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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: alaric on September 23, 2018, 07:27:56 AM
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Baby Boomers -- I could make a topic on that group alone.
You should. And I apologize if I offend some of our elder trads (which I'm not far off, believe me) who have been trying and doing the right thing all these years. But, in my estimation, there has never been a more self-centered, selfish, phoney group of spoiled ingrates in the history of civilization, outside maybe the decadent Romans and some other empires. And even then, it was only a smaller sect of upper society and elitists that enjoyed such lavish and affluent lifestyles with total disregard for the next generation, even their own children. Crass materialism and a sense of entitlement could not more correctly define this herd of "me-firsters". And maybe it's just that they lived in such good times of wealth and opportunity and within fallen human nature not not give a crap about anything or anyone else, but the majority of them were really pathetic and help bring down this nation and the Church at large.
And think about the fruits of all this "freedom", money and selfishness they brought upon us; Abortion, Contraception,Feminism, Liberalism, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity normalization, Open Borders, etc.
They also sucked up all the pensions, social security, well paying jobs, etc. And then moved on to live the high life "retiring" in their early to mid 50's down in Florida or down "South" or out "West" somewhere, totally isolating themselves from their children and grandchildren (if they had any at all) so they could live out the rest of their selfish days with others like themselves. Hence "retirement communities". what a pathetic display of anti-family values if there ever was one.
And i'm just getting started. So go ahead Matthew and start a topic on this group (Matter of fact I will), I have a whole truckload to bring.
Sorry for the rant, but this one is personal.
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Well, it's just that they brought in or made popular SO many bad things:
* 30 year mortgage, which you pay on for 30 years (no paying off early!)
* Sending kids to public school and/or daycare
* They went along with the entire vaccination schedule, even though it was much tamer (fewer shots) than the one they use today.
* In general, Boomers are extremely mainstream about everything. They never step outside the lines, question the way everyone does things, or think outside the box.
* Formula feeding of infants instead of breastfeeding
* Curious limitation of family size to 3-4 children, even among Traditional Catholics
* Very liberal with regards to TV use, child companions, and child-rearing in general: very hands-off or on the liberal side of the spectrum (the exact opposite of over-sheltering children)
* Very liberal in terms of traditional gender roles: more often than not, the wife worked, even if it's just to raise the standard of living (see "Middle-class lifestyle")
* Baby Boomers were the original suckers who bought into the "American dream" and/or the "Middle-class lifestyle"
* Baby Boomers have a hangup about deserving a higher standard of living the older they get. Their pride bristles at reducing their expenses (even if economically necessary) because it would mean "living like a 20 year old". "I worked my butt off for 30 years..." and all that. They feel that entitles them to a certain level of luxury and comfort.
* Very selfish and nuclear: They continued/perpetuated the whole "nuclear family" idea. That is to say, each person should start his own household and be independent of other family members, except for one's own children and one's spouse. That is as much "family" as should live together, at least ideally.
* Related to the previous, these Boomers (possibly continued, they might not have invented it) the whole "kick out your son when he turns 18".
* Unlike Hispanic and other cultures, the independence mindset extends to one's grown children: Baby Boomer parents don't concern themselves with the overall or long-term welfare of their extended family. Each person is on their own vs. the dog-eat-dog world. That's why the Bankers have a field day making money off most White middle class people. Compare with Hispanic culture: parents make sure the children are set up well, loaning them money interest-free on their first house, giving them a old used car, stuff like that, so they don't start out life saddled by high-interest debt. In general, extended family members look out for each other in other cultures, but never among Baby Boomers.
* Inflating the stock market, real estate like a ponzi scheme (whether or not it was their fault, they certainly were the winners in both of these ponzi schemes, and this bonus wealth certainly affected them)
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Biggest issue is their limiting of children ... all in line with their extreme selfishness. By doing so, they will soon become an unsustainable burden on the economy. It's easier financially for 6-8 children to care for their parents than for 1-2.
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You can replace "I say" with "Trads believe" or "Most Trads believe".
I say "Traditional Catholic Faith", Boomers let the Novus Ordo take over and thrive.
Seriously, the whole thing happened on their watch. If they had all rejected it, the Novus Ordo would be ghost town by now. Even worse, the fiercest "conservative" force to keep and defend the Novus Ordo religion is made up of Baby Boomers. All the other generations are at least craning their neck to look at the Traditional world and former Catholic practices/beliefs, the Tridentine Mass, etc. Not the Baby Boomers; they want no part of "the way the Church used to be". These polyester pantsuit wearing, extraordinary minister, feminist, sentiment-over-reason, "I love being a lector during Mass" Baby Boomers will have none of it.
I say, "Big Pharma is poisoning America", Boomers completely believe in Big Pharma's magic drugs and have 20 bottles of them on their kitchen counter.
I say, "The country has fallen so low over the past 50 years", and it was all on the Boomers' watch!
I say, "Abortion is a sin crying to heaven for vengeance", Boomers presided over its legalization, and continued legality until the present day.
I say "Breastfeeding is natural and best for the baby", Boomers always preferred formula feeding.
I say, "Females should wear skirts or dresses", Boomers continued the custom of women wearing pants almost exclusively.
I say "Women should stay at home with the kids unless it's an emergency.", Boomers prefer women to work, merely to increase standard of living, unless it's an emergency.
I say "Many or most vaccines are harmful.", Boomers vaccinated their children 100% of the vaccination schedule that existed at the time.
I say "Public school is antagonistic to religion and the truth. Home school is necessary!", Boomers almost without exception public-schooled their children.
I say "We need to avoid paying interest as much as possible.", Boomers institutionalized the 30 year mortgage which they pay on for all 30 years.
I say "Midwives know way more about how to birth a baby successfully than doctors.", Boomers didn't give midwives much business at all. Hospital delivery all the way.
I say "The stock market is a ponzi scheme", the Boomers are the ones who went all-in and pumped it up. They "got in on the ground floor" of the scheme.
I say "Children are the highest blessing, and shouldn't be limited by natural OR artificial means.", virtually all Boomers agreed that 4 children was the upper limit -- the first generation to limit family size to anything less than "the natural average" (in other words, Boomers always have more siblings than children)
I say "It's not good to spoil one's children materially", Boomers invented the "each kid gets his own room with private TV"
I say "College is not ideal for all -- some should do vocational school, apprenticeship, etc.", Boomers think everyone should go to college and they often pay their child's way, since he didn't get good enough grades for a scholarship (if you ask me, that's a red flag he isn't meant for "higher education")
In short, countless messed up (from a Catholic perspective) institutions today were invented, supported, cultivated, grown, etc. thanks to the support and patronage of the Boomer generation.
Source: personal experience with hundreds of Baby Boomers in my lifetime, plus even more experience gained through reading.
Note: This does not apply to every single Baby Boomer, but it certainly is an accurate generalization of that generation. If you can show me that I'm wrong about any of these things, I'd be open to listen. But note that the exception proves the rule.
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Biggest issue is their limiting of children ... all in line with their extreme selfishness. By doing so, they will soon become an unsustainable burden on the economy. It's easier financially for 6-8 children to care for their parents than for 1-2.
Yes.
But the large family trend
Did not last. I don't see large young families anymore.
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Yes.
But the large family trend
Did not last. I don't see large young families anymore.
Not everyone is fertile due to geo-engineering, vaccines that cause infertility, glyphosate usage (causes miscarriages), glyphosate sprayed in air through geo-engineering and farming, eating non-organic foods sprayed with glyphosates, eating sugar and junk food that causes diabetes (causes complications during pregnancy), eating restaurant foods loaded with sugars, glyphosates and pesticides, eating donuts and bagels at church gatherings (loaded with artificial sugars and glyphosates).
We are being assaulted everywhere we go with glyphosates that not only cause infertility but also cause cancer. Those babies that survive in the womb are increasingly being born with cancer. This is so sad. I have seen sick babies coming for baptism with the parents hoping and praying that Baptism will cure that very sick baby. There was a two-month old baby with a huge disfiguring cancerous tumor all over its nose so it could barely breathe. Others have enlarged brains due to a fast growing brain cancer. While others suffer from leukemia. These are newborns! Lord have mercy.
And the real tragedy is that these babies who are stricken with cancer are forced into hospitals, which prescribe surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy with or without parental consent. Oftentimes, these babies are taken by court order through Child Protective Services (pedophilia ridden) and placed in Children's hospitals where their own parents cannot visit them. These precious babies die without parental contact and bonding.
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I say "Traditional Catholic Faith", Boomers let the Novus Ordo take over and thrive.
This is interesting. Because, I know a ton of these Boomers, who, go to Mass religiously every week, they show up yacking away in the back or the vestibule, very rarely kneel down and pray or have any deep reflection before the Mass, browse through the Church bulletin, commenting on every paragraph loooking for the next free or "cheap" breakfast or BBQ. Almost none of them have any special devotion to our BM, almost never go to confession before the Mass and just about all recieve the Sacrament of the Eucharist. While just about all and I mean ALL take communion in hand and almost never kneel at the altar.
The only ones I ever seen remotley are the real old ones, the pre-boomers who are in their eighties now and even many of them have lost the sense of the Holiness of the Mass and any sense of tradition. Even my mother-in-law, who is in her mid eighties, a very devoted Italian American Catholic who emigrated from the old country many moons ago, takes Communion in hand. But THAT'S what the Church told her to do after VII, but she is very unconscious it is wrong, but she tries and does it in a very respectful and holy matter. She also raised eight children, basically by herself, very conservative, traditional with old world values. Not a feminist bone in her body. Unlike the rest of these Boomer feminista's and eucharistic "ministers" infesting the pews and altars in the Novus Ordo across the country.I couldn't stand five minutes in those glee clubs disguised as "churches".
As for all the Boomers "letting" the NO take over, I'm not sure about that. I know a few that knew SOMETHING was wrong, but couldn't wrap their head around it. Many actually left and went Evangelical, espeically when the whole sodomy scandals began to surface and when they seen that the Church itself wanted to stop actually being "catholic". But, also many stayed and felt quite comfortable with the open and easy conditions with the "New Mass", because that's what the Boomer is all about, ease and comfort. And when the system offers you low resistance to let go of your convictions and any sense of the arduous and strenuous religious discipline, the soft, easy-street Boomer is all too willing to comply.
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Well, it's just that they brought in or made popular SO many bad things:
* 30 year mortgage, which you pay on for 30 years (no paying off early!)
* Sending kids to public school and/or daycare
* They went along with the entire vaccination schedule, even though it was much tamer (fewer shots) than the one they use today.
* In general, Boomers are extremely mainstream about everything. They never step outside the lines, question the way everyone does things, or think outside the box.
* Formula feeding of infants instead of breastfeeding
* Curious limitation of family size to 3-4 children, even among Traditional Catholics
* Very liberal with regards to TV use, child companions, and child-rearing in general: very hands-off or on the liberal side of the spectrum (the exact opposite of over-sheltering children)
* Very liberal in terms of traditional gender roles: more often than not, the wife worked, even if it's just to raise the standard of living (see "Middle-class lifestyle")
* Baby Boomers were the original suckers who bought into the "American dream" and/or the "Middle-class lifestyle"
* Baby Boomers have a hangup about deserving a higher standard of living the older they get. Their pride bristles at reducing their expenses (even if economically necessary) because it would mean "living like a 20 year old". "I worked my butt off for 30 years..." and all that. They feel that entitles them to a certain level of luxury and comfort.
* Very selfish and nuclear: They continued/perpetuated the whole "nuclear family" idea. That is to say, each person should start his own household and be independent of other family members, except for one's own children and one's spouse. That is as much "family" as should live together, at least ideally.
* Related to the previous, these Boomers (possibly continued, they might not have invented it) the whole "kick out your son when he turns 18".
* Unlike Hispanic and other cultures, the independence mindset extends to one's grown children: Baby Boomer parents don't concern themselves with the overall or long-term welfare of their extended family. Each person is on their own vs. the dog-eat-dog world. That's why the Bankers have a field day making money off most White middle class people. Compare with Hispanic culture: parents make sure the children are set up well, loaning them money interest-free on their first house, giving them a old used car, stuff like that, so they don't start out life saddled by high-interest debt. In general, extended family members look out for each other in other cultures, but never among Baby Boomers.
* Inflating the stock market, real estate like a ponzi scheme (whether or not it was their fault, they certainly were the winners in both of these ponzi schemes, and this bonus wealth certainly affected them)
At the risk of picking and poking on various points of your post. I can sum up the Boomer mentality and what they revered and worshipped more than anything with one word; Money.
That's what the Boomer sold everything out for. The almighty buck.
It was all about them and winning with the most toys at the end, was all that counted.
And they sold out their progeny in the process. Now all the pensions, social security, fair/just wage,everything is collapsing trying to pay for them living the high life. they will be the first generation in American history where their children and grand children will have a lower standard of living than they did. I hope it was worth you selfish bastards.
Sorry again for the hatred and vileness Matthew. I am seeing and living this first hand of the devastating blow from this generation and their selfish, sense of entitlement and complete disregard for the next generation. and I'm sick to my stomach. I have prayed and ask forgivness for my complete disdain for this group without much success.I guess it's a work in progress. Maybe this is therapy for me.
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Sorry again for the hatred and vileness Matthew. I am seeing and living this first hand of the devastating blow from this generation and their selfish, sense of entitlement and complete disregard for the next generation. and I'm sick to my stomach. I have prayed and ask forgivness for my complete disdain for this group without much success.I guess it's a work in progress. Maybe this is therapy for me.
Would it help you to deal with your anger if you focused on the exceptions? I was born in 1958 and virtually none of the things said about Boomers in this thread is true about me. I had seven children, prefer midwives, breastfed, homeschooled, avoid medications, wear dresses, etc.
I don't disagree that, as a group, we have negative characteristics, but some of us did reject typical Boomer behaviour.
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I am a child of baby boomers and find most of these points to be accurate generalizations. I think the generations after them were dealt a bad hand and have been given unpayable debts to pay to cover for the baby boomers' expenses. And the boomers did not have enough children to cover those debts. But our generation is no better in my experience though there is a small counter-culture of which the traditional Catholics are a part. I do wonder if we will pay for the debts incurred by the baby boomers or if we will default on those debts and refuse to pay them, and if we will support and protect our baby boomer parents in their old age or if there will be mass euthanasia after a refusal to pay the bills.
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I am a child of baby boomers and find most of these points to be accurate generalizations. I think the generations after them were dealt a bad hand and have been given unpayable debts to pay to cover for the baby boomers' expenses. And the boomers did not have enough children to cover those debts. But our generation is no better in my experience though there is a small counter-culture of which the traditional Catholics are a part. I do wonder if we will pay for the debts incurred by the baby boomers or if we will default on those debts and refuse to pay them, and if we will support and protect our baby boomer parents in their old age or if there will be mass euthanasia after a refusal to pay the bills.
Although on the tail end of the Boomers, born 1960, I'm more in the position of the next generation. The Boomer generation of which I'm part messed up big time. I don't see that can ever retire as I make just enough to live on. My parents bought into the small family idea, also, the notion of the children moving out at 18. There are only two of us. My sister is deep in debt, divorced with two teenage boys. She does nothing to assist our parents, not even calling them unless she needs money. She quit going to mass at age 14 because a priest advised my father not to force her. For me, eight years her senior, the rules were entirely different. I went to mass every Sunday, to catechism when it was available, and if a school sport, event, or trip was on a Sunday or holy day, I didn't go. We lived an upper middle class life on one income. Dad retired at 58, after working at the same place for 42 years. He went to university on the GI Bill, got his doctorate free of charge. I worked my way through to two Master's degrees, but because of the degeneration of public education, have never made a living wage in parochial and other private schools. I've always had to work extra jobs to survive. My parents don't understand why I never married, don't have a good paying job with a nice pension and benefits, or why my sister married a bum from a foreign country. They lament the fact that their grandsons don't seem to have friends from "good, stable homes." They are pretty much in denial that the world is as it is.
I'm a disappointment to them as I have no children, nothing to pass on, only to take what they leave behind. I do not see anything positive so far as my future in this world. I'll not be surprised if I die within 8-10 years, probably homeless, found somewhere by someone. I don't expect Last Rites or a Catholic burial as I will be alone in this world and have not the means for these things.
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Almost every complaint I see about the Baby Boomers above apply to the generation before the Baby Boomers--the so-called "Greatest Generation". Many of those things were started by that generation and the Baby Boomers merely kept things going. For example:
The 30-year mortgage started in 1934.
Public schools started in the prior century.
Immunization schedules began, for the most part, ON the Baby Boomers. The Boomers expanded it to a zillion shots.
The explosion of baby forumula began in the 1940s and 1950s--to feed the Boomers.
It was the Baby Boomers who were put in front of televisions by the previous generation.
And don't blame Boomers for the Novus Ordo or the Crisis in the Church.
The Baby Boomers can be blamed for not even trying to fix the problems, but, by and large, they really can't be blamed for creating the problems.
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And think about the fruits of all this "freedom", money and selfishness they brought upon us; Abortion, Contraception,Feminism, Liberalism, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity normalization, Open Borders, etc.
Ohh the irony... the wonderful fruits that were reaped by the complete destruction of those nasty nαzιs!
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The Baby Boomers can be blamed for not even trying to fix the problems, but, by and large, they really can't be blamed for creating the problems.
Great point. The baby boomers lived through the chaos of V2, the aftermath of the 60s, and the crazy 70s, with all the social and racial unrest. Life was one big revolution. Change upon change. Their outlook on life is a symptom not the cause.
The cause was the loss of faith post WWI and WWII, the acceptance of divorce and the pill in the 40s and 50s, the acceptance of Eisenhower’s social “new deal” (ie Medicare, social security), the over-reliance on catholic parochial schools in the 40s/50s, the culmination of the “women’s suffrage” movement which led to women in the workforce post WWII, the demand for legalized abortion in the 70s, the acceptance of the drug culture in the 60s and last, but CERTAINLY not least, the acceptance of V2 and the rejection of Church traditions.
ALL of the above was accepted by the PARENTS of the baby boomers. Their generation is FULLY to blame for ALL of our messes, both spiritual and societal. The baby boomers were teens and 20 year olds in the 70s - how can they be blamed? Sure, they have many defects, but their parents messed them up totally. Their parents are the ones who gave up the faith, accepted socialism and wanted some utopian “new age society”.
Blaming the baby boomers for our current problems is like blaming V2 as the start of the Church crisis. Both were the symptoms, not the cause of the problem.
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I think that a great deal of blame can be attributed to the Suffergette movement of the early 1900’s and the march of feminism stemming from the need for female workers in WWI.
From this came the masculinisation of women in dress and behaviour, the acceptance of birth control, the catastrophic decline in personal morality and the gradual destruction of the family.
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Instead of tearing each other apart, we should focus on the entities that caused the destruction of America, and the causes can be found back in the 1850's with the propagation of modernism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the Illuminati, and Marxist ideology, which got worse with each generation because the people did not know that these nefarious groups had planned this all along.
We the sheep were being led to the slaughter by wolves who had entered into our government, our churches, our schools, and our society in general.
Read the autobiography of Bella Dodd. You can see the seeds of destruction that were planted early in the 1900s and the 1910s with the advent of those high society reading groups, which studied the writings of Shaw, Marx, and other revolutionaries.
I took literature courses in college studying those years just prior to WWI, and the literature was simply awful. It was this literature which taught upperclass women to be freethinkers, to go to psychiatrists, and to get drugs and treatments that lead them to be unfaithful to their husbands because after all, religion was taught to be the opiate of the masses. Therefore, instead of studying good Christian literature, both men and women took opiates, heroin, and psychoactive drugs, and then wasted their inheritances and left their children in poverty.
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Baby Boomers don't care about their grandkids.
Baby Boomers raised their kids on HBO.
This is from my article, Inheritance: Wretched 20th Century Generations (http://forge-and-anvil.com/2017/10/23/inheritance-wretched-20th-century-generations/)
As time progresses, Western society is beginning to learn that the generations following the Baby Boomers are none too happy about the “legacy” being left behind by that mid-20th Century generation. In fact, it can be safely said that current Generation X and Millennial memories of the hippies that have run ruined our country for the past handful of decades have been filled with nothing but disdain.
The following comment from the Vox Popoli blog has resonated with me for a month and a half, now:
The Boomers are the generation that received a prosperous family farm complete with a barn filled with the bounty of a generous harvest. The Boomers quickly ate the whole of the harvest, and, still hungry, mortgaged the farm so they could glut themselves further.
Not content with that, they pushed their children off the farm so they could bring in sharecroppers to grub the soil until its fertility and richness were spent.
When the sharecroppers got upset with declining yields and their meager wages, the Boomers promised them the land and proceeds of all future harvests.
Heedless of the damage already done, the Boomers made sure to hunt through the barn and eat the seed corn. Every single kernel.
Then, to the wonder of all, the Boomers got angry when their children pointed out the fact that the farm land is barren and sterile, the finances hopelessly in arrears, hostile sharecroppers are looking to take the land for themselves, and and there is not a seed left to plant.
This kind of an opinion about the Baby Boomers is nothing new. And really, is there any other way to look at it? This “prophet generation” as Aurini calls them, spawned from what is regarded as a “hero generation.” Yet they are reactionaries who react against their heroic forbears with ingratitude and recklessness. The results of their “free-spirited” thoughtlessness is a generation of disaffected nomads, underprotected runts, and a broken society that has lost its bearings.
Criticizing the Boomers has become a sort of sport among the latest generations, and a cursory look through various search engines will turn up plentiful amounts of editorials, scorchers, and negative assessments. For example, in a tongue-and-cheek video about the subject, not only does Gavin McInnes declare the Boomers to the the worst generation, but he takes it even further, declaring them to be a “horrible, vile, disgusting, selfish, overindulgent, immature, retarded generation.”
The Spiritual Destruction
But it is not just online editorials that acknowledge this dark legacy the Boomers have dumped onto their children. Even renown clergy will attest to the problems that come from the Boomers; although, wizened clergy take it a step further, pointing to the Greatest Generation as well.
According to Fr. Ripperger, The Greatest Generation (GG) actually qualifies as one of the worst generations in the history of the Church. Though most consider them to be “great” because they fought in World War II, they went to war because they had to. When they came back from the war, they were disgruntled. Discussions of virtue stopped with them. They did not embrace their cross or appropriate their suffering. Instead, the GG complained about their suffering. Unlike those before them, the GG lacked a virtue of mortification. Living members of the GG refuse to admit to the faults and errors that have increased under their watch, and they look at the last 40 years as a stepchild to be forgotten.
But worst of all, it was under the watch of the Greatest Generation that the Catholic Church was handed over in shambles. They “blocked the passing of the Tradition of the Church intact.” It was their generation that brought us the horror that was the Second Vatican Council and its aftermath, the loosening of Church discipline, dissent, unorthodoxy, and the spread of immorality. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy was swept under the rug. On their watch, the priest pedophilia scandal began. In spite of official announcements from the hierarchy, the priests of the Greatest Generation appear to have rejected the teachings of contraception.
And so, because the GG indulged their children and failed to pass on the virtues of self-denial, they beget children who, having no hardship, gave in to various behaviors of intemperance, lacking docility and judgement. The impious Boomers did not honor their ancestors, and they rejected the tradition that their forefathers blocked from them. The Boomers have since become impossible to lead, and having a disrespect for all forms of authority, they are dictators of their own appetites, demonstrating that with power they become ruthless and selfish. By rejecting the cross, the GG ensured the licentiousness of their Boomer children.
Looking back, it is not just material wealth that has been robbed from us by the previous generations. It is not merely the fat of the land that has been taken away. Our very legacy–our very identity–has been stripped away from the generations that came after the Boomers. It is true that Generation X and the Millennials will now have to fiscally struggle harder than the Boomers did, that the economy is always teetering on destruction, that the housing market is destroyed, that retirement may not exist. But even our very morality and spirit has been crushed under these people.
Returning to the state of the Church, organized religion in the West–Christendom–has been reduced to a burning dumpster fire. Consider recent words from Monsignor Williams:
“When everything in the world around us is being turned upside down, it should not surprise us to find the Pope talking like a Communist politician and the leader of Russia talking like a Catholic Pope.”
Leftism and crass disrespect for reverence is the widespread “spirit” running rampant throughout the Church. It becomes an Easter egg hunt to find wholesome traditional priests and parishes that will deliver a reverent and traditional Mass with the time-tested teachings. Charles Coulombe has to cheerfully joke to the clergy that “the Church is not the mystical body of the pope,” and that Pope Francis will make his mark on history in the same way as painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa. Ann Barnhardt, taking a more direct and grim approach, acknowledges that the clergy “don’t actually believe any of that Catholic bullshit,” relating that
“the aging-to-death religious orders are HAPPY that they are dying out because they HATE the Church and view The Church and their own orders as they were founded as “unjust”. These orders not only do not lament that they have no new incoming vocations, but they consciously, actively drive away any young people who come inquiring, because they consider any young person joining a religious order OF ANY KIND as a “waste of their life”. Needless to say, these auto-destructing religious orders hate with a fiery passion the traditional orders, which have young vocations out their ears, because THEY WANT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO DIE”
Conclusion
These are the times that try men’s souls, as Thomas Paine said in 1776. Many times, animals will eat their young. Yet, the Generation X and the Millennials who are alive have managed to survive the dangers of the 20th Century womb. We haven’t been aborted. So at least we have a fighting chance for life. It may be that, after the devastation is complete and the Boomer generation has passed, the West will be left a blackened smoking crater. We may have hardships and our spirits will be jaded and angry before all is said and done.
So pray for the graces to survive what seems a punishment from God. Examine yourself and your character, and refuse to fall into the traps that our forefathers fell into. Cleanse your line and raise a good family that breaks the old spell of your ancestors. Prepare yourself and your progeny for a future of challenges.
As John Adams says:
“I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
So it must now be for us. Get your heads on straight, fix your generational curses, live cleanly, and don’t cower. My friends, I’m afraid we are left to sweep up the party favors of the 20th Century.
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Baby Boomers don't care about their grandkids.
Baby Boomers raised their kids on HBO.
Agreed. And Baby Boomers were raised on network television, The Mickey Mouse Club, and Seseme Street.
They're still just a symptom of the problem.
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Baby Boomers don't care about their grandkids.
I know a LOT of baby boomer grandparents who watch their grandkids during the day, so their millenial daughters can work all day.
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Another problem with analyzing the baby boomer generation is that it is SO LARGE, that comparing it to any other generation is near impossible. The communist elites who've been trying to enslave the world simply played to the largest demographic when trying to corrupt the West. It's simply a numbers game, and we're seeing the same thing now with the millenials - the entire marketing, news, social messages, etc are being aimed at the millenial generation in order to corrupt it completely. What chance does this generation have, ON AVERAGE, to survive this subversive and propaganda onslaught, especially when most of them aren't religious? Very little chance.
Same thing goes for the baby boomers. The entire communistic machine was aimed directly at them, because if you corrupt the largest demographic in centuries, you will have a good chance to affect the entire country. Add this to the fact that V2 destroyed the Faith at a time when the baby boomers were in their teens and twentys and you have a HUGE amount of people ready for corruption, for "new ideals" and who don't have the spiritual wisdom to see through lies and anti-catholic ideals.
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A Baby Boomer is defined as a person born from 1946 and 1964. That's a long time period. The ones born in 1946 would have been 18 in 1964, and fully schooled before the fit hit the shan. The ones born in 1964 would have been babies the same year. The baby boomers were raised by parents who let their children fall into the pit. I was born in the 50's and was in my early teens when the Woodstock and free love hit the stage. For my parents, it was like if a 747 crashed into our house, it came out of nowhere. I do not blame them for not seeing it, it was unprecedented. As for me, I had no Church to teach me otherwise, the Vatican II church was part of the revolution. So, I went along on the pleasure ride till I was 40, being successful making money and chasing bikini clad girls in the beach. There was no example of Church to teach me otherwise.
I do not blame my parents, I do not blame baby boomers, I do not blame the young people today, they were / are all dupes. Even today, where are you going to send someone to teach them the truth, "go to that rented hotel room one hour away where once a month they have a traveling priest mass, but don't go to the catholic church one block away, it is part of the problem ".?
Looking for others to blame for ones problems never gets one out of their predicament, it is part of mans fallen nature to blame others. If you want to improve yourself go and do it.
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It is certainly true that women of the 'Baby Boom' era were horribly corrupted by feminism, however in my view that roots of that feminism go back to the early 20th century suffragette movement and to the 1930 Lambeth Conference where the Anglican Communion bowed to feminist pressure to accept contraception.
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It is certainly true that women of the 'Baby Boom' era were horribly corrupted by feminism, however in my view that roots of that feminism go back to the early 20th century suffragette movement and to the 1930 Lambeth Conference where the Anglican Communion bowed to feminist pressure to accept contraception.
POPE IS AGAINST WOMAN IN POLITICS; Only Eccentrics Would Wish to Legislate, He Tells Delegation of Women. FATHER WYNNE EXPLAINS Church Desires Women to be Home Makers.
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1909/04/22/101877545.pdf
Rome, April 21, 1909.
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I know a LOT of baby boomer grandparents who watch their grandkids during the day, so their millenial daughters can work all day.
That's skipping a whole generation -- namely, mine.
I'm too old to be a millennial. My parents and all my aunts and uncles were Boomers.
I'm even on the young side of Generation X, but that is probably the best fit.
1976 to be precise.
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By the way, guys, we're just having a general discussion about the Baby Boomer generation in general. Trying to draw out some patterns and common traits. You know, philosophizing, which is much of what happens on a message board.
What my 2 big posts (right after the OP) were NOT about:
* Blaming or pointing fingers
* Declaring where all our problems come from or started
* Fomenting hatred against all individual Baby Boomers
There are plenty of Boomers who are excellent Catholics (see my post about "heavy hitter benefactors"). A Boomer can take his situation (see all the description in my 2 large posts above) and turn it into an asset for God's service by making donations to the Church, volunteering, etc.
After all, there is an upside to everything, even limiting your family size. You will have a lot more money -- and free time, since some of your 3 grown children might live out-of-state. (I've seen this a hundred times) Why not help the Church out? And many Boomers do just that.
You can make the best of just about every bad situation. Your A/C goes out in July in south Texas? Well, at least you'll save a few bucks on your electric bill.
You can't go back in time and do things differently, nor can you make yourself be raised in a different generation with different values. That isn't what God expects of us. He expects us to make the best of the hand we've been dealt -- and the hand we have today, based on how we've "played our hand" up till now.
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I used to blame a lot of things on the baby boomers, but this thread has gotten me to re-think some of those aspects. I don't think you were blaming them, but others were. It's an interesting topic.
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Would it help you to deal with your anger if you focused on the exceptions? I was born in 1958 and virtually none of the things said about Boomers in this thread is true about me. I had seven children, prefer midwives, breastfed, homeschooled, avoid medications, wear dresses, etc.
I don't disagree that, as a group, we have negative characteristics, but some of us did reject typical Boomer behaviour.
Well said Jayne! All our boomer friends are all the things you say, also actively pro-life since the late 60s, politically active working against porn and for traditional families and traditional sexes, also of course, devoted to Our Lady.
I am familiar with the stereotyping and mocking of our age group among the entitled generations, but until now I have not seen it among traditional Catholics. How very sad.
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I am a child of baby boomers and find most of these points to be accurate generalizations. I think the generations after them were dealt a bad hand and have been given unpayable debts to pay to cover for the baby boomers' expenses. And the boomers did not have enough children to cover those debts. But our generation is no better in my experience though there is a small counter-culture of which the traditional Catholics are a part. I do wonder if we will pay for the debts incurred by the baby boomers or if we will default on those debts and refuse to pay them, and if we will support and protect our baby boomer parents in their old age or if there will be mass euthanasia after a refusal to pay the bills.
You have hit the nail on the head. Scapegoating of seniors/ baby boomers (which began with the left) is laying the groundwork for denying medical care to the aged.
The out-group has to be stereotyped, blamed and harshly scapegoated prior to killing us off to balance the budget. As in Obamacare death panels.
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Boomerphobia
How Generation Whinge are thieving from their elders
Everyone hates a granny-basher. What is more morally warped than accosting a little old lady as she does her weekly shop and swiping her purse? Terrorism, maybe. And murder. But not much else. The dolts who do over old women and grab their cash make us mad because it is part of human nature to look out for the old, not nick their stuff.
Which is what makes the outburst of boomerphobia among Generation Whinge – or Gen Y, to give them their official sociological name – so grating. Granny-bashing has gone respectable. Sure, the twenty- and thirtysomethings who blame the baby boomers for their every financial, social and personal screw-up don’t actually rough up old folks and snatch their stuff. But they do spend an insane amount of time weeping and moaning over how the boomers had it really good, and they have it really bad, and plotting new ways to make these cosseted fogeys cough up some cash or space to help young people out. It’s polite mugging, with words rather than fists.
The latest wheeze of the meanies of Gen Y is basically to boot old people out of their homes. Really. Last week, a new report from the Australian Population Research Institute (APRI) evoked whoops of delight from the Gen Y self-pity party by suggesting greedy old farts should be encouraged to ‘downsize’ their homes. It recognised that this will be difficult, because, in the words of the Sydney Morning Herald, ‘they’ – ‘they’ being that blob of ageing irritants – ‘prefer to live in homes they have lived in for a long time’. Fancy that! Old people wanting to stay in homes they lovingly curated and raised their families in! The grasping rotters. But APRI is confident the crones and codgers can be elbowed out with the help of some tweaks to the tax and pension system that would ‘incentivise’ downsizing.
‘Incentivise’ – what a deliciously Orwellian word. Here it really means ‘pressurise’. And why must the old be ‘incentivised’ to leave homes they love? Because the young need them. There is ‘looming demand for detached houses by younger families, which the authorities have failed to plan for’, as SMH summarised, and so oldies must be ‘incentivised’ the hell out of town so that needy thirty-somethings can sleep in their beds.
In Britain, the Y whiners actually refer to old folks who live alone in their own homes as ‘bed-blockers’. These people are so stupefyingly self-entitled that they think they have the right to move into your bedrooms. Actually they think that these are ‘their’ bedrooms and you are unfairly colonising them. Whatever sins the boomer generation may have committed pale into insignificance compared with the poncy privileged tantrums of the Y mob.
At least street-based granny-bashers only make off with an oldie’s shopping money or credit card. The Gen Y muggers want far more than that: they want boomers’ beds, homes, lives.
The pressure on pensioners to shrink their living quarters sums up everything that is wrong with boomerphobia. It speaks to the ugly Malthusianism of generational politics, where instead of agitating for the building of more homes and the creation of new wealth the post-boomer moaners act as if all resources are fixed, as if there’s only a certain amount of things and money to go around, and thus we need a Mad Max-style war for stuff that pitches the allegedly hard-up young against the apparently moneyed old. Boomerphobia is the bastard offspring of an unholy marriage between two of the worst trends of our time: environmentalism and narcissism. The former convinces the young that everything is running out so they’d better steal whatever they can; the latter makes them think they deserve what they steal. ‘We’re worth it’ – the criminal cri de coeur of our era.
The lingo and plans of the boomer-bashers get uglier by the day. ‘Baby boomers suck’, said a writer for the Daily Telegraph last month. They ‘ruined the planet’, no less. Earlier this year a writer for the Age said the boomers had committed an act of ‘intergenerational theft’, benefiting from free education and a healthy housing market and now leaving only debt and a destroyed environment to their offspring. Young Aussies are being ‘massively screwed by the baby boomers’, said the Age. In the UK, a columnist for the New Statesman says the young have been ‘screwed over’ by boomers, who are ‘richer, freer and more powerful than any generation this country has seen’.
Okay, stop. Aside from the chalkboard-scraping noise of whinging they emit, there are two basic problems with youngish people’s declaration of generational war on the old. The first is that it is straight-up ludicrous to make sweeping generalisations about generations. The boomers, says that Telegraph writer, ‘enjoyed free tertiary education, affordable housing and unparalleled acquisition of wealth’ and now ‘swan about between their three properties’. What is she talking about? Do these moaning muppets really think all boomers, all people born between 1946 and 1964, had lives like that?
My parents were born in the 1950s, ostensibly making them boomers. They left school at 14, travelled from Ireland to London when they were 18, lived in a hovel as they had six kids, and worked pretty much every hour of the day. There are loads and loads of so-called boomers who were working class, or poor, or even destitute, who never darkened the door of a university or bought a nice home. And yet these members of the postwar generation – the majority – are airbrushed out of history by Gen Y people who fantasise that literally everyone born in the 40s and 50s went to the Sorbonne and had sex with Jim Morrison before magicking up mortgages for their three future homes.
The second, and most colossal, problem with boomerphobia is its dearth of social imagination. Bereft of ideas for how to kickstart economic life, and campaign for more house-building or a bigger and better capitalism, instead the Y lot take swipes at people who are comfortable, and who got comfortable by working and taking risks. They seem to think that the way things are is the way things will always be. How bizarre. How dispiriting. The problem here is not boomer greed but youthful fatalism.
You want a home? Build one. You want a society that has more opportunities for younger families? Build one. You want a stronger economy? Build one. Quit your bitching; build a different future.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/boomerphobia/
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Almost every complaint I see about the Baby Boomers above apply to the generation before the Baby Boomers--the so-called "Greatest Generation". Many of those things were started by that generation and the Baby Boomers merely kept things going. For example:
The 30-year mortgage started in 1934.
Public schools started in the prior century.
Immunization schedules began, for the most part, ON the Baby Boomers. The Boomers expanded it to a zillion shots.
The explosion of baby forumula began in the 1940s and 1950s--to feed the Boomers.
It was the Baby Boomers who were put in front of televisions by the previous generation.
And don't blame Boomers for the Novus Ordo or the Crisis in the Church.
The Baby Boomers can be blamed for not even trying to fix the problems, but, by and large, they really can't be blamed for creating the problems.
FYI Look on YouTube for Fr. Riperger's sermon, The Sixth Generation. Fr. also blames the Greatest Generation for raising what turned out to be the Baby Boomers. My folks were 10 years older than the parents of most of my peers. They are a combination of Depression Era and WWII era. They adopted some liberal ideas from the WWII generation, but have the temperaments of the Depression generation. If there i suffering to be endured, one never talks or emotes about it. You suck it up and go on as if it didn't exist. On the other hand, material success is measure of one's character and worthiness as a human being, hence the liberalism. It's actually Calvinism in its worst heretical manifestation. It puts children in a situation in which it is nearly impossible to be mentally and emotionally healthy. Of course, it isn't intentional.
The Boomers cannot be blamed for Vat. II. I was age 2 when it began, age 5 at its conclusion. I started my religious education at age 7 in the nearly novus ordo. What could I possibly know or do as a young child? Nothing, of course! I did as my parents directed.
It took a 25 year search for me to find the Truth in Catholic tradition. Those years were spent in Protestant "churches" of every variety, not in the novus ordo, as that left me cold and empty after 18 years in my parents' charge.
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This thread is worse than feminism.
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Would it help you to deal with your anger if you focused on the exceptions? I was born in 1958 and virtually none of the things said about Boomers in this thread is true about me. I had seven children, prefer midwives, breastfed, homeschooled, avoid medications, wear dresses, etc.
I don't disagree that, as a group, we have negative characteristics, but some of us did reject typical Boomer behaviour.
Yes, I know you did and you are to be commended for it. My rant is more or less directed at many of the selfish slobs who stole my pension, sucked up a large portion of the SS and started the whole "counter-culture" era. amongst many other things. I know that it wasn't "All" of the Boomers that were responsible or even partook in this materialistic, feeding frenzy on a mass scale, however, you and those like you are the exception to the rule with the majority of the "all-about ME" generation. And yes, speaking of generations, someone mentioned the "greatest" generation, they're right, they spawned these spoiled brats and all their sense of entitlement while setting them up in play for the good life. All the while starting and fighting Anglo-Prot/Zionist world wars against Catholic nations that were fighting the globalist banksters and culture destroyers. But that's another discussion.
As for me picking on and "blaming" Boomers, I can only tell you what I had to deal with first hand , even from my own family. Hell my own father used to practice usury on his own children, the guy was a loan shark, even I knew better than to get invovled in his money-grubbing nonsense. Again, I said it before , i'll say it again, the Boomers worshipped the big buck. that's why so many left the Church and became Evangelicals and "born-agains", those are some of the worst phoneys on the planet. That's basically what Protestantism is all about, selling out for the money. right up the boomers alley.
Yes Jayne, I can sympathize with you as I have rejected much of my post-Boomer behaviours as well.
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This thread is worse than feminism.
You must be a Boomer.
Move on if you don't like it. Go blow your pension check at some casino somewhere.
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You have hit the nail on the head. Scapegoating of seniors/ baby boomers (which began with the left) is laying the groundwork for denying medical care to the aged.
The out-group has to be stereotyped, blamed and harshly scapegoated prior to killing us off to balance the budget. As in Obamacare death panels.
You mean the same people who spent the next generations pension and subsistance and bascially enslaved them into economic bondage until the day they die? Yea, tough stereo-type. Have fun answering for that. them chickens might be coming home to roost someday. funny how that all comes back on you in some way.
You know, that whole sowing and reaping stuff someone wrote somewhere a long time ago.
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This thread is worse than feminism.
You must be a Boomer.
Move on if you don't like it. Go blow your pension check at some casino somewhere.
You act worse than all those godless Social Justice Warriors, and present yourself as emotionally stirred up and irrational.
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And yes, speaking of generations, someone mentioned the "greatest" generation, they're right, they spawned these spoiled brats and all their sense of entitlement while setting them up in play for the good life. All the while starting and fighting Anglo-Prot/Zionist world wars against Catholic nations that were fighting the globalist banksters and culture destroyers. But that's another discussion.
You should study history instead of blaming "Baby Boomers" for the sins of "Anglo-Prot/Zionist" or USraeli Empire. And how come your nick name is alaric?
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The Booners are horrible but some of the things I'm reading here are silly . I don't blame anybody who decides that they can't take another Winter and move South and retirement communities are great. No scary young men prowling the halls, no screaming neighbor kids and a doctor on call. I wish my in laws had moved instead of being trapped at home when the neighborhood went bad.
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My rant is more or less directed at many of the selfish slobs who stole my pension, sucked up a large portion of the SS and started the whole "counter-culture" era. amongst many other things. ....
....And yes, speaking of generations, someone mentioned the "greatest" generation, they're right, they spawned these spoiled brats and all their sense of entitlement while setting them up in play for the good life. ....
As for me picking on and "blaming" Boomers, I can only tell you what I had to deal with first hand , even from my own family. Hell my own father used to practice usury on his own children, the guy was a loan shark, even I knew better than to get invovled in his money-grubbing nonsense.
Again, I said it before , i'll say it again, the Boomers worshipped the big buck. that's why so many left the Church and became Evangelicals and "born-agains", those are some of the worst phoneys on the planet. That's basically what Protestantism is all about, selling out for the money. right up the boomers alley.
Yes Jayne, I can sympathize with you as I have rejected much of my post-Boomer behaviours as well.
Talk about sense of entitlement?
Boomers worship the big buck?
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What is all this artificial division into arbitrary generations? Human beings are sinners. No person had any choice in his date of birth. That is all in God's Will.
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Alaric, I pray you will be able to rise above your bitterness and forgive your imperfect father.
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Talk about sense of entitlement?
Boomers worship the big buck?
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What is all this artificial division into arbitrary generations? Human beings are sinners. No person had any choice in his date of birth. That is all in God's Will.
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Alaric, I pray you will be able to rise above your bitterness and forgive your imperfect father.
Talk about sense of entitlement? Bishops, cardinals, and popes worshiping gαy sex and opulence?
Look, this is an artificial division you're making against your Church hierarchy. These men didn't have any choice in the fact that they all just happened to come together and it looks like one big movement of modernist priests. It was just God's will.
Nadir, I pray you will be able to rise above your bitterness and forgive your imperfect Holy Father in Rome.
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Talk about sense of entitlement? Bishops, cardinals, and popes worshiping gαy sex and opulence?
Look, this is an artificial division you're making against your Church hierarchy. These men didn't have any choice in the fact that they all just happened to come together and it looks like one big movement of modernist priests. It was just God's will.
Nadir, I pray you will be able to rise above your bitterness and forgive your imperfect Holy Father in Rome.
Umm, how did bishops get in here?
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Yes, please do pray for me, if you are sincere.
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A Baby Boomer is defined as a person born from 1946 and 1964. That's a long time period. The ones born in 1946 would have been 18 in 1964, and fully schooled before the fit hit the shan. The ones born in 1964 would have been babies the same year. The baby boomers were raised by parents who let their children fall into the pit. I was born in the 50's and was in my early teens when the Woodstock and free love hit the stage. For my parents, it was like if a 747 crashed into our house, it came out of nowhere. I do not blame them for not seeing it, it was unprecedented. As for me, I had no Church to teach me otherwise, the Vatican II church was part of the revolution. So, I went along on the pleasure ride till I was 40, being successful making money and chasing bikini clad girls in the beach. There was no example of Church to teach me otherwise.
I do not blame my parents, I do not blame baby boomers, I do not blame the young people today, they were / are all dupes. Even today, where are you going to send someone to teach them the truth, "go to that rented hotel room one hour away where once a month they have a traveling priest mass, but don't go to the catholic church one block away, it is part of the problem ".?
Looking for others to blame for ones problems never gets one out of their predicament, it is part of mans fallen nature to blame others. If you want to improve yourself go and do it.
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You mean the same people who spent the next generations pension and subsistance and bascially enslaved them into economic bondage until the day they die? Yea, tough stereo-type. Have fun answering for that. them chickens might be coming home to roost someday. funny how that all comes back on you in some way.
You know, that whole sowing and reaping stuff someone wrote somewhere a long time ago.
Not all of us are "the same people" who you blame. This unfair generalization is the same type of "reasoning" which leads people to unfairly attack Judge Kavenaugh, as if he represents all the evil men who abuse women and get away with it.
btw, my dh is a boomer and his pension was stolen. We are now trying to get by on 0% interest on a couple of IRAs, leaving us somewhat jealous of the "greatest generation" who were earning 18% interest on their savings while we were a young family making house payments with 18% interest.
Someone on this thread mocked seniors who are always looking for a coupon for an affordable breakfast. That's what happens when the bankers have enslaved all of us into economic bondage.
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You must be a Boomer.
Move on if you don't like it. Go blow your pension check at some casino somewhere.
You act worse than all those godless Social Justice Warriors, and present yourself as emotionally stirred up and irrational.
Says the guy who dragged feminism and SJW's into this thread.
Try and stay on point here.
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You should study history instead of blaming "Baby Boomers" for the sins of "Anglo-Prot/Zionist" or USraeli Empire. And how come your nick name is alaric?
Baby-booming, bible-thumping Israel-firsters have been pushing and fighting zionists wars now for quite some time.
Matter of fact, we have a baby-boomer water-boy for the jews and Israel in the white house now, just begging to start WW3. And he beat the female version who couldn't wait to defend Israel and ignite Russia as well.
So you go ahead and give me a history lesson.
Speaking of history lessons, I'll answer your question, when you tell me why you took the the name of a big stupid bird?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Ostriches_cape_point_cropped.jpg/220px-Ostriches_cape_point_cropped.jpg)
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Talk about sense of entitlement?
Boomers worship the big buck?
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What is all this artificial division into arbitrary generations? Human beings are sinners. No person had any choice in his date of birth. That is all in God's Will.
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Alaric, I pray you will be able to rise above your bitterness and forgive your imperfect father.
I know, i'm generalizing a bit. I am speaking of mainly my own experience for the most part.
But I've been dealing with BB's my entire life and can just tell you my own life experience and perception of that generation. And i'm not impressed. the majority were about as greedy, selfish and narcissitic a people as they come. they had the best of everything and didn't leave much on the plate for anyone else who came behind them. We went from "greatest" generation to the spoilest generation in a matter of decades. And to be honest, the next generation wasn't much better. In a way, I even kind of feel bad for the millenials sometimes, the last three generations managed to screw things up pretty good around here and not leave them much in many ways. They certainly don't have half the oppourtunites the Boomers had. Or money.
I suppose that was God's will. Or perhaps a bunch of greedy boomers. I know we love to blame God on our mistakes.
Or perhaps the devil made them do it.
As for my father, I forgave him a long time ago, he is what he is. Just another mammon-worshipping BB.
All about the shekels for him.
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Not all of us are "the same people" who you blame. This unfair generalization is the same type of "reasoning" which leads people to unfairly attack Judge Kavenaugh, as if he represents all the evil men who abuse women and get away with it.
btw, my dh is a boomer and his pension was stolen. We are now trying to get by on 0% interest on a couple of IRAs, leaving us somewhat jealous of the "greatest generation" who were earning 18% interest on their savings while we were a young family making house payments with 18% interest.
Someone on this thread mocked seniors who are always looking for a coupon for an affordable breakfast. That's what happens when the bankers have enslaved all of us into economic bondage.
I'm sorry to hear that. Stealing from the working poor is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.
Hopfully, one day, God will answer that cry.
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Alaric, thank you for your response.
My mention of the will of God referred directly to our birthdates. God chooses who is born and when.
I just find the whole artificial division of generations to be ... well, artificial. It seems to me to be a fabrication of MSM. Maybe, I'm wrong. Does somebody know the history of this seemingly modern phenomenon?
It is a great grace to have forgiven your father. God bless.
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Alaric, thank you for your response.
My mention of the will of God referred directly to our birthdates. God chooses who is born and when.
I just find the whole artificial division of generations to be ... well, artificial. It seems to me to be a fabrication of MSM. Maybe, I'm wrong. Does somebody know the history of this seemingly modern phenomenon?
It is a great grace to have forgiven your father. God bless.
I think that there are general characteristics associated with people born in various periods. For example, people formed during the Great Depression share similarities.
All people are sinners. People of the same generation are likely to have similar sinful tendencies. Devout Catholics of any time period would be fighting against their own sinful tendencies so I would expect them to demonstrate these generational faults less than others.
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You act worse than all those godless Social Justice Warriors, and present yourself as emotionally stirred up and irrational.
Says the guy who dragged feminism and SJW's into this thread.
Try and stay on point here.
Let me answer with Nadir:
I just find the whole artificial division of generations to be ... well, artificial.
Feminists and Social Justice Warriors are incited to destroy all institutions, all natural bonds. Same thing with division of generations. Divide and conquer as announced and executed by cultural communists Antonio Gramsci, Frankfurter Schule, Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, etc. pp.
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Baby-booming, bible-thumping Israel-firsters have been pushing and fighting zionists wars now for quite some time.
Look, the age of Babyboomers did not start more than 100 years ago, while Professor George Friedman explains that the plans for many wars did:
https://youtu.be/gcj8xN2UDKc
At 1'40" he explains in a few words what "the primordial interest of the U.S." have been since WWI.
(If you have the time: it's well worth it watching the whole show.)
Matter of fact, we have a baby-boomer water-boy for the jews and Israel in the white house now, just begging to start WW3. And he beat the female version who couldn't wait to defend Israel and ignite Russia as well.
So you go ahead and give me a history lesson.
What does the fact that Jews run the U.S. (and the whole 'west' and more) have to do with Baby Boomers? The U.S. has been a revolutionary Freemason and Illuminati Republic since the beginning. What is the U.S. constitution and the U.S. other than the antithesis of the Holy Roman Empire? And who controls the secret societies?
Speaking of history lessons, I'll answer your question, when you tell me why you took the the name of a big stupid bird?
It's the latin translation of my real surname, which in my mother tongue has several meanings one of which is the name of that clumsy bird.
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I think that there are general characteristics associated with people born in various periods. For example, people formed during the Great Depression share similarities.
All people are sinners. People of the same generation are likely to have similar sinful tendencies. Devout Catholics of any time period would be fighting against their own sinful tendencies so I would expect them to demonstrate these generational faults less than others.
Yes, general characteristics.
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But I never heard of Great Depression Generation, just people who suffered hardship and deprivation, my own parents among them. (Both of their families left the country for the city. When my father started work it was not easy for a Catholic to find work, for example, and as his father was disabled it was my father, as a boy, who supported his family of seven souls.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_Australia#Varying_experiences_of_the_Great_Depression
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But this was not a way of dividing people from each other, according to generation.
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That's why I asked
Does somebody know the history of this seemingly modern phenomenon?
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Struthio has given a few pointers to it. As (traditional) Catholics we need to examine the roots of these sources of contention.
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I just find the whole artificial division of generations to be ... well, artificial. It seems to me to be a fabrication of MSM. Maybe, I'm wrong. Does somebody know the history of this seemingly modern phenomenon?
There is a Wikipedia article (however reliable that is) about using "generation" as a category like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation) It gives some of the history.
Social generations are cohorts of people born in the same date range and who share similar cultural experiences.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#cite_note-10) The idea of a social generation, in the sense that it is used today, gained currency in the 19th century. Prior to that the concept "generation" had generally referred to family relationships and not broader social groupings. In 1863, French lexicographer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicographer) Emile Littré (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Littr%C3%A9) had defined a generation as, "all men living more or less at the same time".[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#cite_note-Wohl203-11)
Several trends promoted a new idea of generations, as the 19th century wore on, of a society divided into different categories of people based on age. These trends were all related to the processes of modernisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernisation), industrialisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialisation), or westernisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westernisation), which had been changing the face of Europe since the mid-18th century. One was a change in mentality about time and social change. The increasing prevalence of enlightenment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment) ideas encouraged the idea that society and life were changeable, and that civilization could progress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_progress).
Just about every evil in our society has its roots in so-called "Enlightenment" ideas. If this is the source of the popular concept of generations, I expect no good from it. The article also says that a factor in the development of the concept was "the breakdown of traditional social and regional identifications". That also sounds quite negative.
As (traditional) Catholics we need to examine the roots of these sources of contention.
I found this a helpful and insightful comment. This concept of generation is indeed a "source of contention". In reading the article, I saw that ever since the idea arose, it involved an aspect of conflict between generations. This explains why Struthio saw the parallels between this and cultural Marxism. Just as feminists and SJWs pit various groups of people against each other, modeled on the original Marxist "class warfare", generation theory pits people of different ages against each other. It creates a division between people and then frames the relationship between the groups as one of conflict.
It is clear to me, looking at the history of the idea, that is antithetical to Catholicism. While I remain convinced that there are similarities among people who have experienced similar formative cultural events, I think we need to be extremely cautious in using this concept in social analysis. We should be even more concerned if we find ourselves angry or hostile toward a specific "generation".
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There is a Wikipedia article (however reliable that is) about using "generation" as a category like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation) It gives some of the history.
Just about every evil in our society has its roots in so-called "Enlightenment" ideas. If this is the source of the popular concept of generations, I expect no good from it. The article also says that a factor in the development of the concept was "the breakdown of traditional social and regional identifications". That also sounds quite negative.
I found this a helpful and insightful comment. This concept of generation is indeed a "source of contention". In reading the article, I saw that ever since the idea arose, it involved an aspect of conflict between generations. This explains why Struthio saw the parallels between this and cultural Marxism. Just as feminists and SJWs pit various groups of people against each other, modeled on the original Marxist "class warfare", generation theory pits people of different ages against each other. It creates a division between people and then frames the relationship between the groups as one of conflict.
It is clear to me, looking at the history of the idea, that is antithetical to Catholicism. While I remain convinced that there are similarities among people who have experienced similar formative cultural events, I think we need to be extremely cautious in using this concept in social analysis. We should be even more concerned if we find ourselves angry or hostile toward a specific "generation".
Great points Jayne. I remember that the artificial notion of "teenagers" was launched in Life Magazine in 1944. I wonder if the invention of other arbitrary age groups was deliberate.
The Invention of Teenagers: LIFE and the Triumph of Youth Culture
Historians and social critics differ on the specifics of the timeline, but most cultural observers agree that the strange and fascinating creature known as the American teenager — as we now understand the species — came into being sometime in the early 1940s. This is not to say that for millennia human beings had somehow passed from childhood to adulthood without enduring the squalls of adolescence. But the modern notion of the teen years as a recognized, quantifiable life stage, complete with its own fashions, behavior, vernacular and arcane rituals, simply did not exist until the post-Depression era.
Here, in the first of a series of galleries on the evolution of LIFE magazine's — and, by extension, America's — view of teenagers through the middle part of the 20th century, LIFE.com presents photos that the inimitable Nina Leen shot for a December 1944 article, "Teen-Age Girls: They Live in a Wonderful World of Their Own."
http://time.com/3639041/the-invention-of-teenagers-life-and-the-triumph-of-youth-culture/