrote them. Your pride blinds you to any deviation from your own perspective.To be honest you aren’t too bright if you defend marijuana, Pax Vobis. You are full of pride. You think you are smarter than most. You think because you are a traditional Catholic and know this and that that you are better. It is your pride that blinds you. Get away from us, Satan.
Your preconceived notion of MJ being a sin, in all cases, clouds your view of the matter. Your are biased beyond hope.
To be honest you aren’t too bright if you defend marijuana.People like that can't function in the real world, where the rubber meets the road, they are like deer in front of headlights.
People like that can't function in the real world, where the rubber meets the road, they are like deer in front of headlights.My husband also says that these people can’t function in the real world. Most are sloth. On sundays they put on act of being holy rollers and in real life they embrace satan and his worldly pleasures. Their children rebel. Hard work is of God. It in the scriptures. It’s in the Douay-Rheims. Most Traditional Catholics have poor work ethics and even their children are lazy. I’m not judging. I have seen it. Many are looking for a handout instead of working. Much sloth.
Where the rubber meets the road, the real world:
Ladislaus and Pax Vobis types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine? We'll son that depends.................and on and on and on, never coming to any conclusion
Last Tradhican types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine?
Keep away from the stuff son, like you would a rattlesnake or the devil. Do not keep company with anyone that uses them. In my long experience, all the people I knew that smoked MJ, lost all their drive, and turned out to be total losers or at best under achievers. But even worse, it is really harmful to girls, for it opens them up bigtime to licentious behavior and they will take the men with them. Sins of the flesh are THE Sin that takes almost all mankind to hell. MJ is a piece of dung. Keep studying, working, and improving yourself your whole life, and surround yourself with others seeking the same. Avoid pot smokers like the plague, all they are, are people that can't handle life's problems without running away to medicate themselves. Remember your parents and grandparents who lost everything they had quite a few times and brushed it off as nothing and went back to do it again. THAT is what our family is all about!
If so where are their articles? Not a one trad priest or organization article have either of you posted. And do not slither in your "distinctions" claim that we are talking about two old hippies taking one toke in their home hidden from everyone. You obviously have not even read the SSPX article.
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
If pot smoking is not a problem, then why hasn't any traditional priest said so?
Pot advocates can reply in all sorts of silly ad hominems if they like (as usual), but that will not answer the question.
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
Simple question they have yet to answer. The ball has been on their court since I first posted the SSPX condemnation of pot smoking like one week ago, and they have not produced ONE article.
Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:" [Psalms 103:14 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=21&ch=103&l=14#x)] |
To be honest you aren’t too bright if you defend marijuana, Pax Vobis. You are full of pride. You think you are smarter than most. You think because you are a traditional Catholic and know this and that that you are better. It is your pride that blinds you. Get away from us, Satan.Catholicism according to VCR
Tradhican and Meg, you are going up against the demonic. Only satan’s fools would defend marijuana. It is Gluttony. Cigarettes, over eating, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, sex, etc. Too much pleasure seeking. Only the devil promotes it. He deceives people. The devil has infiltrated from Rome to even traditional chapels. These so called traditional Catholics might not be who they claim to be. They do the work of satan by instigating and provoking. They are dragging us down spiritually. Let us not dialogue with satan’s fools.
If we pray the Holy Rosary and read our Douay-Rheims etc, we will be saved from these demons.
People like that can't function in the real world, where the rubber meets the road, they are like deer in front of headlights.Prideful much?
Where the rubber meets the road, the real world:
Ladislaus and Pax Vobis types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine? We'll son that depends.................and on and on and on, never coming to any conclusion
Last Tradhican types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine?
Keep away from the stuff son, like you would a rattlesnake or the devil. Do not keep company with anyone that uses them. In my long experience, all the people I knew that smoked MJ, lost all their drive, and turned out to be total losers or at best under achievers. But even worse, it is really harmful to girls, for it opens them up bigtime to licentious behavior and they will take the men with them. Sins of the flesh are THE Sin that takes almost all mankind to hell. MJ is a piece of dung. Keep studying, working, and improving yourself your whole life, and surround yourself with others seeking the same. Avoid pot smokers like the plague, all they are, are people that can't handle life's problems without running away to medicate themselves. Remember your parents and grandparents who lost everything they had quite a few times and brushed it off as nothing and went back to do it again. THAT is what our family is all about!
My husband also says that these people can’t function in the real world. Most are sloth. On sundays they put on act of being holy rollers and in real life they embrace satan and his worldly pleasures. Their children rebel. Hard work is of God. It in the scriptures. It’s in the Douay-Rheims. Most Traditional Catholics have poor work ethics and even their children are lazy. I’m not judging. I have seen it. Many are looking for a handout instead of working. Much sloth.Presumption and extrapolations
Let’s not make the same mistakes as our grandparents, parents and great parents. Young people need to make God a priority over all things. They need to pray hard and work hard too.
God's Faith or Catholicism according to VCR, TL, and Meg?
My sons and daughters: Ora et labora
How can any of us evangelize as we should, if we aren’t living the faith ouselves?
Not all herbs are equal. Many plants and flowers are poisonous.Humans considered many plants poisonous until we found out how to use them: "herb for the service of men".
By their fruits or lack of, you will know them.Indeed.
I never quoted any SSPX priest. Especially the former law enforcement officer turned traditional priest who condoned sex abuse of a child. Silence and indifference to sin.. where is the outrage from the laity?? “Whom am I to judge”?
Any Catholic priest who didn’t protect a child from sex abuse is not “lazy”, he is a monster himself. He is a public accomplice to sin. He publicly admitted to refuse to help a child who was sɛҳuąƖly abused because he was protecting the pervert.
Many perverts within the SSPX per Church Militant investigations.
Because there is much silence and enabling from hierarchy, many good Catholics are unaware of such imposters within the society.
By their fruits or lack of, you will know them.
Many are embracing the lies of modernism. When most traditional Catholic clergy, religious and leadership don’t condemn a satanic jab with connection to aborted babies, the laity will lose the faith gradually. If you are seeing young people coming to Mass high or young girls dressed immodestly Mass, there are problems with living the faith. Already there are traditional Catholics who follow their own religion of marijuana. The Catholic Faith starts with God and the family.
People like that can't function in the real world, where the rubber meets the road, they are like deer in front of headlights.
Where the rubber meets the road, the real world:
Ladislaus and Pax Vobis types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine? We'll son that depends.................and on and on and on, never coming to any conclusion
Last Tradhican types - Dad, is it Ok to smoke marijuana and snort cocaine?
Keep away from the stuff son, like you would a rattlesnake or the devil. Do not keep company with anyone that uses them. In my long experience, all the people I knew that smoked MJ, lost all their drive, and turned out to be total losers or at best under achievers. But even worse, it is really harmful to girls, for it opens them up bigtime to licentious behavior and they will take the men with them. Sins of the flesh are THE Sin that takes almost all mankind to hell. MJ is a piece of dung. Keep studying, working, and improving yourself your whole life, and surround yourself with others seeking the same. Avoid pot smokers like the plague, all they are, are people that can't handle life's problems without running away to medicate themselves. Remember your parents and grandparents who lost everything they had quite a few times and brushed it off as nothing and went back to do it again. THAT is what our family is all about!
Res ipsa loquitur.
I'm not a teetotaler. It's not really a Catholic thing to be.
If I recall correctly, it was Fr. Crane (whom some here don't like, and I understand why) who gave a good comparison, in a sermon, of alcohol and marijuana. Alcohol is used for several reasons. However, it is considered appropriate, by the Church, to use alcohol in moderation. Getting so drunk as to lose control of one's senses is a mortal sin. Getting slightly drunk is a venial sin. However, alcohol if used to just relax is fine. Pot, on the other hand (as Fr. Crane said) is used mainly to get high.
Of course there are medical reasons for using pot, but that excuse is over-used today in order to justify its use, in my opinion. I expect that your opinion, Mark, will be different. That's okay.
True, Viva.Who was talking about MJ saving humanity?!
It is disturbing that at least one of the pot advocates here has made a religion (as you mention above) of marijuana, and is on a crusade to have it normalized. In reality, marijuana is snake oil disguised as a miracle substance given by God to save humanity. There are those who believe that it has miraculous or supernatural powers, which is a little too close to believing in the occult. Such thinking is not of God.
Marijuana cannot save humanity. Only Our Lord can do that.
Yes, so true! What you describe about marijuana above is true. I saw it when in high school in the '70's, and later with family members who smoked pot. One cannot improve their life if they smoke pot. Quite the opposite. And it leads to sin.Wrong. MJ use can be tempered, exactly like alcohol use. And MJ has so many beneficial qualities, unlike alcohol.
Wrong. MJ use can be tempered, exactly like alcohol use. And MJ has so many beneficial qualities, unlike alcohol.
My goodness, you certainly spent a lot of time on your list, Mark. Thank you for posting my opinions on the subject. Saves me time.Embrace your sins and hypocrisy—the Meg thing to do.
Embrace your sins and hypocrisy—the Meg thing to do.
Embracing presumption of the interior forum of others: objectively sinful
Embracing prurience: objectively sinful
Calumny (lying about what others have actually said): objectively sinful
Who was talking about MJ saving humanity?!This is very disrespectful. Go get a job.
Go bake a cake, Meg.
This is very disrespectful. Go get a job.
Meg, is this poster even 18 years old??
Another lie (objectively sinful): you are not "just" speaking about MJ. You are also:
Nope. Just speaking out your pro-pot agenda. Not sinful. It's being a stoner that's sinful.
I repeat: it isn't sinful to speak out against pot. Being a stoner is sinful.You repeat. I repeat.
Another lie (objectively sinful): you are not "just" speaking about MJ. You are also:
• Embracing presumption of the interior forum of others: objectively sinful
• Embracing prurience: objectively sinful
• Committing calumny (lying about what others have actually said): objectively sinful
prurient
• constant harping on the “true intent” of medical patients to “get high,” piling on to LT’s habitual “leg spreader” obsession
“sins of the flesh, but they seem to believe that because they are trads and attend the TLM, that this will make them holy, and not subject to the laws and justice of Our Lord.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813628/#msg813628 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813628/#msg813628)
disordered
• habitually reads the interior forum of medical patients, “true intent" to "get high"
• habitually reads the interior forum of opponents, true intent to "make Catholicism look bad," advance occultism/satanism, etc. [see the numerous insane accusations cited below]
• habitually reads the interior forum of strangers, including the Catholic world at large
“Fitting in with the world is a good thing to many trads… Most give in.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/pope-to-consecrate-russiaukraine-on-march-25!/msg813582/#msg813582 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/pope-to-consecrate-russiaukraine-on-march-25!/msg813582/#msg813582)
rabid, hysterical
“he seems mentally unbalanced… mentally unhinged” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/spewing-bitter-vile-personal-attacks/msg817027/#msg817027 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/spewing-bitter-vile-personal-attacks/msg817027/#msg817027)
“Mark 79 is a bully and a brute” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812838/#msg812838 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812838/#msg812838)
“crusade … marijuana is snake oil disguised as a miracle substance given by God to save humanity… it has miraculous or supernatural powers, which is a little too close to believing in the occult. Such thinking is not of God. Marijuana cannot save humanity. Only Our Lord can do that.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ban-marijuana-discussions-from-ci/msg817018/#msg817018 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ban-marijuana-discussions-from-ci/msg817018/#msg817018)
“on a crusade to show that pot can only be used for good” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/alasdair-crowley's-use-of-cannabis-in-occult-ritual/msg816837/#msg816837 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/alasdair-crowley's-use-of-cannabis-in-occult-ritual/msg816837/#msg816837)
“most pharisaical of all” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/people-smoked-weed-before-mass/msg816400/#msg816400 (https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/people-smoked-weed-before-mass/msg816400/#msg816400)
“…Mark79 is intentionally and knowingly trying to make Traditional Catholicism look bad” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813886/#msg813886 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813886/#msg813886)
“If [traditional Catholics] were truly looking for sanctity, they would not support someone like [Mark 7:9]. But they do. Meaning that they (at least on this forum) are not any better than Novus Ordo Catholics. …they are not Catholic.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813883/#msg813883 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813883/#msg813883)
“…yes, the type of vitriol that Mark79 dishes out does reveal who he truly is; hence, perhaps, the recent posting by him on this thread - in order to make himself look like a really nice guy (which he clearly isn't). Trouble is, most of the forum members like it. They like (even the forum owner) the nastiness of Mark79. They can't get enough of it.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813878/#msg813878 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813878/#msg813878)
“many of the forum members seem to enjoy it when he insults others in an extreme manner.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813875/#msg813875 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813875/#msg813875)
“So pot isn't necessary for salvation? Are you sure about that?” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813676/#msg813676 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813676/#msg813676)
“But then we do have a resident manipulator and bully on this forum who enforces this assumption, and who strives to ensure that NO ONE goes against his directives.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813316/#msg813316 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813316/#msg813316)
“You know, you needn't be afraid to admit that you have Zionist parents.” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/world-war-3-folks/msg812657/#msg812657 (https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/world-war-3-folks/msg812657/#msg812657)
Agreed with: “Mark 79, you're as phony as Obama's birth certificate … humiliate, demoralize and degrade the unfortunate catholic reader/ viewer. You're a crypto Jєω.” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/this-whole-ukraine-thing-stinks/msg812416/#msg812416 (https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/this-whole-ukraine-thing-stinks/msg812416/#msg812416)
ignorant
• ignores dozens of cited studies showing the safety and benefits of MJ
• relies on personal experiences, ignores large-scale, placebo-controlled double-blind studies
“I saw it when in high school in the '70's, and later with family members who smoked pot. One cannot improve their life if they smoke pot. Quite the opposite. And it leads to sin. “ https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ban-marijuana-discussions-from-ci/msg817019/#msg817019 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ban-marijuana-discussions-from-ci/msg817019/#msg817019)
“I had pothead friends” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813641/#msg813641 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813641/#msg813641)
“I cannot cite anything other than my personal experience with potheads (plural, not singular).” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812654/#msg812654 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812654/#msg812654)
illogical
• pretends that the safety and benefits of MJ shown in medical studies is irrelevant to social use of MJ
• has not acknowledged the greater toxicity of alcohol
• cites a med school dropout for medical matters, denies peer-reviewed studies
• cites a pederast enabler who violated the law requiring reporting of sɛҳuąƖ abuse for moral theology, denies a moral theologian and canonist
insane straw man caricatures
“Everything should be legal, in your view, with no restrictions or special taxes.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813665/#msg813665 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813665/#msg813665)
“trads believe themselves to be above the law?” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813633/#msg813633 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813633/#msg813633)
“saying that there's nothing wrong with smoking pot recreationally” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813439/#msg813439 (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813439/#msg813439)
“traditional Catholics here find it offensive that some of us do not agree that recreational pot-smoking is a good thing, and not a problem at all.”
“Both Sedism and potheadism are novelities, supported by supposed trads.… The Bully are sedes.
” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812854/#msg812854 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812854/#msg812854)
“Who is it that paid you to interview hundreds of MJ users?” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812649/#msg812649 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812649/#msg812649)
connects MJ with sedevacantism
“…five downvotes, but I suspect that it's from Mark 79's fellow sedes. They don't want their boy to be 'dissed. “ https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812839/#msg812839 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812839/#msg812839)
“If you were not a sede, would you really have that opinion [on MJ]?” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812838/#msg812838 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812838/#msg812838)
connects MJ with abortion https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812837/#msg812837 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812837/#msg812837)
You repeat. I repeat.
Why can't you allow anyone to disagree with you on the issue of pot and stoners?
You have been free and remain free to disagree and to be disagreeable.
Do you expect to do both without resistance?
Your disagreement is as obsessive as it is fact-free. Why is that?
You are interested in the MJ issue. I am interested in the MJ issue.
YOU attack while claiming victimhood:
“he seems mentally unbalanced… mentally unhinged” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/spewing-bitter-vile-personal-attacks/msg817027/#msg817027
“Mark 79 is a bully and a brute” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/marijuana-use-sinful-for-catholics/msg812838/#msg812838
“crusade … marijuana is snake oil disguised as a miracle substance given by God to save humanity… it has miraculous or supernatural powers, which is a little too close to believing in the occult. Such thinking is not of God. Marijuana cannot save humanity. Only Our Lord can do that.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/ban-marijuana-discussions-from-ci/msg817018/#msg817018
“on a crusade to show that pot can only be used for good” https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/alasdair-crowley's-use-of-cannabis-in-occult-ritual/msg816837/#msg816837
“most pharisaical of all” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/people-smoked-weed-before-mass/msg816400/#msg816400
“…Mark79 is intentionally and knowingly trying to make Traditional Catholicism look bad” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813886/#msg813886
“If [traditional Catholics] were truly looking for sanctity, they would not support someone like [Mark 7:9]. But they do. Meaning that they (at least on this forum) are not any better than Novus Ordo Catholics. …they are not Catholic.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813883/#msg813883
“…yes, the type of vitriol that Mark79 dishes out does reveal who he truly is; hence, perhaps, the recent posting by him on this thread - in order to make himself look like a really nice guy (which he clearly isn't). Trouble is, most of the forum members like it. They like (even the forum owner) the nastiness of Mark79. They can't get enough of it.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813878/#msg813878
“many of the forum members seem to enjoy it when he insults others in an extreme manner.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/please-pray-for-mark79/msg813875/#msg813875
“So pot isn't necessary for salvation? Are you sure about that?” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/oxymoron-catholics-for-recreational-use-of-marijuana/msg813676/#msg813676
“But then we do have a resident manipulator and bully on this forum who enforces this assumption, and who strives to ensure that NO ONE goes against his directives.” https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/what's-the-purpose-of-smoking-marijuana-for-recreation/msg813316/#msg813316
“You know, you needn't be afraid to admit that you have Zionist parents.” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/world-war-3-folks/msg812657/#msg812657
Agreed with: “Mark 79, you're as phony as Obama's birth certificate … humiliate, demoralize and degrade the unfortunate catholic reader/ viewer. You're a crypto Jєω.” https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/this-whole-ukraine-thing-stinks/msg812416/#msg812416
You obsessively post subjective presumptions about the intent and sinfulness of others. Attribute outrageous straw man arguments that none of us have made.
I rebut with peer-reviewed studies and verbatim quotes.
Should interested readers be left with only your emotionalism and deceptions?
I say: "Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts."
You have an agenda to promote the use of pot among trads. I do have a problem with that. You make being stoned seem completely normal. The medical use of pot is limited. It doesn't matter how many papers you cite. How many of the authors of your studies are traditional Catholics?
There you go again—lying.
I promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases.
I tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles.
I have been quite clear from my earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse).
I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."
Quite the contrary to your lie, we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.).
Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm.
That is just a lie.
It is obvious that you do not limit your support to just the so-called medical use of pot. You are not being honest.
Quote verbatim such unlimited "support" or be known for the hysterical liar you are.
So you cannot quote verbatim even a single instance of me or anyone promoting unlimited "support" for use of marijuana.
There you go again—lying.
I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases.
I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles.
I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse).
I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."
Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.).
Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm.
That is just a lie.
You are objectively a liar.
There you go again—lying.
I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases.
I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles.
I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse).
I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."
Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.).
Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm.
That is just a lie.
If my alleged "support" for unqualified use if MJ was as "obvious" as you claim, it would take less than 1 minute to provide a verbatim quote.
You are a habitual liar.
I'm not going to look up your posts. I provided the example from memory (about my brother), and you chose to ignore it. I don't have to play by your rules.So your post about your brother is your "proof" of what I think?
There you go again—lying.
I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases.
I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles.
I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse).
I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."
Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.).
Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm.
That is just a lie.
So your post about your brother is your "proof" of what I think?
Such insanity only demonstrates how deeply disordered you are in projecting your insanities and sins on others.
There you go again—lying.
I/we promote the appropriate and judicious medical use of MJ for people suffering serious, even life-threatening, diseases.
I/we tolerate the appropriate and judicious social use of MJ according to established moral theology principles.
I/we have been quite clear from my/our earliest posts that there are some people for whom MJ use is inappropriate (e.g., schizophrenics, people with susceptibility to substance abuse).
I have never, nobody here has ever, made "being stoned seem completely normal."
Quite the contrary to your layers of lies, I/we have consistently and repeatedly stated that to lose one's inhibition or reason is objectively sinful (except as moral theology allows for treatment of severe pain, etc.).
Instead of addressing these carefully circuмscribed positions, you have raged with bizarre caricatures as now, claiming I/we promote global use of MJ as the norm.
That is just a lie.
Yes, probably quite young. But I expect pot supporters to be immature, whatever their age. Goes with the territory.Embracing presumption of the interior forum of others: objectively sinful
I repeat: it isn't sinful to speak out against pot. Being a stoner is sinful.I don't think anyone, on any thread, has supported "being a stoner".
Your disagreement is as obsessive as it is fact-free.:laugh1::laugh2:
It is obvious that you do not limit your support to just the so-called medical use of pot. You are not being honest.You have very poor reading comprehension. That or you reply to posts without even reading them. Either way you should stop and go help VCR bake a cake.
Reported to moderator.:laugh1: "Daddy, he's being mean (truthful)!"
I don't think anyone, on any thread, has supported "being a stoner".
When there is war and people are dying, people here in this country have lost their homes, jobs and businesses etc. and all our elected officials can only do is plan on making marijuana and sodomy, full term abortion the law of the land, it’s not a good thing.
I think that when times get tough, I mean really tough, as they surely will, the priorities of pot advocates may change. I hope so.From the person who complains about down thumbs and posts.
I think that when times get tough, i mean really tough, as they shirly will, the priorities of the pot detractors may change. I hope so== :laugh2:
Many parents who smoked cigarettes had children who ended up smoking because they watched their parents. Children who watch their parents smoke marijuana and drink booze could end up as addicts. Same thing with food. If parents are eating junk food and child will end up being unhealthy.So parents who smoke cigarettes will have children who smoke, but parents who drink could have addicts?
I don’t think Jesus was drinking wine everyday or smoking marijuana. He did change water into wine at a wedding. He went to the desert to pray and fast. We also know He did stop at a well for water.
Many parents who smoked cigarettes had children who ended up smoking because they watched their parents. Children who watch their parents smoke marijuana and drink booze could end up as addicts. Same thing with food. If parents are eating junk food and child will end up being unhealthy.Viva: You have to stop making every third conversation you have on this forum about pot. You're so against it like the fake moral citizen you are, but you're obsessed with it.
I don’t think Jesus was drinking wine everyday or smoking marijuana. He did change water into wine at a wedding. He went to the desert to pray and fast. We also know He did stop at a well for water.
Viva: You have to stop making every third conversation you have on this forum about pot. You're so against it like the fake moral citizen you are, but you're obsessed with it.If the few potheads and useful idiots like the writer above on this thread weren't obsessed themselves Viva would not have to write anything. She is standing toe to toe with like 6 of you cowards. Pot smoking is a scandal to Catholics, so get used to it, the scandal isn't going away just because you've conveniently convinced yourselves that it is not a sin, so you do not have to reveal your use to a priest.
Oh, and also admit that your arguments are puritanical manure that come from the Church of Self, and move on.
To be honest you aren’t too bright if you defend marijuana.