Author Topic: Are you guaranteed Gods protection if you live justly? (Read 3454 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** October 09, 2015, 06:14:10 PM »

I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2015, 06:20:50 PM »

Bad things happen to good people all the time. We are meant to carry our crosses and remain faithful. No one is guaranteed that bad things won't happen to him. Remember that Job was always a just man but God let all sorts of bad things happen to him.

As far as rape goes, I remember hearing the story of a Saint David. His mother was a good nun but she got raped and conceived a child who turned out to become a saint.

Nadir · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2015, 06:27:08 PM »

Have you ever heard of St Maria Goretti? She was murdered by her would-be rapist, because she refused his advances. BTW she forgave h[m before her death and he later converted and became a religious.

Jesus led a sinless life and look what happened to Him?

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2015, 06:33:31 PM »

Being a Catholic in the state of grace does not guarantee bad things ever happening to us; but the difference is that our suffering is meritorious, as opposed to that of those who suffer without grace outside the Church. Also, God will only send the crosses that He, in His infinity Wisdom, knows would be beneficial towards our sanctification. I also believe that sufferings have a further, essential purpose: they serve as "tests" God send to His children so we can prove by our humility, patience, resignation, perseverance, determination, and the rest of other virtues we may display when suffering, that we are indeed "worthy of the promises of Christ" as we pray daily in the "Hail Holy Queen".

Ursus · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2015, 08:22:45 PM »

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I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

Sorry to hear all that happened. It shakes me up to hear how these thugs are so brazen to break into homes not just to steal but worse. It's becoming more and more common. Directly to the moral decay of society.

After reading your post before maybe there was intervention since they weren't hurt. These monsters are doing unthinking evil things.

Being able to walk away unharmed, I'd say there were in God's protection.

From a worldly view those who tend to their faith are less likely to be involved in activities that invite these problems.

poche · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:54:40 PM »

I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

No, what you are guaranteed is Heaven when you die.

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:55:43 PM »

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

With respect to the FSSP priest who was recently killed, a miracle has been credited to his intercession.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2015, 12:42:40 PM »

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After reading your post before maybe there was intervention since they weren't hurt. These monsters are doing unthinking evil things.

Being able to walk away unharmed, I'd say there were in God's protection.

Yeah, there definitely was divine intervention in this case.

The only ones in the house were a 23 year old girl and a 30 year old maid. The girl was asleep and the maid was about to go out to the market before the robbers came in, but she says that she suddenly got a bad feeling about leaving the girl asleep by herself so she says she decided to go fold clothes for a while more until she woke up, something she never does (fold clothes before going to the market). So after a little while of her folding clothes, the robbers came in.

Obviously, it would most certainly have been worse if they would have come in with the girl alone in the house, asleep even!

When they went into the girls room, which they did after going to the other rooms, they had the gun on the maids head and made her go in first like that. The girl woke up when the maid was going in and she told her "do what they say!" so she immediately got under the covers and the men were just asking her where things were, without telling her to get out of the bed or uncovering.

So when they were done they just left and didn't touch them at all, they didn't hit them or rape them or anything. Considering how easily and often that happens in such cases, I'd say that was divine intervention right there.

Cera · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2015, 05:15:59 PM »

Rain falls on the just and the unjust.
The primitive belief that bad things like rape don't or won't happen to good people is from the enemy.
What say you to an innocent child who is born into a home where rape is routine?

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2015, 06:41:45 PM »

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I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

I have thought about this before also. I think that God must protect us on some level. But because we are imperfect we are bound to do something to upset God and fall out of His protection for at least some time. At which point, bad things are more likely to happen. In the case of this family you are speaking of, it may have only taken 1 of them to do something just wrong enough for God to allow such a thing to happen. But because we don't have the overall picture of the situation, like God has, it appears that an injustice occurred to a group of people who didn't deserve it.

This is just one way of looking at it, and I could very well be wrong. But I do believe God does protect us to some extent.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2015, 06:57:55 PM »

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I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

I have thought about this before also. I think that God must protect us on some level. But because we are imperfect we are bound to do something to upset God and fall out of His protection for at least some time. At which point, bad things are more likely to happen. In the case of this family you are speaking of, it may have only taken 1 of them to do something just wrong enough for God to allow such a thing to happen. But because we don't have the overall picture of the situation, like God has, it appears that an injustice occurred to a group of people who didn't deserve it.

This is just one way of looking at it, and I could very well be wrong. But I do believe God does protect us to some extent.

Or possibly if these men didn't break into the house which caused the bread winner of the family to be late for work...where had he left on time for work he would have gotten into a car wreck which would have taken his life......

You see where I am going with this.

OHCA · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2015, 07:10:59 PM »

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Quote from: Disputaciones
I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

I have thought about this before also. I think that God must protect us on some level. But because we are imperfect we are bound to do something to upset God and fall out of His protection for at least some time. At which point, bad things are more likely to happen. In the case of this family you are speaking of, it may have only taken 1 of them to do something just wrong enough for God to allow such a thing to happen. But because we don't have the overall picture of the situation, like God has, it appears that an injustice occurred to a group of people who didn't deserve it.

This is just one way of looking at it, and I could very well be wrong. But I do believe God does protect us to some extent.

Or possibly if these men didn't break into the house which caused the bread winner of the family to be late for work...where had he left on time for work he would have gotten into a car wreck which would have taken his life......

You see where I am going with this.

Your reasoning is like a cat chasing his ass and falling off a ledge.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2015, 07:27:57 PM »

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I don't mean nothing bad will ever happen to you, but if you live justly and try to always be in grace and live the life then, are you guaranteed things like rape won't ever happen to you?

It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

I don't think I've ever read of a Saint who was already living a saintly life getting raped before. The one I did read who got mugged and attacked several times was St. John Bosco but he was miraculously rescued every time, nothing ever happened to him.

This made me think how vulnerable we all are and that, unless you have a lot of money and can afford top of the line security, anyone can break into your house just like that, if they wanted to.

I have thought about this before also. I think that God must protect us on some level. But because we are imperfect we are bound to do something to upset God and fall out of His protection for at least some time. At which point, bad things are more likely to happen. In the case of this family you are speaking of, it may have only taken 1 of them to do something just wrong enough for God to allow such a thing to happen. But because we don't have the overall picture of the situation, like God has, it appears that an injustice occurred to a group of people who didn't deserve it.

This is just one way of looking at it, and I could very well be wrong. But I do believe God does protect us to some extent.

Or possibly if these men didn't break into the house which caused the bread winner of the family to be late for work...where had he left on time for work he would have gotten into a car wreck which would have taken his life......

You see where I am going with this.

Your reasoning is like a cat chasing his ass and falling off a ledge.

Shut up. Nothing you have said has ever impressed me at all. You are nothing but negative energy who drags people down. Are you single still? I can't see why any decent woman would ever marry a naysayer like yourself. The woman would be miserable.

MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2015, 08:07:22 AM »

We are looking at this backwards, in a way. God knew from all eternity what would be our qualities, our strengths, our weaknesses, our response to every possible situation. Knowing this, and every circuмstance that would ever exist in the world, He specifically chose the time, place, parents and circuмstances in which to place us that would be most conducive to our spiritual good and that of those with whom we would be connected. There is no such thing as luck or chance.

God's providence takes in every factor, most of which we will never know on this earth. His aim is not to give us a comfortable life or physical security. His aim is for our eternal life. We ourselves do not know what we would do in a different set of circuмstances, but God does. God's knowledge and His love are infinite. Some people would grow hard and cold in more comfortable situations. Some would be proud and lost. Even those who will reject Him, no matter what, are placed where they do have opportunities for the truth, and in which they will accrue the least mortal sins. There is one thing we can do in every circuмstance, and that is continue to worship God as He wishes to be worshiped, strive to grow in holiness and closeness to our Saviour, cling to our Mother Mary, and do everything to the glory of God.

Someday in eternity this will seem so small, unless we use it to offer, united with the Cross of Jesus, our small sufferings for souls. That will make an eternal difference.

clare · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2015, 09:00:39 AM »

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It's just that with the recent episode of armed men breaking into the house of someone I know, I just wonder if even if you live justly and in grace, God can still let something like that happen to you, men breaking into your house and raping you, or if things like this are due to living in mortal sin and won't happen to the just.

St Joan of Arc lived justly and got burned at the stake.

Oh, and Jesus got crucified. 11 of the Apostles got martyred, and they tried to martyr the 12th, I gather.

Bad stuff has traditionally happened to good guys.