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Offline Magdalene

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Bad luck or coincidence?
« on: April 24, 2007, 03:30:30 AM »
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  • Is there a source to our misfortunes in life (what we call "bad luck") or is it all just random happenings.

    I believe there are five possible sources to the experience of an apparent "if I had no bad luck I'd have no luck at all":

    1) The Coincidence of Life
    2) The Coincidence of Perception
    3) Faulty Behavioral Patterns (of self or others)
    4) Faulty Decision-Making (of self or others)
    5) Demonic Harassment

     

    1) The Coincidence of Life refers to the fact that we live in a fallen world and "life happens." Even if we seem to get the short end of the stick most of the time it may still technically fall within the mathematical probabilities of coincidence. The bottomline is that we all suffer from the normal travails of life, some more than others. The problems of a car that keeps breaking down, for instance, may come from this in that he one may hhave bought a "lemon" and thus repeated problems happen.

    2) The Coincidence of Perception refers to the normal human phenomena of "selective perception" (taking notice of something to the exclusion of other things). For example, I have had people tell me that they recently began to notice the number "5" wherever they go. They wondered if this meant something. All that it means is that somewhere along the line their attention was directed to the number "5" and now they are noticing "5's" all over the place (of course those "5's" were always there, they just did not notice them before). This phenomenon is often referred to as a person "has 5's (or whatever) on the brain."

    Another aspect of this is that it seems to be human nature to notice negative events more than positive events. Thus, our "bad luck" may appear extensive only because it is the negative circuмstances that we remember.

    There is an old gospel song, "Count your blessings one by one." We tend to not do that. Instead we are more likely to count our tribulations.

    Thus our "bad luck" may be perceptual in that we are perceiving only the bad and are not noticing the blessings, which if we counted may actually outnumber the bad things.

    3) Faulty Behavioral patterns account for a lot of the things that happen to us. The tires on our car may go flat not because of "bad luck" but because we do not perform the proper maintenance checks on our automobiles. We lose our keys over and over again just when we are in a hurry to get to a meeting because we are careless about where we put the keys when we come home.

    These behavioral problems can be easily solved: do the proper maintenance check on our cars; get in the habit of putting the keys on e a nail by the door immediately when coming home.

    Such behavioral "bad luck" may run through a family from generation to generation because these bad habits and the like are learned by children from watching their parents.

    In addition to our own behavior that causes us problems, the bad habits and behavior of other people can affect our lives too. We might miss an important bill because the postman was careless and delivered our bill to the wrong address. The plumbing may leak because the plumber was thinking about his girlfriend and not paying attention to his work.

    Bottomline, behavior, most of it subtle and unconscious, is the primary reason why things happen the way they happen.

    4) Related to Faulty Behavior is faulty decision-making. If our problems are not a direct result of behavioral issues then they most likely result from bad decisions. Often those bad things that seem to consistently plague our lives are a result of consistently making bad decisions. We may spend too much money, use too much credit, consistently choose the wrong person to date, procrastinate, etc. and then wonder why things do not work out the way we would like.

    5) The last category is that we may actually be harassed by demons. There does exist such things as a "family curse." There does exist such things as demonic harassment. A family who seems to have a constant "black cloud" over their household, who seems to always get the short end of the stick, may be under some sort of harassment. But, all explanations need to be explored.

    To make matters more complicated, it is also possible that the explanation to our problems is a combination of any two or more of these five possibilities.

    When we are confronted with this experience we need to examine ourselves to make sure that we ourselves are not contrubiting to the problem:

    a) Take note of possible behavior or decision-making issues that may contribute to the "bad luck."

    b) Be aware of perceptual issues that may make things appear significant when they are not, or cause us to take note of only the bad things without balancing the good things.

    We must also realize that sometimes our problems are just life hitting us in the face.

    If there is any suspicion that demonic harassment is involved (alone or in combination with the other four explanations) then respond by praying the Rosary, frequenting the sacraments, etc...

    Keep in mind, however, that even with living a good Christian life, saying ones prayers, offering devotions, and praying spiritual warfare prayers that sometimes things will not improve.

    There are times that we may "need" to experience trials and tribulations. It may be what keeps us close to God. It is not unusual for human beings to stay close to God when there are troubles and to stray away from Him when things are going well. This is the "no atheists in a foxhole" idea. The Church herself tends to thrive under persecution rather than when things are comfortable and peaceful.

    We have an example of this in the Bible (2 Cor 12:7-10). St. Paul had a "messenger of Satan" that harassed him. He asked God three times to remove this messenger. Three times God said no. The Lord told St. Paul: "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."

    St. Paul responded with: "I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong."

    We learn from this that it is okay to ask God for relief from the harassment. We also learn that it is possible that God will not relieve us from the harassment and that we must accept this and trust in our Lord.

    There are times when we must be "content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong."

    Ask God for relief from the trials, but be willing to accept a "no" answer. Be willing to accept that perhaps the trials are needed in order to keep you humble, in order to keep you trusting in Him, in order to teach you the His grace is sufficient and nothing else is needed. If you allow it, these hardships will make your faith stronger.




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    Bad luck or coincidence?
    « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 11:44:59 PM »
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  • "Good things and evil, life and death, poverty and riches, are from God." - Ecclesiasticus, XI.14

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    Bad luck or coincidence?
    « Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 12:32:51 AM »
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  • Maybe. I don't know. I didn't write this - it was written by Bro. Ignatius, who has shown apparantly been shown to be wrong on many things (read my posts on The Flood, alternative medicines, what neo-Catholics think of Latin and traiditonal Catholics, etc...).

    So, are you saying that none of the 4 reasons he gives can EVER be possible reasons for what may appear to be "bad luck"?

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    Bad luck or coincidence?
    « Reply #3 on: April 25, 2007, 10:06:44 AM »
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  • The "bad" things that happen to us in life are God allowing us a small share in His Passion, as such they are a great gift and sign of his mercy.  

    Suffering is a fundamental part of our existence in this life, we cannot avoid it forever rather we must accept it as Job accepted it and help each other through it as Christian love requires, through this not only the sufferer but those who aid that person gain great grace and are given the opportunity to please God.  

    If there was no suffering then there would be no opportunity to practice charity, how marvelous God is to turn the bad into something good

    There is no such thing as bad luck or coincidence, such ideas lead to superstitious practices which are forbidden as the evils they are as such things deny God's power.    

    The reason for "bad luck" is God, it is only because we do not understand His ways that we consider it bad, even the Demons obey God, though it is against their will.

    The bottom line is nothing happens without God allowing it, if He didn't want something to happen it simply wouldn't, this is what is meant when we say God is Almighty He created all that is seen and unseen through the Word and he could uncreate any part or even the whole just as easily.
    adstiterunt reges terrae et principes convenerunt in unum adversus Dominum et adversus Christum eius diapsalma disrumpamus vincula eorum et proiciamus a nobis iugum ipsorum

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    Bad luck or coincidence?
    « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2007, 11:54:12 PM »
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  • I understand the whole thing about suffering. And I know that nothing happens without God allowing it. But just as evil does not come from God but can happen because of people's free will (ie. murder) can we not also say that certain bad things can happen purely because of coincidence or one of the 4 reasons given by Bro. Ignatius? For instance, if I keep on tripping over things on a daily basis, that does not mean that God made me trip. It could been that I am just clumsy and don't pay attention to where I'm treading. Now of course, God could have prevented me from tripping by having my guardian angel remove the object that made me trip. But God allowing me to trip is not the same as my causing my tripping. Or sometimes there are just coincidences in life - for instance due to the laws of probability. For instance, what about a person who wins the 100 million lottery. I am sure some of the lotto winners were sinful people living evil lives or were people whom God knew would use the money for evil purposes. They won the lotto not because God made them win, but because of chance - they happened to pick the right numbers due to the laws of probability. God did not make them win the money - but he allowed it.

    So, what I am saying is that the 4 reasons Bro. Ignatius gave could be valid reasons for our "bad luck". But God allows the bad to happen for our own good, as you wrote about.


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    Bad luck or coincidence?
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 07:11:50 AM »
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  • But the law of probability itself was made by God, all things ultimately come from Him.
    adstiterunt reges terrae et principes convenerunt in unum adversus Dominum et adversus Christum eius diapsalma disrumpamus vincula eorum et proiciamus a nobis iugum ipsorum