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Offline poche

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« on: June 04, 2015, 11:29:05 PM »
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  • Most of the journalists who attended a closed-door meeting on May 26, at which European bishops discussed proposals for the Synod meeting in October, have not yet reported on the event, notes Andrea Gagliarducci of Catholic News Agency.

    Their silence raises the question of whether the reporters, along with the bishops who organized the meeting, are planning a media campaign to promote the suggestions endorsed by the group of German, French, and Swiss bishops. One source within the European hierarchy told Gagliarducci that “representatives of the media were certainly convoked in order to prepare a media platform to launch and spread contentious issues and lead the discussion.”

    The May 26 meeting brought together mostly liberal bishops, to discuss proposals for the Synod on the Family. A spokesman for the German bishops' conference has said that the meeting saw a "very broad" discussion, and denied that the bishops were plotting strategy to advance a change in Church teaching on marriage.

    The German bishops’ conference, which was the main force behind the meeting, reportedly paid expenses for some of the journalists who were invited to attend.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25153

    They invited the press to the "secret meeting"
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    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 11:36:37 PM »
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  • Hardly a laughing matter.

    God only knows what horrors and blasphemies these apostates utter during their actual secret meetings.

    Speaking of which, I wonder whatever happened to that dossier Pope Benedict compiled on the curial sodomite cabal and hand-delivered to Francis?


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    « Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 11:55:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    Hardly a laughing matter.

    God only knows what horrors and blasphemies these apostates utter during their actual secret meetings.

    Speaking of which, I wonder whatever happened to that dossier Pope Benedict compiled on the curial sodomite cabal and hand-delivered to Francis?


    You are correct. Planning evil is no laughing matter. However this was supposed to be a secret meeting. That would imply not telling anybody about it. These fools invited members of the press to their secret meeting. It is hard for me to think of anything more lacking in intelligence.    

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    « Reply #3 on: June 05, 2015, 11:45:55 AM »
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  • laying more bricks on the road to hell...

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    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 02:05:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
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    Hardly a laughing matter.

    God only knows what horrors and blasphemies these apostates utter during their actual secret meetings.

    Speaking of which, I wonder whatever happened to that dossier Pope Benedict compiled on the curial sodomite cabal and hand-delivered to Francis?


    You are correct. Planning evil is no laughing matter. However this was supposed to be a secret meeting. That would imply not telling anybody about it. These fools invited members of the press to their secret meeting. It is hard for me to think of anything more lacking in intelligence.    


    Poche, you don't seem to get it. They're all on the same side. They're keeping it secret from Catholics so that there is as little meaningful resistance as possible. That which does exist can be easily controlled. The secrecy is all for stage management purposes.


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 07:58:11 PM »
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  • It's like a bad dream.  

    God is punishing us.
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #6 on: June 06, 2015, 05:31:39 AM »
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  • Not much good from secret meetings.   How sinful and evil to even hold meetings to deny Jesus Christ.  
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline poche

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    « Reply #7 on: June 09, 2015, 12:07:01 AM »
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  • On a related note;

    Cardinal Walter Kasper has admitted that Pope Francis never endorsed his proposal to allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion.

    The German cardinal, who offered his proposal in February 2014 at a meeting of the College of Cardinals, said that the Pope had invited him to speak, but it was a “misunderstanding” to think that the Holy Father had given his approval to the proposal.

    In an interview with Raymond Arroyo of ETWN, Cardinal Kasper denied having said that the Pope backed his proposal. “Well, this I did not say,” he said. When Arroyo quoted Cardinal Kasper’s claim of papal approval (“Clearly, this is what he wants”), the cardinal answered: “No… he did not approve my proposal.”

    Cardinal Kasper went on to explain that Pope Francis wanted the question raised, and wanted discussion of the idea, but “I wouldn’t say he approved the proposal; no, no, no.”

    Last October, in an interview with Catholic News Service, Cardinal Kasper had clearly implied papal approval for his plan, but said that the Pope would not take action without the approval of the Synod of Bishops. “I have the impression the Pope is ready to reaffirm such a thing, but now it depends also on the voices of the bishops in the Synod,” he said.

    In his interview with Arroyo, Cardinal Kasper stressed that he was presenting a question for debate at the Synod of Bishops, not making a plea for change. “It’s not a proposal,” he said.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25147


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    « Reply #8 on: June 09, 2015, 01:43:23 AM »
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  • Sure he did. His actions trump whatever lip service we hear from the papolotrists say Francis "said".

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/world/americas/pope-francis-old-colleagues-recall-pragmatic-streak.html?_r=0

    (If anyone can understand Spanish, here is what Bishop Cordoba informed the Colombian newspaper "El Tiempo" in 2013 about the newly elected Francis. Bishop Cordoba has not recanted his answers and remains in office)
    http://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/docuмento/CMS-12698166

    ¿Y frente a los ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖes, que también son hijos de Dios, qué opina?
    Answer: "Que merecen todos los derechos y que puedan tener unión de parejas. "
    Translation:  "What about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, that are also children of God, what does he (Francis) think?
    Answer: "That they deserve all the rights and that they can have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions".






    http://www.novusordowatch.org/_Media/francis-ciotti2.jpeg




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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-receives-transgender-woman-and-female-partner-for-private-audience

    http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/report-pope-francis-meets-hugs-transgender-man


    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jєω adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

    Offline poche

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    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2015, 12:09:30 AM »
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  •  Cardinal Gerhard Müller has spoken out firmly against trying to adapt the Church’s teaching to today’s often pagan lifestyles, saying such an approach introduces subjectivism and arbitrariness.

    In an interview with the Catholic newspaper Die Tagespost on June 6th, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith warned that placing “any so-called lived realities” on the same level as scripture and tradition is “nothing more than the introduction of subjectivism and arbitrariness, wrapped up in sentimental and smug religious terminology.”

    The cardinal’s comments have been widely seen as a criticism of a recent “shadow council” when bishops and experts from Germany, France and Switzerland met May 25 in Rome to discuss how the Church could adapt its pastoral approach to today’s current lived experiences, especially regarding sɛҳuąƖ ethics.

    Bishop Franz-Josef Bode of Osnabrück, a participant at the meeting and one of the German episcopate’s representatives at the upcoming Synod on the Family, has gone on record saying that the “lived realities” of people should be a source of information for dogmatic and moral truths, the Austrian site Kath.net reported.

    But Cardinal Müller stressed that these “lived realities” can sometimes be very pagan and that the faith cannot be the result of a compromise between acceptable Christian ideas, abstract principles and the practice of a pagan lifestyle. He added that Rome will strengthen bishops’ freedom and responsibility, but this will be threatened by “nostalgias for national churches and by the haggling over social acceptance.”

    The German cardinal also said that the Pope invited each bishop to the October synod as a “witness and teacher of the revealed faith.”

    Referring to the recent controversial closed-door meeting in Rome, Cardinal Müller said it is right to exchange information on any point or major issue. But he added that one cannot organize the truth. If this principle were to be adopted and taken as true by the Church, leading her to take her cue from public opinion, then the Church would be “shaken to her foundations," he said.

    The Catholic Church is mother and teacher of all churches, he said, one that teaches and is not taught. “She does not need anybody – as superior and as adapted to our times he might think he is – to teach her a notion of the right faith, because in her, the apostolic tradition has been faithfully safeguarded and always will be preserved."

    Bishop Koch appointed

    On Monday, Pope Francis appointed Bishop Heiner Koch of Dresden-Meißen as the new Archbishop of Berlin.

    Bishop Koch was also present at the May 25 meeting and will be one of the three German bishops to attend the October synod. He is currently chairman of the bishops’ marriage and family commission and known to strongly support the Cardinal Kasper thesis on admitting some remarried divorcees to Holy Communion.

    Bishop Koch, 61, is also a proponent of Church recognition of same-sex unions. He has said that "any bond that strengthens and holds people, is in my eyes good; that applies also to same-sex relationships."

    In an interview earlier this year with a local German newspaper, the prelate said that to “portray ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as a sin is hurtful” and that the Church “needs a different language when it comes to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.”

    “I know gαy couples who value ??reliability and commitment and live these in an exemplary manner,” he said.

    Since the 1950s, all archbishops of Berlin have gone on to become a cardinal. The archdiocese is likely to grow in prominence in the coming years as the bishops' conference is understood to want to move its headquarters from Bonn, the former West German capital, to Berlin.

    The Pope appointed Bishop Koch archbishop following his election last week by the Berlin archdiocese.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-mller-warns-against-adapting-church-to-todays-often-pagan-lifestyles-29416/

    Cardinal Mueller is the head of the CDF. What he says trumps anything a group that has to have "secret meetings" has to say.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2015, 01:00:36 AM »
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  • During recent meetings which were held separately, both the Polish bishops and the Eastern Catholic bishops from Europe have discussed the family in view of the upcoming Synod on the Family, and are likely to uphold Catholic pastoral care for families.

    The bishops from Poland will be on the front line at the synod, giving an overall view of the family and not focusing merely on the contentious issues of access to Communion for the divorced and remarried, and pastoral openings to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationships.

    A source in a congregation at the Roman Curia told CNA that “the feeling of the Polish bishops is that John Paul II’s teaching on marriage and family has been betrayed” by the “shadow council” led by some German bishops at the Pontifical Gregorian University on May 25.

    The lecture delivered the last week of May to the Polish bishops' conference's general assembly by Fr. Dariusz Kowalczyk, SJ, gives one to understand the issues at stake for the Polish bishops.

    Grounded in St. John Paul II's pastoral care and speaking about granting access to Communion for the divorced and remarried, Fr. Kowalczyk indicated two criticisms.

    “The first question we should ask ourselves,” he said, “is this: Does the Church have the authority to give sacramental absolution and Holy Communion to divorced persons cohabiting in non-sacramental unions? This question of Communion for those people is comparable to the issue of the mandatory celibacy of priests, or on another the level, to that of ordaining women.”

    He then continued: “If we answer the question of Communion for remarried divorcees by saying that a change in the Church's current doctrine and practice is possible, then a second question can be asked: From the pastoral viewpoint, would the new, proposed sacramental practice be useful? Would it edify the Church or not? After all, the fact that something could be possible from the doctrinal point of view, does not necessarily imply that it would be good for the Church from a pastoral point of view.”

    Fr. Kowalczyk then concluded that “We have two arguments here: one is doctrinal and the other pastoral – a risk of confusion on the indissolubility of marriage. Both concern the sacramental sign, which has theological, anthropological, and didactic meanings.”

    The doctrinal argument, he said, “can be considered from two perspectives: that of sin, which contradicts sacramental Communion (understood both as a sacramental sign and as grace), and that of the relation between the meanings of each of the sacraments.”

    The arguments presented by Fr. Kowalczyk – that admitting the divorced and remarried to Communion would contradict the nuptial significance of the Eucharist, and it would also confuse people about the indissolubility of marriage – will be core issues at October's Synod of Bishops.

    In addition to the Polish bishops, the Eastern Catholic bishops of Europe have also held a meeting regarding the family and its pastoral care.

    The more than 40 bishops met in Prague June 4-7 to further develop their responses to the many challenges facing families. Among the participants were Archbishop Cyril Vasil', secretary of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches. Archbishop Vasil' contributed a chapter to Remaining in the Truth of Christ, in which he argued that there is no coherent position among the Eastern Orthodox Churches which favors oikonomia – a practice which some, including Cardinal Kasper, have cited as a justification for admitting the divorced and remarried to Communion.

    At the conclusion of their meeting, the Eastern Catholic bishops stated that the Church, including particularly Eastern Catholic Churches, “gives its yes to the family, the fundamental cell of human society where every person becomes more and more him / herself.”

    “The family, the domestic Church spoken of by Saint John Chrysostom and repeated by the Second Vatican Council, as workshop and training ground for humanity, is not just the place where the transmission of faith happens, but where the fundamental principles of living together are learned … husbands and wives, parents and children, brothers and sisters are called to love each other: everyone in the family has a unique and important role.”

    The Eastern Catholic bishops added that “in preparation for the Synod of Bishops … the episcopal participants at the meeting were committed to promoting an evermore careful preparation for the sacrament of matrimony, so that husband and wife, with the strength of grace, might generate a true communion of life welcoming children and educating them.”

    The Eastern Catholic bishops also discussed “the on-going situation of external aggression” in eastern Ukraine, where Russian troops and Russian-backed separatists are fighting the national government. The bishops “demonstrated their solidarity with the people of Ukraine, above all the Greek Catholics, exhorting them to pursue the path of dialogue and unity between the country's Christian churches which a particular attitude of misinformation – especially at the international level – aims to undermine.”

    Finally, the bishops discussed the "too ‘discretionary’ attitude – bordering on discrimination" toward Catholics by local governments in southeastern Europe “which seem to want to attack the Catholic Church under the administrative, economic and financial profile.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/polish-eastern-catholic-bishops-stand-firm-on-pastoral-care-for-families-76678/

    Here are the results from some other not so secret meetings that may be more productive. Maybe we should be paying more attention to them.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2015, 11:50:32 PM »
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  • The presidents of African national and regional episcopal conference gathered in Ghana from June 8 to 11 to discuss the upcoming Synod of Bishops on the family.

    Fifty prelates, including five cardinals, were present. Among them was Cardinal Robert Sarah, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.

    “Be conscious of the mission of the Church; protect the sacredness of marriage which is now being attacked by all forms of ideologies that intend to destroy the family in Africa,” said Cardinal Sarah, according to a Vatican Radio report. “Do not be afraid to stress the teaching of the Church on marriage.”

    “Africa will speak with one voice at the next Synod: with one voice we will present the challenges and successes of family life in Africa,” added Angolan Archbishop Gabriel Mbilingi, the president of the Symposium of Episcopal Conferences of Africa and Madagascar.

    Cardinal Christian Tumi, 84, of Cameroon urged the future synod fathers “to remain united” in the face of “the false doctrines that destabilize the Church.”

    In their final communiqué, the bishops offered a “clear affirmation of family and marital values according to the Word of God and the doctrine of the Church” and pledged “to avoid a blind and destructive consumption of doctrines that kill the family and marriage.”

    They also spoke about the importance of “not repeating the language used by movements that fight for the destruction of the family, to avoid legitimizing” the language.

    “It is necessary to start from faith, to reaffirm and live it in order to evangelize cultures in depth,” they added.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25262

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    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2015, 11:55:07 PM »
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  • The Catholic bishops of Poland will oppose any change in Church teaching regarding marriage and sɛҳuąƖity at the October meeting of the Synod of Bishops, a spokesman has announced.

    “There’s no support for change in Poland,” said Msgr. Jozef Kloch. Speaking after a meeting in which the Polish hierarchy discussed how they would approach the Synod discussions, he said: “Polish Church delegates will certainly stick to the understanding of Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.”

    The Polish bishops’ spokesman said that there is “nothing to fear” from the Synod, voicing his confidence in Pope Francis. He said that the prospect of a lively debate should not be troublesome, since tense debates have been common in key deliberations by Church leaders—for example, in Vatican II.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25272