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Baby Boomer values in 2012 - why they must be rejected
« on: May 01, 2012, 05:39:20 PM »
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  • I have a friend who has 100% accepted his father's Baby Boomer values, which makes him quite rare among his peers today. It got me thinking about how we all NEED to reject Baby Boomer values (a.k.a. The American Dream) on a worldly level, and sometimes even for higher reasons.

    Baby Boomer culture or values consists of the following:

    Quote from: Baby Boomers
    Go to public school, get good grades, go to college (even if you have to get student loans for it). Work a part-time job to pay for part of it.

    By age 18, you should be enrolled in a traditional college, not living at home.

    College will bring you a good job (working for a company) with health insurance, 401K, job security, etc. Upon getting your first job, immediately begin investing for retirement in the stock market.

    Don't work for yourself, or do anything unconventional. Work for the man! Get hired by a company and work 40 years for them, and then draw a lifetime pension from that company.

    As soon as you can, buy a house! No apartments, living with friends/family or getting creative with your living arrangements. Once you have a house, get married and have several children, in a hospital of course using a traditional obstetrician (no midwives!)

    And that house you bought? Pay monthly payments on that house for 30 years. No sending in extra payments to pay off that mortgage early! Extra money should be put into a savings account (earning 1%, while you pay 5.5% on your mortage) or in a college fund for your children.

    If you end up having several C-Sections, no matter because it's God's will for you to only have 4 children. (NOTE: How many Baby Boomers do you know that had more than 4 children -- Catholic or otherwise?)

    Besides, how can you "afford" more than 4 children anyhow? You have to put them all through college. Good thing Catholics have NFP and Protestants have birth control...

    When the children start coming along, make sure they get all their shots and then send them off to public school (what is "homeschooling"?)

    But above all else, always try your best to fit in with the world around you!


    Later, rinse, repeat!
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    Baby Boomer values in 2012 - why they must be rejected
    « Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »
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  • IS there something wrong with c-sections? My wife needed it done for both pregnancies because of complications of our first daughter, and then with the twins as well.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 05:46:51 PM »
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  • I think Baby Boomer values are anathema.

    Sure, I'm all for hard work, but that's about where our similarities end.

    Here's the reality for life in 2012:

    Homeschool your children. Make sure your children know the material, because your homeschool "diploma" might not carry much weight with some.

    College is NOT a guarantee of a lifetime income stream. One must be able to deliver actual WORK, not just be a cog in some company. Since you are doing actual WORK, why not do it for your own company? If you can't do it for your own company, you're probably not doing actual work!

    Instead of expensive college, try apprenticeships, trade schools, or learning on your own. Being able to "deliver the goods" is much more important than having a piece of paper (=degree).

    Above all else, avoid debt! The modern economy requires this. That goes for mortgages, car payments, student loans, and credit card debt. Do without, or get creative, to achieve this end.

    Who cares if Ward Cleaver wouldn't have done it? This isn't the 1950s!

    When you get married, buy a house if you can afford it, but don't buy too much house. Also, buy some land -- it will be necessary going forward. And when the children come along, find a good midwife. Modern obstetricians have NO CLUE how to deliver babies -- the 35% C-section rate says it all!

    Avoid most vaccinations. They are unnecessary, often don't work, there are WAY too many of them compared to the 1980s, many use aborted fetal cells, and many contain cancer cells, heavy metals, etc.

    Moreover, they are often given in "cocktails" which were untested (they test each vaccine separately, but not as a "cocktail") and they give them to babies and children who are too young for them.

    And above all else, do your best to NOT care what the messed-up modern world thinks of you, which is insane on both a natural AND a supernatural level.

    And so forth.
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    « Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 05:50:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    IS there something wrong with c-sections? My wife needed it done for both pregnancies because of complications of our first daughter, and then with the twins as well.


    What's wrong with C-sections?

    They are major surgery, they end up limiting family size by necessity, but most importantly the American medical system does TOO MANY OF THEM.

    1 in 3 births is by C-section now. Ridiculous!

    Modern obstetricians are too proud -- they want to "get involved" and use their newfangled technology rather than stand back with awe and humbly admit that God designed women properly to give birth.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 05:59:02 PM »
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  • The rise in c-sections is actually about malpractice insulation. To protect themselves from lawsuits, as soon as there are any non-reassuring indications during labor (e.g., fetal hypoxia, which in turn could cause cerebral palsy), OB-GYNs will go straight to the c-section. Blame the filthy tort lawyers.
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    Baby Boomer values in 2012 - why they must be rejected
    « Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 07:20:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew


    ...Homeschool your children...



    That is posibly the most important piece of advice in that post.

    It is vital.

    Put your souls and your children's souls, before any other consideration.


    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 07:30:48 PM »
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    ...And above all else, do your best to NOT care what the messed-up modern world thinks of you, which is insane on both a natural AND a supernatural level....


    That piece may be the most important, actually.
    They are both very important.

    What is necessary is for Catholic parents to hold fast to the Faith, and to keep traditional Catholic Family values.

    And NEVER make the mistake of believing that somehow your children will not lose the Faith in public schools.
      You run a serious risk that your children will lose the Faith in most Catholic schools.

    The CMRI schools are actually the only schools that I can recommend.

    If you cannot send your children to the CMRI schools, then homeschool them.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 11:56:59 PM »
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    IS there something wrong with c-sections? My wife needed it done for both pregnancies because of complications of our first daughter, and then with the twins as well.


    It's a battle for moms that they shouldn't have to endure. Yes, I've heard of a 13-child family where all were born c-section, but what is more likely is that the mom will become convinced that limiting the size of her family is medically necessary due to the risk of many c-sections.

    Doctors will rightly tell you c-sections aren't risky, but they're presuming you'll only be having 2 or 3, not 10+.

    What Jitpring said about lawsuits might be true about where the whole mess started, but it's much more than that now. Why would a doctor want to sit around for hours waiting on a slow labor when a c-section could be done and over in a half hour? Most OBGYNs today take more pride in their surgical abilities than their ability to aid a woman through a smooth delivery. Even nurses are discouraged from helping mothers naturally reduce labor pain because it equates to a drop in the need for epidurals and likewise the profits of the anesthesiologists.

    PS. Was your wife even given the option of laboring with the twins? I think most docs schedule c-sections for multiples as if it's a given that delivering them is impossible.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 08:58:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    PS. Was your wife even given the option of laboring with the twins? I think most docs schedule c-sections for multiples as if it's a given that delivering them is impossible.


    I don't know the details. But I think not. Something about the position of the twins (not flipping?). I know she has what is called a 'heart shaped uterus', which places her in a 'high-risk' type of pregnancy; its not high risk in the sense that everyone freaks out, just that she gets extra attention during the pregnancy. It somehow obstructs the babies from being able to flip.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 08:54:01 PM »
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  • My Mom had six children and all by C-section.  My wife's latest child was born via C-section (9 lbs).  

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    « Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 08:55:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    My Mom had six children and all by C-section.  My wife's latest child was born via C-section (9 lbs).  


    My quote notwithstanding, baby boomer values are pretty banal.



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    « Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 09:03:33 PM »
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  • My grandmother had six C-sections.  Her seventh child, a daughter, died in infancy, probably because of it.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 03, 2012, 12:08:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    My Mom had six children and all by C-section.  My wife's latest child was born via C-section (9 lbs).  


    My two 9 lb children were born via c-section (among other things, the doc said they were too big). My 9.5 and 10 lb children were delivered naturally by midwives after those c-sections! With two uneventful vbacs, my midwife doesn't have a problem with us having a home birth with our next if we choose to do so.

    You can't accurately compare c-section policies a generation ago with those of today as the incisions were done differently. It used to be that one c-section meant all of your future children would have to be born that way, but that isn't true anymore. Each woman has a unique set of circuмstances which might or might not make a VBAC a good choice for her. But, the standards of most doctors / hospitals for what would make for a good VBAC candidate is WAY TOO RESTRICTIVE -- some hospitals flat out disallowing them altogether.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 03, 2012, 01:09:17 AM »
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    PS. Was your wife even given the option of laboring with the twins? I think most docs schedule c-sections for multiples as if it's a given that delivering them is impossible.


    I don't know the details. But I think not. Something about the position of the twins (not flipping?). I know she has what is called a 'heart shaped uterus', which places her in a 'high-risk' type of pregnancy; its not high risk in the sense that everyone freaks out, just that she gets extra attention during the pregnancy. It somehow obstructs the babies from being able to flip.


    Yes, a bicornaute uterus comes with an increased (like 50%) chance of breech position. Again, many a hospital won't allow for a breech delivery. I've read tale of women who are at 10cm and ready to deliver and then get wheeled into the operating room because it is discovered the baby is breech and attempting delivery is against policy.

    On the other hand, here's a woman who delivered a breech baby at home with no interventions after two previous c-sections due to breech position:

    (link obviously contains images of birthing women and newborn babies--and whatever else might happen to come up on the YouTube sidebar)

    God certainly didn't design labor and delivery to be risk-free, but personally I tend to prefer taking my chances with the God-given situation unless a TRUSTED (pretty much excludes 99% of OB-GYNs) medical professional recommends otherwise. We're blessed here to have many good midwives in the area (and 1 or 2 acceptable doctors  :smirk:).
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