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Offline Mr G

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Avoid All Fantasy Novels
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:16:08 AM »
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  • Avoid All Fantasy Novels – Padre Peregrino

    Late last week I visited a family that lives an hour and a half from my hermitage.  The wife of the family has been my friend for 20 years.  The husband has been my friend for about 10 years.  They have six children.  After a nice dinner of street tacos, they asked me for blessings with St. Charbel oil that I keep in my car, confessions for everyone, and a blessing of the home.  Upstairs, three boys share a room and three girls share a room.  The family loves outdoor sports and they seem afraid of nothing.  That is why I was surprised at what happened next.

    The oldest girl, who is 16 years old, (who we will call “Sarah”) insisted on the blessing because said strange things was happening in her room.  She said that during the second week of August, she started feeling like something was watching her in that room belonging to her sisters and her.  (She normally doesn’t talk like this.)  She also stated that she was afraid of her room and she kept seeing things out of the corner of her eye.  Her sister even claimed something grabbed her in bed.

    So, I went through the home doing the blessing and even minor exorcisms as I dressed in surplice and purple stole above my hermit habit.  I carried blessed oil and holy water.  I had the husband sprinkle exorcised salt behind us as we said the Divine Praises.  The strange thing is that I accidentally missed the bedroom of the girls, even though I have stayed at this home many times.  Sarah said “Wait, you missed our bedroom” as I was turning down the hall upstairs.  This was very unusual, as my blessings are normally meticulous to cover every closet.  In fact, I did cover every closet, basement, garage and even back yard in this blessing.  Something kept me from the girls’ bedroom.  So, with the family in train, we all went into the sisters’ one bedroom and I blessed it.  I also did some binding prayers.

    Not long after that, I had to drive back to Denver, but we still had a lot to talk about. On my way back to Denver, I was talking to the two parents and their 16 year old daughter, again, who we’re calling “Sarah” here.  (The parents and her gave me permission to share this account with my readers as long as we kept them anonymous.)  Although we had several topics to tackle, I felt inclined a the very end of our hour-long conversation to find out who or what attacked this very holy family.  (They pray the daily Rosary, go to Mass several times a week and often take night shifts at their local adoration chapel, so I don’t use the word “holy” lightly.)  But they are also very fun and normal.  So, I wasn’t too worried about the activity after blessing the home and doing binding prayers.

    Still, right before hanging up while driving up I-25 at 10pm, I decided to go detective-sleuth style on this preternatural activity. I knew the best way to find this out would be to find out what changed in August of 2024 for Sarah and her sisters.  She explained they had never read fantasy novels but had started a book called Wings of Fire by Tui T. Sutherland.  It has dragons on the cover and features a plotline of dragons, too.  The girls got the book from the library.  Even though they are not allowed cell phones, they also added Wings of Fire to their Mom’s audible.  Sarah told me on the phone that all of her brothers and sisters sat around the phone on the edge of their seats like they never had before, listening to this fantasy novel.  Up to this point, the entire family had avoided fantasy novels, except Lord of the Rings.

    I asked Sarah when the strange activity started in the bedroom of her and her sisters.  She told me the second week of August.  Notice again they started reading a fantasy novel the first week of August and the preternatural activity started the second week of August.  I hadn’t visited this family in nearly 7 months, but I arrived the third week of August this 2024.  Sarah is an extremely smart girl, so I didn’t have to preach to her on the phone.  She immediately realized the fear in her room and the thing that grabbed her sister was directly linked to the fantasy novel they had began reading a week before these things.  Sarah went and told her parents and they promptly started to empty the Audible of Wings of Fire and gathered the books to return to the library.  (I am sure they would have burned them if they hadn’t belonged to the library.)

    The next day I told a traditional exorcist friend of mine that we need to start boycotting not only Harry Potter, but also all fantasy novels.  He agreed, saying there are now “Harry Potter copy-caters cashing in on the occult stuff.”  He added on the topic of fantasy novels that parents should approach them all “automatically suspicious until proven otherwise.”  I agree with him 100%.  I know this family I visited is now equally vigilant.

    God may care about our intentions in imputing good or evil to our moral acts, but demons do notIf fantasy novels carry curses, those curses spoken out loud will carry objective effects, even if the subjective state of the reader is quite innocent.  If dragons carry demons’ names in a fantasy novel, then even an Audible app saying them out loud in a relatively innocuous plotline might be a portal to the occult, regardless of the intention of the listeners.    This is especially dangerous for children.
    Some people will read this article and scoff at it.  Other families will close off all doors to preternatural activity by prohibiting fantasy novels for their children.  I just want to encourage you to do one thing:  Do a risk-benefit analysis on if I’m wrong, versus if I’m right.



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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #1 on: August 27, 2024, 11:24:55 AM »
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    Do a risk-benefit analysis on if I’m wrong, versus if I’m right.
    Very good advice.  Satanism is everywhere nowadays.  It just ain't worth it.

    Plenty of other fun things to do.  Avoid anything which is remotely dangerous.  And if uncertain, then do your research.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2024, 12:00:32 PM »
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  • You know I read "Rules for Discerning the Spirits" by Fr. Ludovic-Marie Barrielle about 14 years ago.  Boy did so many strange things happen after reading that book.  Does that mean I should avoid all books like that?

    The devils are smarter than us.  They know how to scare us, it has nothing to do with the occult.  The best thing is to have no emotions, when it comes to preternatural stuff. 

    Why was it only the girls room? Why was it not the whole house? Why was it not affecting the parents and the boys?  The devil knows how to draw on the emotional weaknesses, especially in women.  They didn't need the blessing from the priest all they needed to do was to tell whatever was scary them to go back to hell where it came from.

    I have a lot more personal experiences then the one above.  If you are with God then just tell the demon to go away in the name of Christ.  Just pray a Hail Mary every time something like that happens.  The more you turn to God the more the demons leave you alone.

    Yes there are special circuмstances that you will need a true exorcist, but this Padre Peregrino is just a lay man. At least by how most of us here on CathInfo think.

    Sorry just my two cents, take it or leave it.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2024, 12:07:50 PM »
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  • It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to condem Tolkein and C. S. Lewis and others due to one genre of fantasy books.
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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2024, 12:11:29 PM »
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  • The text seems to imply that it is not the story of the book itself that is bad, but the pronouncing of curses and demons' names out loud.

    We all should of course research every book that children and teenagers will read. We need to have our own Index these days.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #5 on: August 27, 2024, 12:15:47 PM »
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  • It's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to condem Tolkein and C. S. Lewis and others due to one genre of fantasy books.
    " Up to this point, the entire family had avoided fantasy novels, except Lord of the Rings." so Tolkein was not the problem, the problem started with the "Wings of Fire"

    I think this line is the key on deciding which book to read or not read "If fantasy novels carry curses, those curses spoken out loud will carry objective effects, even if the subjective state of the reader is quite innocent. " therefore, if the novel does NOT carry curses, then there should be no problem.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #6 on: August 27, 2024, 12:27:53 PM »
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  • The devils are smarter than us.  They know how to scare us, it has nothing to do with the occult. 
    If the particular books have occultic spells, or incantations, then it is occult. If it does not, then it is not occult.  

    Your advice of telling the demons to go away is good, however, the problem is when the book has a line in which by reading it you call upon the demons.

    If demons are manifesting their presence in a tangle way, you need to ask yourself if perhaps you or someone in your household is intentionally inviting them in. 



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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #7 on: August 27, 2024, 12:46:11 PM »
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  • If the particular books have occultic spells, or incantations, then it is occult. If it does not, then it is not occult. 

    Your advice of telling the demons to go away is good, however, the problem is when the book has a line in which by reading it you call upon the demons.

    If demons are manifesting their presence in a tangle way, you need to ask yourself if perhaps you or someone in your household is intentionally inviting them in.
    But why was it only the girls room?

    Just to be clear I don't care for fantasy novels.   I don't read them, my children don't read them, so I am not saying what I am saying because I have something vested in the outcome of the conversation.

    And nobody should intentionally get involved with the occult.

    But the accidental affects like in this story I don't believe are as powerful as people make them out to be.  We have the power by being close to Christ and the Sacraments to combat those demons ourselves.  Though maybe the people in this story don't because they don't have True Sacraments.

    I am not encouraging people to go look for trouble.   I am just saying that demons aren't that courageous, so don't be easy targets.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #8 on: August 27, 2024, 12:54:50 PM »
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    They didn't need the blessing from the priest
    Horrible advice.

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    all they needed to do was to tell whatever was scary them to go back to hell where it came from.
    Horrible advice.

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    But the accidental affects like in this story I don't believe are as powerful as people make them out to be.
    Horrible advice.

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    I am just saying that demons aren't that courageous, so don't be easy targets.
    Horrible advice.

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    but this Padre Peregrino is just a lay man. At least by how most of us here on CathInfo think.
    Horrible advice and wrong facts.  There are true priests in the new Church; it's just hard to know whom they are. 

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #9 on: August 27, 2024, 01:03:08 PM »
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  • Horrible advice and wrong facts.  There are true priests in the new Church; it's just hard to know whom they are.
     
    How can we know which ones are valid in your opinion?

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #10 on: August 27, 2024, 01:13:57 PM »
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  • Please do pardon my ignorance, confreres, but what qualities distinguish a novel as being "Fantasy"?
    I am Belgian, not French.


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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #11 on: August 27, 2024, 01:19:38 PM »
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  • Please do pardon my ignorance, confreres, but what qualities distinguish a novel as being "Fantasy"?

    I would say that a fantasy book is a book with elements that don't occur in nature.

    Agatha Christie does not qualify. :laugh1: We can still enjoy Poirot's stories.:cowboy:

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #12 on: August 27, 2024, 01:19:50 PM »
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    How can we know which ones are valid in your opinion?
    I have no idea and it's beside the point.  The point being, if you're only option is to call a doubtful priest or nobody (for an exorcism or blessing), i'd call the doubtful priest.    Handling demons on your own, is NOT the correct answer.  

    The family was already praying the daily rosary, so obviously that didn't work (at least for the girl in question...it did work for the rest of the family).  (And it probably didn't work because the girl in question was reading/re-reading these books on her own, which opened her up to demonic oppression.  Notice the demon was not causing issues for others in the family, but only 1 person.  God does not allow (normally) demons to oppress people who don't open themselves up to it voluntarily...even if accidentally).  Hopefully she learned a lesson.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #13 on: August 27, 2024, 01:21:51 PM »
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  • 1.) But why was it only the girls room?


    2.) I am just saying that demons aren't that courageous, so don't be easy targets.
    1.) Based on my limited research on demonic possession, the demons usually attach themselves to a specific location that has significance to the person being harassed by the demon. So, it appears that only one daughter is being targeted and that is because she gave in to some suggestion of the demon. Pax's statement above is an excellent explanation. 

    2.) Agree, and one way to NOT be an easy target is to NOT read books that call upon demons, or at least do not read that particular line. With some research, you should be able to tell if some line in a book is just gibberish or has actual demonic/occult meaning. Or you can avoid it all together and focus on more productive and/or uplifting recreation.

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    Re: Avoid All Fantasy Novels
    « Reply #14 on: August 27, 2024, 01:24:33 PM »
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  • I have no idea and it's beside the point.  The point being, if you're only option is to call a doubtful priest or nobody (for an exorcism or blessing), i'd call the doubtful priest.    Handling demons on your own, is NOT the correct answer.  The family was already praying the daily rosary, so obviously that didn't work.  (And it probably didn't work because the girl in question was reading/re-reading these books on her own, which opened her up to demonic oppression).  Hopefully she learned a lesson.

    Sure.

    I also think that it's not a good advice to tell demons to go away. One should not address demons at all. The Hail Mary and the prayer to St. Michael are what I would recommend.