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Offline Mr G

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Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2024, 01:30:05 PM »
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  • Sure.

    I also think that it's not a good advice to tell demons to go away. One should not address demons at all. The Hail Mary and the prayer to St. Michael are what I would recommend.
    Correct, avoid all communications with demons. Pray that they leave but do not talk to them, do not react or show they are "getting to you", ignore their manifestations and be alert for any thoughts and images they will suggest to you, do not consent.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #16 on: August 27, 2024, 01:34:57 PM »
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  • I would say that a fantasy book is a book with elements that don't occur in nature.

    Agatha Christie does not qualify. :laugh1: We can still enjoy Poirot's stories.:cowboy:
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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #17 on: August 27, 2024, 02:28:20 PM »
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  • There are historical threads related to the topic of "prayers of binding evil spirits" which are supported by Fr Ripperberger and others.  The consensus is, that Fr Ripperberger is giving dangerous advice to people which is not historically catholic but protestant in understanding.  Christ gave the Church/Apostles/Bishops/priests the power to bind demons, not the faithful.  So any advice you get which tells you to "demand the devil to [fill in the blank]" is very dangerous and very foolhardy.

    As others have said, the best advice is to ASK OUR LADY or THE SAINTS to intercede for you...in other words, pray for help.  Laypersons are not priests, and definitely not exorcists (which are priests who have SPECIAL powers from the Bishop).  So laypersons are, in the spirit of humility, to invoke help/protection.  Any "demands" or "orders" to demons will cause ill effects and dangerous results (because such is an act of pride) because laypersons simply don't have power over them (and the devils know this).

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #18 on: August 27, 2024, 02:29:41 PM »
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  • " Up to this point, the entire family had avoided fantasy novels, except Lord of the Rings." so Tolkein was not the problem, the problem started with the "Wings of Fire"

    I think this line is the key on deciding which book to read or not read "If fantasy novels carry curses, those curses spoken out loud will carry objective effects, even if the subjective state of the reader is quite innocent. " therefore, if the novel does NOT carry curses, then there should be no problem.

    Agreed. Thank you for making this distinction.
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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #19 on: August 27, 2024, 02:41:50 PM »
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    13 Now some also of the Jєωιѕн exorcists who went about, attempted to invoke over them that had evil spirits, the name of the Lord Jesus, saying: I conjure you by Jesus, whom Paul preacheth.  14 And there were certain men, seven sons of Sceva, a Jew, a chief priest, that did this.  15 But the wicked spirit, answering, said to them: Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?

    16 And the man in whom the wicked spirit was, leaping upon them, and mastering them both, prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
    The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 19.
    Source: https://www.drbo.org/chapter/51019.htm

    There is a lesson for "lay exorcists".

    I once read a comment saying that "leaping upon them, and mastering them both, prevailed against them" means that the men were raped by the possessed.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #20 on: August 27, 2024, 03:48:11 PM »
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  • The text seems to imply that it is not the story of the book itself that is bad, but the pronouncing of curses and demons' names out loud.

    We all should of course research every book that children and teenagers will read. We need to have our own Index these days.
    Don't you see how that is a problem?  You have to open yourself up to understanding occult actions so you can fight them.  Just fight them by using prayer and a priest if need be, don't start creating indexes of evil because in the process you are opening yourself up to the evil.  Being an adult doesn't give us anymore protection than a child or teen.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #21 on: August 27, 2024, 03:54:43 PM »
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  • Horrible advice.
    Horrible advice.
    Horrible advice.
    Horrible advice.
    Horrible advice and wrong facts.  There are true priests in the new Church; it's just hard to know whom they are.
    You missed my point.

    Does God allow for these things to happen?  Why does God allow for these things to happen?  

    If you are a person who this is happening to, then pray and get a priest to help if need be, but what if a priest won't come?

    What if it is just a mental illness?  What if it is just your imagination?  What if you still get attacked even though you have stopped all "cursed books"?

    Have you yourself ever had a demonic attack?

    Have you ever seen a person being demonically attacked?

    I never meant that the power to conquer demons comes from yourself.

    I don't understand your last statement "How can their be true priests in the new Church?"
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #22 on: August 27, 2024, 03:56:36 PM »
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    Don't you see how that is a problem?  
    No, I really don't know what you're talking about.

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    You have to open yourself up to understanding occult actions so you can fight them.  Just fight them by using prayer and a priest if need be, don't start creating indexes of evil because in the process you are opening yourself up to the evil.  Being an adult doesn't give us anymore protection than a child or teen.
    Creating/spreading the word on bad books does not open you up to the occult.  It's the duty of being a catholic to warn people.

    I think you are confusing the idea of being 'attacked by evil' (which God can allow as a means of perfection), and 'opening yourself up the occult'.  These are two VERY different things.  The former is a temptation and spiritual assault for doing good (i.e. what the Cure of Ars went through).  The latter is a punishment from God, who allows those who dabble in the occult to face the consequences of their sins.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #23 on: August 27, 2024, 03:58:22 PM »
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  • This priest is a NO Priest (ordained in 2010).  Perhaps what this family needs is to stop going to the NO Mass.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #24 on: August 27, 2024, 04:00:33 PM »
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    Does God allow for these things to happen? 
    Sometimes God allows for spiritual combat due to the person being holy, as an act of merit (i.e. St Padre Pio or the Cure of Ars).  But this is NOT occult possession or oppression, which God allows as a punishment for sins of dabbling in the occult.

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    If you are a person who this is happening to, then pray and get a priest to help if need be, but what if a priest won't come?
    Yes, this is the advice you should've given first.  Not, "you don't need a priest" (which is what your original comments implied). 

    If a priest won't come, then you continue to search and pray.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #25 on: August 27, 2024, 04:02:35 PM »
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    I don't understand your last statement "How can their be true priests in the new Church?"
    Doubtful ordination/episcopal rites do not mean 100% invalidity.  It means we don't know (and many times, can't know) who is a priest and who isn't.  So, yes, there can be legit priests in the V2 church.  If that's your only option, then you use them.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #26 on: August 27, 2024, 04:06:48 PM »
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  • Sure.

    I also think that it's not a good advice to tell demons to go away. One should not address demons at all. The Hail Mary and the prayer to St. Michael are what I would recommend.
    Have you ever been harassed so much by a demon that it made you crazy?  Asked for a priest to come, but they refused?  Then had to go to Christ to be free from your demonic oppressor?  I just want people to know that God allows the suffering and God will take it away, just don't succuмb to demons.  Demons hate being laughed at.  They hate being ignored.  They hate you turning to our Lady every time they come.  It is the same with temptations.  We have the free will to ignore the evil and hang on to Our Lord and Lady.

    And from those experiences I have had in my life just saying the Hail Mary and St. Michael prayer was not enough.  If they take all the priests away, we still have to be ready for battle.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #27 on: August 27, 2024, 04:15:50 PM »
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  • There are historical threads related to the topic of "prayers of binding evil spirits" which are supported by Fr Ripperberger and others.  The consensus is, that Fr Ripperberger is giving dangerous advice to people which is not historically catholic but protestant in understanding.  Christ gave the Church/Apostles/Bishops/priests the power to bind demons, not the faithful.  So any advice you get which tells you to "demand the devil to [fill in the blank]" is very dangerous and very foolhardy.

    As others have said, the best advice is to ASK OUR LADY or THE SAINTS to intercede for you...in other words, pray for help.  Laypersons are not priests, and definitely not exorcists (which are priests who have SPECIAL powers from the Bishop).  So laypersons are, in the spirit of humility, to invoke help/protection.  Any "demands" or "orders" to demons will cause ill effects and dangerous results (because such is an act of pride) because laypersons simply don't have power over them (and the devils know this).
    I don't disagree with this.  Again when I talk about something I use words poorly, I am sorry.  I wasn't suggesting that you get involved with the demon.  Since I am a timid sort, most of the time, when I was having issues just saying "In the name of Christ go back to hell"  was helpful and gave some relief.  

    I don't really want to go into personal details, but there was problems for me for many years and no priest would ever help.  It was only the sacraments and confession that made things finely subside. I had to persevere though.  I have seen so many people drop the Sacraments, when accosted by demons.

    And the major fear is what do we do when the Sacraments are no longer available. Or a priest won't come.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #28 on: August 27, 2024, 04:28:40 PM »
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    Again when I talk about something I use words poorly, I am sorry.
    Yes, lots of times your posts can be contradictory.  Most of the time, it's not a big deal, because it's a topic that is theoretical or mostly opinion-based.  On a topic such as this, you should choose your words VERY wisely, and post less.  If you know you don't explain things well, then you should NOT post on topics where you can cause confusion and where the topic is serious.  Everyone has limits; know your limits.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #29 on: August 27, 2024, 04:52:40 PM »
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  • Maybe many Catholics should read more non fiction. 
    May God bless you and keep you