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Re: Babies at daily Mass
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2017, 04:23:09 PM »
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  • And it's those same Baby Boomers who heavily support the chapels ! ! !

    I've not read a more disgusting rant

    How many children did St. Rita have?  (2) Her husband didn't die until her boys were grown 
    St. Isadore (1)
    St. Monica (3)
    St. Benedict and St. Scolastica were the only children.
    St. Thomas More (4)
    Moses parents (3)
    Noah (3)

    The church has long taught men were to respect their wives until the child was weaned, roughly 2 years.
    and this was still common in the fifties and sixties.  






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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #31 on: August 12, 2017, 05:29:29 PM »
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  • What is this a sedevacantist echo chamber?

    Have any of you actually gone to an FSSP parish more than a few times? I doubt it.

    All their priests are ordained in the traditional rite, so what are you going on about?
    1. WHO ordained the alleged priest, FSSP or otherwise? (btw, the FSSP were instrumental in my adoption of the Sede position. The might actually edify a bit if you try to de-ass a mite hoss)
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #32 on: August 12, 2017, 05:32:52 PM »
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  • You don't know if FSSP priests are validly ordained, or if they were properly trained, or if they mix novus ordo hosts with their own hosts.  There are other problems with the indult.  Don't go to the FSSP.
    So, ALL FSSPX~ are traditionally ordained by VALID bishops?
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #33 on: August 12, 2017, 05:51:15 PM »
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  • You may wish to rephrase the question ma'am. Acronyms, validity, and politics aside, providing you don't violate other Church precepts or principle.
    1. Is there a CATHOLIC priest/bp to ask? (There is too much 'sifting' as is. If there is a question for a confessor, SD etc., and there's one there, no matter how otherwise to your "taste", then 'suck it up'. Don't be like the indulters who snub and snob the "mass" of their "church")
    2. Where is your man trad(?). The man IS the head, like it or not.
    3. Otherwise, "Suffer the little children…if any cause one of these little ones to stumble…" In light of1+2, anybody than doesn't like it can beef withJesus.

    out.
    Thanks to everyone for replying, but I started this thread to discuss bringing young children to Mass, not the FSSP.
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #34 on: August 12, 2017, 06:09:33 PM »
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  • Hopefully this is a reallyy stupid question: baptised?
     1. If no, (@@?)
     2. If yes, is the baptism
      1. Valid
      2. Complete, with all the (not absolutely necessary) smells, "bells and whistles"?

    In short, what's bugging the screaming poop machine? (I'm sry, but I've never engaged a diaper containing sugar, spice, or anything nice that gravity and natal incompetence didn't put there because the food hole is apparently optional)
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #35 on: August 12, 2017, 06:29:31 PM »
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  • Politics etc. aside (presuming valid/licit whatever)
    1. People we can't NORMALLY perceive are there,  esp. Christ.
    2. The angels of children are very proximate to God "24/7"
    3. Anyone who has any sense knows that just because one isn't of age or reason doesn't mean they've naught to say. Kids tend to chat up anyone. I'm thinking God beats "Stinky Pete" the warranty wino that scares nightmares. God is far more apppealing to those not headed for Hell. Maybe the brat wants a chat or a romp.
    yeh, i was thinking the same thing. I hate "disturbing" people in any way but I have been accused of "disturbing" people just by  walking, say to the restroom or outside the sanctuary for some reason. I think it is very rude and un=Christian to treat people like that. I had to explain to a priest once that, you know, people DO have issues/concerns/needs that must be taken care of wehther they are at Mass or not. If you drank a lot of water before going to Mass, obviously you may have to go to the restroom during Mass, thereby "disturbing" people. Some people just have malice in their heart and/or want to feel morally superior to others so they claim to be disturbed. If a crying baby causes you to stop focusing on Jesus, maybe you don't have such a good thing w/ Jesus? Do ya think?

    ??

    that is MY perspective
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #36 on: August 12, 2017, 07:00:38 PM »
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  • Just to temper a bit, in justice, what were those babies booming from? It doesn't make wrong right, but the curse of war doesn't end with "victory"

    At least no one solemnly invoked "The Greatest Genetation"


    I think some of the old, crusty, "head buried in their missal" codgers get upset about babies crying because
    A) they are Baby Boomers, and
    B) they didn't have many kids when they were younger. 3 or 4 children is NOT a natural, typical, or average number for a couple of average fertility.
    C) Yet it's a fact that Baby Boomers, with few exceptions, maxed out at 3 or 4 children. It is part of their generational culture.
    D) Having less kids means they didn't have as many experiences with their own babies crying during Mass.
    E) They are ultimately selfish, more concerned about their own Mass experience, particularly an emotional consolation or "Nice Internal Feelings" -- NIFs (tm) copyright Bishop Williamson. The future of Catholicism on the other hand? Who cares.
    This is the same group at my old SSPX chapel who always went to the first Mass (a nice Low Mass -- quicker, quieter, earlier, and almost no kids present!) were against St. Joseph's getting a new, bigger chapel -- although we sorely needed one -- because it would impact their Sunday routine. Who cares about apostolicity or the conversion/salvation of more souls. That's for others to suffer and inconvenience themselves for.

    Don't get me started with the Baby Boomer generation though..   I actually have more sympathy for the selfish, directionless, sarcastic Millennials than I do for the Baby Boomers as a generation.

    They can have their planned subdivisions, 30 year mortgages, insurance on everything, two-income households, "middle class lifestyle", public school, formula feeding, credit card debt/consumerism, hospital births, "everyone should go to college", trust in Big Pharma, and all the rest of it.

    I have literally rejected each one of those institutions, which the Baby Boomers stood for. There's not much about them (again, I'm talking about the generation, not individuals) that I admire, except for maybe their hard work ethic.
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #37 on: August 13, 2017, 01:11:10 PM »
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  • The church has long taught men were to respect their wives until the child was weaned, roughly 2 years.
    and this was still common in the fifties and sixties.  
    I'm glad my ancestors didn't follow your logic because most likely I wouldn't be here today. The average number of children before WWII, from my father's german side of things, was usually 12 or more. My grandfather was the eldest of 16, he had 9 sisters which all went and died in the convent. 

    Thank Goodness my father was from before the craze of the "Babyboom" era and maintained some sanity to combat the obsurd mentalities of the 50's and 60's. It's probably the only reason that I was able to have a full life living with the Traditional Mass and Faith and never had to step foot inside a NO church.

    So you want to use the number of children that the parents of saints had? How and why then could the great St Catherine of Siena been the youngest of 25, and her mother was only 40 when she was born!  Do the math...


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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #38 on: August 13, 2017, 01:56:44 PM »
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  • If you are doing your due diligence to keep the baby quiet in the chapel, and keeping the baby in the back of the chapel or in the cry room (if one is available), you have only to say two words to the bullies attacking you: "back off". 

    It worked well for me and they never bothered me again.

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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #39 on: August 13, 2017, 02:02:56 PM »
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  • I understand you disagree with my post but please read it and quote correctly

    1.  It wasn't my logic, it was the way parents were taught and advised by priests.
    Read The Marriage Manual by Kelly.

    2.  I didn't " use the number of children that the parents of saints had "
    I used the saints themselves and there were many more.

    If you do some investigating you'll find medically sound practices adapted from before the
    time of Christ practiced by the Jews, carried over into Christianity, for example the 40 days abstinence after
    childbirth.
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #40 on: August 14, 2017, 06:26:46 PM »
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  • It is very distracting to have a baby and especially multiple babies in Mass crying and being taken in and out, in and out. They really don't belong in there. 

    Just think about it this way: they would never be allowed to do this in a nice Opera or a similar venue. How much more so for attending the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? This is a modern thing and it is literally turning Masses into cry rooms in some cases. 

    The priest should really say something. 



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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #41 on: August 14, 2017, 07:32:58 PM »
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  • It is very distracting to have a baby and especially multiple babies in Mass crying and being taken in and out, in and out. They really don't belong in there.

    Just think about it this way: they would never be allowed to do this in a nice Opera or a similar venue. How much more so for attending the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? This is a modern thing and it is literally turning Masses into cry rooms in some cases.

    The priest should really say something.
    So what do you propose as a solution? Our priests and bishops are not telling women with children under the age of 3 to stay home, so... women go to mass to fulfill their obligation, with an infant, because they love God and don't want to offend Him by committing a mortal sin.
    Unless the Church says women with infants and toddlers should stay home then priests need to make an effort come up with a way for women to participate in mass the best they can without disturbing others.
    How do you propose they do that in small chapels that have no cry room? Most priests have no choice but to let them in because there is nowhere else for them to go.

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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #42 on: August 14, 2017, 10:33:06 PM »
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  • It is definitely permissible to stay home if you have an infant to care for. Nothing about that is a sin at all just like if you had to stay home to care for someone who was ill.
    Maybe you and your spouse could take turns or if there was a cry room a relative or your husband could switch with you after receiving so that you could at least receive.
    God understands that you have an infant to care for. Women not bringing infants to Mass was a common thing.

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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #43 on: August 15, 2017, 03:04:11 AM »
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  • It is very distracting to have a baby and especially multiple babies in Mass crying and being taken in and out, in and out. They really don't belong in there.

    Just think about it this way: they would never be allowed to do this in a nice Opera or a similar venue. How much more so for attending the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? This is a modern thing and it is literally turning Masses into cry rooms in some cases.

    The priest should really say something.
    Opera? You really think they're analogous? Please also substantiate assertion re: "… modern…"
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    Re: Babies at daily Mass
    « Reply #44 on: August 15, 2017, 09:04:48 AM »
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  • My very point is that they are not analogous; and, even there it would not be okay to do this. How much more so at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? 

    Babies will be old enough to come to Mass soon enough.

     

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