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Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Belloc on September 08, 2009, 01:56:01 PM
http://voiceofcatholicradio.com/walk,090906,the_city_of_god,unknown_priest_final,_30__min.mp3


The Voice of Catholic Tradition presents a sermon by a priest who wishes to remain unknown. The sermon is entitled "The City of God vs. The City of Man." He reminds us of the parable of Our Lord  teaching us that the wheat and the weeds will grow together until the time of harvest, whereupon the weeds will be separated from the wheat and cast into the fire. The parable signifies the fact that good and evil will co-exist on earth until the final judgement.30 min
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Elizabeth on September 08, 2009, 02:51:23 PM
thanks!
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Elizabeth on September 08, 2009, 02:55:52 PM
I love the priests who wish to remain unknown and little, but offer edifying sermons.  More and more I love the humble ones without the politics, just teaching us the Faith.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Belloc on September 08, 2009, 03:05:48 PM
Have listened and burned several of his sermons,,,near as I can tell, he lives in Kansas City area........not afraid to tell it straight...
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Caraffa on September 08, 2009, 03:48:38 PM
Great Sermon and fully Catholic!!  :applause:

Chivalry, self-sacrifice, and modesty are needed even amongst Traditional Catholics.

The priest is Fr. Wolfe, FSSP. FE doesn't like him. :scared2:

A question though, how does one protect one's sister when she is secular/not Catholic?
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Belloc on September 08, 2009, 03:52:39 PM
Whether she is or not, principle still is in affect-if she is an adult, can do but so much.......FE does not like him? why?-too straight?
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Raoul76 on September 08, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
Elizabeth said:
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More and more I love the humble ones without the politics, just teaching us the Faith.


Faith doesn't exist in a vacuum.  Never speaking of political matters could be a way of lying by omission.  Just give people a holy feeling, make them feel devout, and keep them blind.

St. Catherine of Siena lamented wars and got involved defending her side -- the correct one -- of the Great Western Schism.  Was she too political?  I'd say just the opposite, that she had courage.

As we know from the Apocalypse towards the end of time there is a Babylon that arises, and is it really holy to ignore the existence of this Babylon that I believe is on Earth right now?  Or is it rather "humble" priests like this who are concerned with human respect and don't want to be too controversial?  

I'm saying nothing against the priest who gives this sermon, which I haven't listened to.  Just speaking generally.  I can't help noticing that not many priests these days, even traditional ones, are really digging very deep.  We are in an EXTRAORDINARY historical situation -- literally living in the age of Satan, with his governments having swept the whole Earth -- but hardly anyone mentions it.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Caraffa on September 27, 2009, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: Belloc
FE does not like him? why?-too straight?


There was a Sermon back in January in which some of the FE crew accused him of, you guessed it, the J word. Why? Because well, what he said upset some modern sensibilities. To them, if its not compatible with my liberal bourgeoisie world-view than it can't be true and thus I don't want it to be Catholic. Its all about pride. One of those who disliked Fr. Wolfe's sermon is now on their way to Eastern Orthodox.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Telesphorus on September 27, 2009, 06:21:49 PM
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FE does not like him? why?-too straight?


There was a Sermon back in January in which some of the FE crew accused him of, you guessed it, the J word. Why? Because well, what he said upset some modern sensibilities. To them, if its not compatible with my liberal bourgeoisie world-view than it can't be true and thus I don't want it to be Catholic. Its all about pride. One of those who disliked Fr. Wolfe's sermon is now on their way to Eastern Orthodox.


What in particular did he say?

Anyway, fisheaters is not Catholic by any stretch of the imagination.  There are certainly still some Catholics posting there, but no one can justly call the forum a Catholic site.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Telesphorus on September 27, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Caraffa
A question though, how does one protect one's sister when she is secular/not Catholic?


While admire the young men who protect their sisters and don't at all blame them for their dedication, sometimes they show a bit more zeal than I think is warranted.

Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Elizabeth on September 27, 2009, 07:03:10 PM
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Elizabeth said:
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More and more I love the humble ones without the politics, just teaching us the Faith.


Faith doesn't exist in a vacuum.  Never speaking of political matters could be a way of lying by omission.  Just give people a holy feeling, make them feel devout, and keep them blind.

St. Catherine of Siena lamented wars and got involved defending her side -- the correct one -- of the Great Western Schism.  Was she too political?  I'd say just the opposite, that she had courage.

As we know from the Apocalypse towards the end of time there is a Babylon that arises, and is it really holy to ignore the existence of this Babylon that I believe is on Earth right now?  Or is it rather "humble" priests like this who are concerned with human respect and don't want to be too controversial?  

I'm saying nothing against the priest who gives this sermon, which I haven't listened to.  Just speaking generally.  I can't help noticing that not many priests these days, even traditional ones, are really digging very deep.  We are in an EXTRAORDINARY historical situation -- literally living in the age of Satan, with his governments having swept the whole Earth -- but hardly anyone mentions it.


Well too bad you don't like Malachi Martin.  He was all about what you call digging deep, and all of what you described above.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Telesphorus on September 27, 2009, 07:12:08 PM
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Elizabeth said:
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More and more I love the humble ones without the politics, just teaching us the Faith.


Faith doesn't exist in a vacuum.  Never speaking of political matters could be a way of lying by omission.  Just give people a holy feeling, make them feel devout, and keep them blind.

St. Catherine of Siena lamented wars and got involved defending her side -- the correct one -- of the Great Western Schism.  Was she too political?  I'd say just the opposite, that she had courage.

As we know from the Apocalypse towards the end of time there is a Babylon that arises, and is it really holy to ignore the existence of this Babylon that I believe is on Earth right now?  Or is it rather "humble" priests like this who are concerned with human respect and don't want to be too controversial?  

I'm saying nothing against the priest who gives this sermon, which I haven't listened to.  Just speaking generally.  I can't help noticing that not many priests these days, even traditional ones, are really digging very deep.  We are in an EXTRAORDINARY historical situation -- literally living in the age of Satan, with his governments having swept the whole Earth -- but hardly anyone mentions it.


I agree with you, but priests must be very careful.  Even if the priest is 100% correct, which is very unlikely, he will be regarded as "crazy" by a good percentage of people who just have no idea of the world.  It is important to give people the right literature, like Leon de Poncins, etc.  Someone needs to update the works of the RISS, Deschamps, etc.

As for an FSSP priest talking about conspiracy.  Well, that seems highly unlikely.  Certainly if any superiors found about it he would be in trouble.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Caraffa on September 27, 2009, 09:11:27 PM
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FE does not like him? why?-too straight?


There was a Sermon back in January in which some of the FE crew accused him of, you guessed it, the J word. Why? Because well, what he said upset some modern sensibilities. To them, if its not compatible with my liberal bourgeoisie world-view than it can't be true and thus I don't want it to be Catholic. Its all about pride. One of those who disliked Fr. Wolfe's sermon is now on their way to Eastern Orthodox.


What in particular did he say?


Here is the sermon: Holy Families Just Don't Happen. (http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090111-Holy-Families-Dont-Just-Happen.html)

And here is the thread: Disturbing Sunday Sermon (http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3222311.msg31109131.html)

Note: This same person seems to have been of the "smells and bells" mentality. He is now on his way to EO. Also notice the way he uses the word "I".

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Anyway, fisheaters is not Catholic by any stretch of the imagination.  There are certainly still some Catholics posting there, but no one can justly call the forum a Catholic site.


No disagreements here. I just wish they had the honesty and humility to admit it.


Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Telesphorus on September 27, 2009, 09:23:53 PM
Well, I think it is extreme to say one should not look a woman in the eyes.

I understand it why it concerns the priest.  And there is truth to warning about it.  But that is rigorism to say one should not look in the eyes a girl one is courting.

I understand what the priest is getting at though.  Yes, it's good advice, but easy to take badly.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Telesphorus on September 27, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
1956:

Kissing is a sin.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,824439,00.html

Yes, I think it's clear it's sinful to kiss a girl on the lips before marriage.  In most all cases.



Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Caraffa on September 27, 2009, 09:46:03 PM
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Well, I think it is extreme to say one should not look a woman in the eyes.

I understand it why it concerns the priest.  And there is truth to warning about it.  But that is rigorism to say one should not look in the eyes a girl one is courting.

I understand what the priest is getting at though.  Yes, it's good advice, but easy to take badly.


Agreed, there are other parts of the body which are which are larger occasions of sin than the eyes or face. The idea that kissing before marriage (i.e. on the lips, making out, French kissing) was only venial sinful as long as one had no intent to fornicate was condemned by Pope Alexander VII. I recall coming across a passage from St. Alphonsus that also talks about. And neither of these men were anywhere near Jansenism
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: Adesto on September 28, 2009, 07:24:13 AM
Grr I had typed out a long reply and my computer crashed!

Basic upshot: Excellent sermon, Fr. is not being Jancenistic, he is simply being brutally honest about human nature, and if people have a problem with what he's saying, then they are deceiving themselves in that regard. Kissing is an occasion of sin, being alone together (I mean totally alone, like in a car etc) is an occasion of sin, dating is not a recreational activity to be enjoyed even without any intention or means of getting married. Can you imagine a holy couple such as St. Therese of the Child Jesus's parents trying to push the boundaries during courtship? Never!

Your concern for the soul of your boy/girlfriend's soul should come first, every time, and courting does NOT give you an automatic right to put yourself and them in the occasions of sin.

The thing about looking in someone's eyes was not said in the way the FE posters made it sound- Fr. was talking about staring into each other's eyes for ages, and it sounded a little tongue-in-cheek when he said it (he was refering to older books, btw, not something he invented). Fr. didn't say you should avoid all eye contact like some kind of nut!

Bottom line: Great sermon, and much food for thought, practical advice,and doubtless to be unpopular with those who would rather not accept that human nature is frail and we are easily tempted to sins of impurity.
Title: Audio-"The City of God vs. The City of Man."
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on September 30, 2009, 11:12:14 PM
A wonderful, and inspirational sermon.