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Baby Boomers....
« on: September 23, 2018, 07:27:56 AM »
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    Baby Boomers -- I could make a topic on that group alone.
    You should. And I apologize if I offend some of our elder trads (which I'm not far off, believe me) who have been trying and  doing the right thing all these years. But, in my estimation, there has never been a more self-centered, selfish, phoney group of spoiled ingrates in the history of civilization, outside maybe the decadent Romans and some other empires. And even then, it was only a smaller sect of upper society and elitists that enjoyed such lavish and affluent lifestyles with total disregard for the next generation, even their own children. Crass materialism and a sense of entitlement could not more correctly define this  herd of "me-firsters". And maybe it's just that they lived in such good times of wealth and opportunity and within fallen human nature not not give a crap about anything or anyone  else, but the majority of them were really pathetic and help bring down this nation and the Church at large.

    And think about the fruits of all this "freedom", money and selfishness they brought upon us; Abortion, Contraception,Feminism, Liberalism, Homosexuality normalization, Open Borders, etc.

    They also sucked up all the pensions, social security, well paying jobs, etc. And then moved on to live the high life "retiring" in their early to mid 50's down in Florida or down "South" or out "West" somewhere, totally isolating themselves from their children and grandchildren (if they had any at all) so they could live out the rest of their selfish days with others like themselves. Hence "retirement communities". what a pathetic display of anti-family values if there ever was one.

    And i'm just getting started. So go ahead Matthew and start a topic on this group (Matter of fact I will), I have a whole truckload to bring.

    Sorry for the rant, but this one is personal.

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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 01:28:01 PM »
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  • Well, it's just that they brought in or made popular SO many bad things:

    * 30 year mortgage, which you pay on for 30 years (no paying off early!)
    * Sending kids to public school and/or daycare
    * They went along with the entire vaccination schedule, even though it was much tamer (fewer shots) than the one they use today.
    * In general, Boomers are extremely mainstream about everything. They never step outside the lines, question the way everyone does things, or think outside the box.
    * Formula feeding of infants instead of breastfeeding
    * Curious limitation of family size to 3-4 children, even among Traditional Catholics
    * Very liberal with regards to TV use, child companions, and child-rearing in general: very hands-off or on the liberal side of the spectrum (the exact opposite of over-sheltering children)
    * Very liberal in terms of traditional gender roles: more often than not, the wife worked, even if it's just to raise the standard of living (see "Middle-class lifestyle")
    * Baby Boomers were the original suckers who bought into the "American dream" and/or the "Middle-class lifestyle"
    * Baby Boomers have a hangup about deserving a higher standard of living the older they get. Their pride bristles at reducing their expenses (even if economically necessary) because it would mean "living like a 20 year old". "I worked my butt off for 30 years..." and all that. They feel that entitles them to a certain level of luxury and comfort.
    * Very selfish and nuclear: They continued/perpetuated the whole "nuclear family" idea. That is to say, each person should start his own household and be independent of other family members, except for one's own children and one's spouse. That is as much "family" as should live together, at least ideally.
    * Related to the previous, these Boomers (possibly continued, they might not have invented it) the whole "kick out your son when he turns 18". 
    * Unlike Hispanic and other cultures, the independence mindset extends to one's grown children: Baby Boomer parents don't concern themselves with the overall or long-term welfare of their extended family. Each person is on their own vs. the dog-eat-dog world. That's why the Bankers have a field day making money off most White middle class people. Compare with Hispanic culture: parents make sure the children are set up well, loaning them money interest-free on their first house, giving them a old used car, stuff like that, so they don't start out life saddled by high-interest debt. In general, extended family members look out for each other in other cultures, but never among Baby Boomers.
    * Inflating the stock market, real estate like a ponzi scheme (whether or not it was their fault, they certainly were the winners in both of these ponzi schemes, and this bonus wealth certainly affected them)
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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 01:40:53 PM »
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  • Biggest issue is their limiting of children ... all in line with their extreme selfishness.  By doing so, they will soon become an unsustainable burden on the economy.  It's easier financially for 6-8 children to care for their parents than for 1-2.

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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 01:42:44 PM »
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  • You can replace "I say" with "Trads believe" or "Most Trads believe".

    I say "Traditional Catholic Faith", Boomers let the Novus Ordo take over and thrive.
    Seriously, the whole thing happened on their watch. If they had all rejected it, the Novus Ordo would be ghost town by now. Even worse, the fiercest "conservative" force to keep and defend the Novus Ordo religion is made up of Baby Boomers. All the other generations are at least craning their neck to look at the Traditional world and former Catholic practices/beliefs, the Tridentine Mass, etc. Not the Baby Boomers; they want no part of "the way the Church used to be". These polyester pantsuit wearing, extraordinary minister, feminist, sentiment-over-reason, "I love being a lector during Mass" Baby Boomers will have none of it.
    I say, "Big Pharma is poisoning America", Boomers completely believe in Big Pharma's magic drugs and have 20 bottles of them on their kitchen counter.
    I say, "The country has fallen so low over the past 50 years", and it was all on the Boomers' watch!
    I say, "Abortion is a sin crying to heaven for vengeance", Boomers presided over its legalization, and continued legality until the present day.
    I say "Breastfeeding is natural and best for the baby", Boomers always preferred formula feeding.
    I say, "Females should wear skirts or dresses", Boomers continued the custom of women wearing pants almost exclusively.
    I say "Women should stay at home with the kids unless it's an emergency.", Boomers prefer women to work, merely to increase standard of living, unless it's an emergency.
    I say "Many or most vaccines are harmful.", Boomers vaccinated their children 100% of the vaccination schedule that existed at the time.
    I say "Public school is antagonistic to religion and the truth. Home school is necessary!", Boomers almost without exception public-schooled their children.
    I say "We need to avoid paying interest as much as possible.", Boomers institutionalized the 30 year mortgage which they pay on for all 30 years.
    I say "Midwives know way more about how to birth a baby successfully than doctors.", Boomers didn't give midwives much business at all. Hospital delivery all the way.
    I say "The stock market is a ponzi scheme", the Boomers are the ones who went all-in and pumped it up. They "got in on the ground floor" of the scheme.
    I say "Children are the highest blessing, and shouldn't be limited by natural OR artificial means.", virtually all Boomers agreed that 4 children was the upper limit -- the first generation to limit family size to anything less than "the natural average" (in other words, Boomers always have more siblings than children)
    I say "It's not good to spoil one's children materially", Boomers invented the "each kid gets his own room with private TV"
    I say "College is not ideal for all -- some should do vocational school, apprenticeship, etc.", Boomers think everyone should go to college and they often pay their child's way, since he didn't get good enough grades for a scholarship (if you ask me, that's a red flag he isn't meant for "higher education")

    In short, countless messed up (from a Catholic perspective) institutions today were invented, supported, cultivated, grown, etc. thanks to the support and patronage of the Boomer generation.

    Source: personal experience with hundreds of Baby Boomers in my lifetime, plus even more experience gained through reading.

    Note: This does not apply to every single Baby Boomer, but it certainly is an accurate generalization of that generation. If you can show me that I'm wrong about any of these things, I'd be open to listen. But note that the exception proves the rule.
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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2018, 01:45:43 PM »
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  • Biggest issue is their limiting of children ... all in line with their extreme selfishness.  By doing so, they will soon become an unsustainable burden on the economy.  It's easier financially for 6-8 children to care for their parents than for 1-2.
    Yes.
    But the large family trend 
    Did not last. I don't see large young families anymore. 


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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #5 on: September 23, 2018, 02:41:16 PM »
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  • Yes.
    But the large family trend
    Did not last. I don't see large young families anymore.
    Not everyone is fertile due to geo-engineering, vaccines that cause infertility, glyphosate usage (causes miscarriages), glyphosate sprayed in air through geo-engineering and farming, eating non-organic foods sprayed with glyphosates, eating sugar and junk food that causes diabetes (causes complications during pregnancy), eating restaurant foods loaded with sugars, glyphosates and pesticides, eating donuts and bagels at church gatherings (loaded with artificial sugars and glyphosates).

    We are being assaulted everywhere we go with glyphosates that not only cause infertility but also cause cancer. Those babies that survive in the womb are increasingly being born with cancer. This is so sad. I have seen sick babies coming for baptism with the parents hoping and praying that Baptism will cure that very sick baby. There was a two-month old baby with a huge disfiguring cancerous tumor all over its nose so it could barely breathe. Others have enlarged brains due to a fast growing brain cancer. While others suffer from leukemia. These are newborns! Lord have mercy.

    And the real tragedy is that these babies who are stricken with cancer are forced into hospitals, which prescribe surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy with or without parental consent. Oftentimes, these babies are taken by court order through Child Protective Services (pedophilia ridden) and placed in Children's hospitals where their own parents cannot visit them. These precious babies die without parental contact and bonding.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #6 on: September 23, 2018, 06:05:49 PM »
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    I say "Traditional Catholic Faith", Boomers let the Novus Ordo take over and thrive. 
    This is interesting. Because, I know a ton of these Boomers, who, go to Mass religiously every week, they show up yacking away in the back or the vestibule, very rarely kneel down and pray or  have any deep reflection before the Mass, browse through the Church bulletin, commenting on every paragraph loooking for the next free or "cheap" breakfast or BBQ. Almost none of them have any special devotion to our BM, almost never go to confession before the Mass and just about all recieve the Sacrament of the Eucharist. While just about all and I mean ALL take communion in hand and almost never kneel at the altar.

    The only ones I ever seen remotley are the real old ones, the pre-boomers who are in their eighties now and even many of them have lost the sense of the Holiness of the Mass and any sense of tradition. Even my mother-in-law, who is in her mid eighties, a very devoted Italian American Catholic  who emigrated from the old country many moons ago, takes Communion in hand. But THAT'S what the Church told her to do after VII, but she is very unconscious it is wrong, but she tries and  does it in a very respectful and holy matter. She also raised eight children, basically by herself, very conservative, traditional with old world values. Not a feminist bone in her body. Unlike the rest of these  Boomer feminista's and eucharistic "ministers" infesting the pews and altars in the Novus Ordo across the country.I couldn't stand five minutes in those glee clubs disguised as "churches".

    As for all  the Boomers "letting" the NO take over, I'm not sure about that. I know a few that knew SOMETHING was wrong, but couldn't wrap their head around it. Many actually left and went Evangelical, espeically  when the whole sodomy scandals began to surface and when they seen that the Church itself wanted to stop actually being "catholic". But, also many stayed and felt quite comfortable with the open and easy conditions with the "New Mass", because  that's what the Boomer is all about, ease and comfort. And when the system offers you low resistance to let go of your convictions and any sense  of the arduous and strenuous religious discipline, the soft, easy-street Boomer is all too willing to comply. 

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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #7 on: September 23, 2018, 06:21:56 PM »
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  • Well, it's just that they brought in or made popular SO many bad things:

    * 30 year mortgage, which you pay on for 30 years (no paying off early!)
    * Sending kids to public school and/or daycare
    * They went along with the entire vaccination schedule, even though it was much tamer (fewer shots) than the one they use today.
    * In general, Boomers are extremely mainstream about everything. They never step outside the lines, question the way everyone does things, or think outside the box.
    * Formula feeding of infants instead of breastfeeding
    * Curious limitation of family size to 3-4 children, even among Traditional Catholics
    * Very liberal with regards to TV use, child companions, and child-rearing in general: very hands-off or on the liberal side of the spectrum (the exact opposite of over-sheltering children)
    * Very liberal in terms of traditional gender roles: more often than not, the wife worked, even if it's just to raise the standard of living (see "Middle-class lifestyle")
    * Baby Boomers were the original suckers who bought into the "American dream" and/or the "Middle-class lifestyle"
    * Baby Boomers have a hangup about deserving a higher standard of living the older they get. Their pride bristles at reducing their expenses (even if economically necessary) because it would mean "living like a 20 year old". "I worked my butt off for 30 years..." and all that. They feel that entitles them to a certain level of luxury and comfort.
    * Very selfish and nuclear: They continued/perpetuated the whole "nuclear family" idea. That is to say, each person should start his own household and be independent of other family members, except for one's own children and one's spouse. That is as much "family" as should live together, at least ideally.
    * Related to the previous, these Boomers (possibly continued, they might not have invented it) the whole "kick out your son when he turns 18".
    * Unlike Hispanic and other cultures, the independence mindset extends to one's grown children: Baby Boomer parents don't concern themselves with the overall or long-term welfare of their extended family. Each person is on their own vs. the dog-eat-dog world. That's why the Bankers have a field day making money off most White middle class people. Compare with Hispanic culture: parents make sure the children are set up well, loaning them money interest-free on their first house, giving them a old used car, stuff like that, so they don't start out life saddled by high-interest debt. In general, extended family members look out for each other in other cultures, but never among Baby Boomers.
    * Inflating the stock market, real estate like a ponzi scheme (whether or not it was their fault, they certainly were the winners in both of these ponzi schemes, and this bonus wealth certainly affected them)
    At the risk of picking and poking on various points of your post. I can sum up the Boomer mentality and what they revered and worshipped more than anything with one word; Money.
    That's what the Boomer sold everything out for. The almighty buck. 
    It was all about them and winning with the most toys at the end, was all that counted.
    And they sold out their progeny in the process. Now all the pensions, social security, fair/just  wage,everything is collapsing trying to pay for them living the high life. they will be the first generation in American history where their children and grand children will have a lower standard of living than they did. I hope it was worth you selfish bastards.
    Sorry again for the hatred and  vileness Matthew. I am seeing and living this first hand of the devastating blow from this generation and their selfish, sense of entitlement and complete disregard for the next generation. and I'm sick to my stomach. I have prayed and ask forgivness for my complete disdain for this group without much success.I guess it's a work in progress. Maybe this is therapy for me. 


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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #8 on: September 23, 2018, 07:08:42 PM »
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  • Sorry again for the hatred and  vileness Matthew. I am seeing and living this first hand of the devastating blow from this generation and their selfish, sense of entitlement and complete disregard for the next generation. and I'm sick to my stomach. I have prayed and ask forgivness for my complete disdain for this group without much success.I guess it's a work in progress. Maybe this is therapy for me.
    Would it help you to deal with your anger if you focused on the exceptions?  I was born in 1958 and virtually none of the things said about Boomers in this thread is true about me.  I had seven children, prefer midwives, breastfed, homeschooled, avoid medications, wear dresses, etc.

    I don't disagree that, as a group, we have negative characteristics, but some of us did reject typical Boomer behaviour.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 23, 2018, 07:25:22 PM »
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  • I am a child of baby boomers and find most of these points to be accurate generalizations. I think the generations after them were dealt a bad hand and have been given unpayable debts to pay to cover for the baby boomers' expenses. And the boomers did not have enough children to cover those debts. But our generation is no better in my experience though there is a small counter-culture of which the traditional Catholics are a part. I do wonder if we will pay for the debts incurred by the baby boomers or if we will default on those debts and refuse to pay them, and if we will support and protect our baby boomer parents in their old age or if there will be mass euthanasia after a refusal to pay the bills.
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  • I am a child of baby boomers and find most of these points to be accurate generalizations. I think the generations after them were dealt a bad hand and have been given unpayable debts to pay to cover for the baby boomers' expenses. And the boomers did not have enough children to cover those debts. But our generation is no better in my experience though there is a small counter-culture of which the traditional Catholics are a part. I do wonder if we will pay for the debts incurred by the baby boomers or if we will default on those debts and refuse to pay them, and if we will support and protect our baby boomer parents in their old age or if there will be mass euthanasia after a refusal to pay the bills.
    Although on the tail end of the Boomers, born 1960, I'm more in the position of the next generation. The Boomer generation of which I'm part messed up big time. I don't see that can ever retire as I make just enough to live on.  My parents bought into the small family idea, also, the notion of the children moving out at 18.  There are only two of us.  My sister is deep in debt, divorced with two teenage boys.  She does nothing to assist our parents, not even calling them unless she needs money.  She quit going to mass at age 14 because a priest advised my father not to force her.  For me, eight years her senior, the rules were entirely different.  I went to mass every Sunday, to catechism when it was available, and if a school sport, event, or trip was on a Sunday or holy day, I didn't go.  We lived an upper middle class life on one income. Dad retired at 58, after working at the same place for 42 years.  He went to university on the GI Bill, got his doctorate free of charge.  I worked my way through to two Master's degrees, but because of the degeneration of public education, have never made a living wage in parochial and other private schools.  I've always had to work extra jobs to survive.  My parents don't understand why I never married, don't have a good paying job with a nice pension and benefits, or why my sister married a bum from a foreign country.  They lament the fact that their grandsons don't seem to have friends from "good, stable homes."  They are pretty much in denial that the world is as it is.  
    I'm a disappointment to them as I have no children, nothing to pass on, only to take what they leave behind.  I do not see anything positive so far as my future in this world.  I'll not be surprised if I die within 8-10 years, probably homeless, found somewhere by someone.  I don't expect Last Rites or a Catholic burial as I will be alone in this world and have not the means for these things.


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    Re: Baby Boomers....
    « Reply #11 on: September 23, 2018, 09:17:10 PM »
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  • Almost every complaint I see about the Baby Boomers above apply to the generation before the Baby Boomers--the so-called "Greatest Generation".  Many of those things were started by that generation and the Baby Boomers merely kept things going.  For example:

    The 30-year mortgage started in 1934.
    Public schools started in the prior century.
    Immunization schedules began, for the most part, ON the Baby Boomers.  The Boomers expanded it to a zillion shots.
    The explosion of baby forumula began in the 1940s and 1950s--to feed the Boomers.
    It was the Baby Boomers who were put in front of televisions by the previous generation.
    And don't blame Boomers for the Novus Ordo or the Crisis in the Church.

    The Baby Boomers can be blamed for not even trying to fix the problems, but, by and large, they really can't be blamed for creating the problems.

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  • And think about the fruits of all this "freedom", money and selfishness they brought upon us; Abortion, Contraception,Feminism, Liberalism, Homosexuality normalization, Open Borders, etc.

    Ohh the irony... the wonderful fruits that were reaped by the complete destruction of those nasty Nazis! 

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    The Baby Boomers can be blamed for not even trying to fix the problems, but, by and large, they really can't be blamed for creating the problems.


    Great point.  The baby boomers lived through the chaos of V2, the aftermath of the 60s, and the crazy 70s, with all the social and racial unrest.  Life was one big revolution.  Change upon change. Their outlook on life is a symptom not the cause.

    The cause was the loss of faith post WWI and WWII, the acceptance of divorce and the pill in the 40s and 50s, the acceptance of Eisenhower’s social “new deal” (ie Medicare, social security), the over-reliance on catholic parochial schools in the 40s/50s, the culmination of the “women’s suffrage” movement which led to women in the workforce post WWII, the demand for legalized abortion in the 70s, the acceptance of the drug culture in the 60s and last, but CERTAINLY not least, the acceptance of V2 and the rejection of Church traditions.  

    ALL of the above was accepted by the PARENTS of the baby boomers.  Their generation is FULLY to blame for ALL of our messes, both spiritual and societal.  The baby boomers were teens and 20 year olds in the 70s - how can they be blamed?  Sure, they have many defects, but their parents messed them up totally.  Their parents are the ones who gave up the faith, accepted socialism and wanted some utopian “new age society”.

    Blaming the baby boomers for our current problems is like blaming V2 as the start of the Church crisis.  Both were the symptoms, not the cause of the problem.  

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  • I think that a great deal of blame can be attributed to the Suffergette movement of the early 1900’s and the march of feminism stemming from the need for female workers in WWI. 

    From this came the masculinisation of women in dress and behaviour, the acceptance of birth control, the catastrophic decline in personal morality and the gradual destruction of the family. 


     

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