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Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
« on: January 17, 2024, 11:46:57 AM »
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  • America is notorious for having the highest C-section rate in the world. That is a problem.

    So many young couples get caught unawares, blissfully ignorant of The System, the problems with it, and end up with an "emergency C-section" on their first baby.

    DID YOU KNOW that white woman deliver their babies ON AVERAGE 10 days late? Yes, that should leave you scratching your head. How could the AVERAGE be 10 days late? Shouldn't the "due date" be adjusted? But see, that's just WHITE women. But apparently the idiots in the Medical-Industrial Complex are so Woke (or something) they refuse to consider that the races have real, physical differences.

    Call me crazy, but when I ask "when should my wife deliver" I'm not asking about some hypothetical amalgam of all races, I'm talking about a woman IN MY WIFE'S DEMOGRAPHIC. That's all I'm interested in.

    So because of this, medical professionals freak out and consider the woman "DAYS" overdue even though she's not late at all. Her body simply isn't ready to deliver the baby yet. But because of the foolish freak-out, they have her come in for an induction -- induced labor with pitocin. BIG MISTAKE. Her body isn't ready. She will end up in an "emergency C-section".

    This sets them on a path for future C-sections. Because in America, 99.99% of hospitals and doctors follow the path "Once a C-section, always a C-section" by default.

    YES, you can buck that trend by seeking out a midwife that will help you do a VBAC, but it takes gumption and a strong will on your part. It takes energy, research/homework, some serious speaking up for yourself, and preferably a choleric temperament (which not many women have!) Even then, there are issues with insurance, complications (like high blood pressure) which cause the midwives to send you to "regular doctor(s)" to have it checked out, etc.

    Normally this isn't an issue, for the average W.A.S.P. Most couples, if they have kids at all, limit themselves to 2 via artificial birth control. But that is not an option for Catholics, obviously. Which is how they end up having C-section after C-section, until something gives out.

    Are we preparing our young men and woman for this reality? Forewarned is forearmed.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #1 on: January 17, 2024, 12:01:32 PM »
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  • There are some reasons for C-sections, obviously.  But mostly, it's due to $.  Doctors don't want to wait around and be "on call" to deliver babies, when God's time is right.  So, they make up excuses for C-sections, which can be scheduled, costs predicted, and time budgeted for.  The hospitals win.  The doctors win.  Actual customers/mothers/babies lose.


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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #2 on: January 17, 2024, 12:30:11 PM »
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  • The solution is going back to home births and midwives. Less interventions and less birth trauma/abuse by the medical system. But those who don't have access to good midwives, birth centre or a good OB, what are they supposed to do? You also have the problem of regulated ("medwives") and unregulated midwives.

    Also interventions like pitocin, epidural can impact breastfeeding and affect the baby. Laying on your back to birth is not ideal. Episiotomies are unnecessary. 

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #3 on: January 17, 2024, 12:30:22 PM »
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  • When my second child was being born the doctor was in my room with me because I was the quiet patient. The woman across the hallway was screaming like a banshee and I heard the doctor tell the nurse to prepare her for surgery because she wouldn't shut up. 🤔

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #4 on: January 17, 2024, 12:52:20 PM »
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  • Yeah, I'm not sure why they're pushing C-sections so much.  I just had a niece give birth and she ended up having a C-section done even though she seemed perfectly healthy ... though I don't have details about whether perhaps the baby was breach or something.


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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #5 on: January 17, 2024, 12:54:17 PM »
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  • The solution is going back to home births and midwives. Less interventions and less birth trauma/abuse by the medical system. But those who don't have access to good midwives, birth centre or a good OB, what are they supposed to do? You also have the problem of regulated ("medwives") and unregulated midwives.

    Also interventions like pitocin, epidural can impact breastfeeding and affect the baby. Laying on your back to birth is not ideal. Episiotomies are unnecessary.

    Yeah, though the issue with home births is that if there's some emergency that arises that requires immediate attention, surgical intervention, etc. ... it's good to be in a hospital.  There's a reason that so many women and babies died in childbirth a long time in the past.

    But, yes, pitocin is used often just because the OB has to make a tee-off on the golf course and the delivery is taking "too long".

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #6 on: January 17, 2024, 01:11:09 PM »
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  • Yeah, though the issue with home births is that if there's some emergency that arises that requires immediate attention, surgical intervention, etc. ... it's good to be in a hospital.  There's a reason that so many women and babies died in childbirth a long time in the past.

    But, yes, pitocin is used often just because the OB has to make a tee-off on the golf course and the delivery is taking "too long".
    They died back then because they didn't have the education and technology we have today. The leading cause would be hemorrhage (bleeding out) which actually can be caused by human error like yanking the placenta out instead of birthing it naturally as well as other reasons. If you're in the city, you can get to the hospital immediately. Midwives carry pitocin with them and can suture you after a tear. You also have dopplers (to check for positioning and heart beat). Most women are low-risk and them being in the hospital can lead them to have unnecessary c-sections unless their provider is very good. 

    C-section is major surgery and there are so many risks especially after one after the other (once a c-section always a c-section). Most doctors don't do VBACS (because it's "high-risk"). So, if you want to have many kids, you'll have that pressure to stop having kids because what provider is going to take that risk to do that 7th c-section? They will say the uterus is super thin and that can carry some life-threatening risks? Do you have statistics on the deaths that happen to mom and baby in the hospital? 

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #7 on: January 17, 2024, 01:25:43 PM »
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  • They died back then because they didn't have the education and technology we have today. The leading cause would be hemorrhage (bleeding out) which actually can be caused by human error like yanking the placenta out instead of birthing it naturally as well as other reasons.

    OK, but other things happen outside of human error, not to mention that human error cannot be ruled out even with good education ... many seasoned OBs with years of training and experience have made errors and been sued for malpractice.  And in certain scenarios, minutes can count.  It would take me 20-25 minutes to get to a hospital from the suburb I live in.  I don't see any compelling reason for home birth, other than financial if you don't have insurance, provided that either people choose their OBs wisely (or you can have midwives at hospitals) and/or are able to push back on things like C-sections being pushed by lazy doctors for convenience, pitocin (again for convenience), and the Hep B jab they always try to push on you for the newborns.


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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #8 on: January 17, 2024, 01:38:00 PM »
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  • In some communities home births can get you on the CPS radar from day one.

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #9 on: January 17, 2024, 03:54:39 PM »
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  • Well, some c-sections take place when the woman has a STD, like herpes.  My sister got that from her unfaithful husband/a homo.  Then there is the idea that all women need to go to 40 weeks. Wrong!!  I knew a lady that was a DES daughter. So, the lady was born with abnormalities. When measured, she could give birth to a 5 lb baby, a month early.  But no-no, the military clinic never measured her. They just had it in their mind to deliver her C-section. Another hospital said how the military medical staff were so ignorant.  She can deliver a healthy 5 lb baby and a safe delivery.

    And of course the doctor who does not have the calling from God to deliver babies.  Being a woman, I certainly feel for the women who pray they have a good doctor and a safe delivery.

    A baby comes when nature says so.  Due dates are 260 days from conception or 280 from last menstrual.

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #10 on: January 17, 2024, 04:25:02 PM »
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  • Yeah, I'm not sure why they're pushing C-sections so much.  I just had a niece give birth and she ended up having a C-section done even though she seemed perfectly healthy ... though I don't have details about whether perhaps the baby was breach or something.
    Money.  And many doctors think they are god. 
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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #11 on: January 17, 2024, 06:21:44 PM »
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  • Where are Catholic hospitals when we need them?  The medical field is about the love of money instead of getting people better.  Sick people are dollar signs. 

    Sad to say there is plenty of adultery among medical staff , or sodomy. 
    As a Catholic, it would be nice of most of the medical staff believed in Jesus instead of witchcraft and satan. 

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #12 on: January 17, 2024, 10:04:16 PM »
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  • I think that the fast paced society that we live in has increased the level of stress in women's lives. This has led to an increase number of c-sections.  I have had 5 c-sections.  For me, the stress I was under made it hard for me.  No doctor forced it.  I was lucky though, for the most part I had good doctors.  So I think that we really need to make sure that our girls know how to not stress.  How do we do that?  How do we teach them it is a natural process, without worrying them?  (I don't really need these answers, I have only sons, but I though they would be good discussion points.)
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #13 on: January 18, 2024, 12:54:43 AM »
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  • OK, but other things happen outside of human error, not to mention that human error cannot be ruled out even with good education ... many seasoned OBs with years of training and experience have made errors and been sued for malpractice.  And in certain scenarios, minutes can count.  It would take me 20-25 minutes to get to a hospital from the suburb I live in.  I don't see any compelling reason for home birth, other than financial if you don't have insurance, provided that either people choose their OBs wisely (or you can have midwives at hospitals) and/or are able to push back on things like C-sections being pushed by lazy doctors for convenience, pitocin (again for convenience), and the Hep B jab they always try to push on you for the newborns.
    Do you have any stats on emergency transfers from home births? I think you'd be surprised at how extremely rare they are. For my local midwife, the stat was "has never happened". Nevertheless, she set up a birthing center next to the local hospital so that these unfounded fears would not be a concern for anyone. I've done every sort of birth and my preference was a birthing center. Home birth did have some advantages, but my personal preference was to be in a place that was homey and yet not my actual home. : )

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    Re: Are we teaching our girls (and boys) about C-sections?
    « Reply #14 on: January 18, 2024, 06:12:46 AM »
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  • Catholics may want to follow the example of the Amish and Mennonites in areas where their population is high.  They have set up birthing centers affiliated with local hospitals and provide services to mothers, everything from prenatal care and check-ups, through birth and post-natal care for both mother and baby.  Some will provide certified midwives/doulas for birth at home if that is preferred.  They will respect the parents’ wishes in matters such as vaccines, circuмcision, etc. (I do not believe most support the latter mentioned or will perform it. They have ready and fast access to hospitals should an emergency arise.)  
    Such facilities exist in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and New York (northernmost counties, not near the city.)  it is possible they exist in other places, as well.  
    Prospective fathers, why not a few men step up and investigate this possibility for your parish/chapel? Older ladies whose children are flown the nest and still have the ability and desire to work—you check this out, too.  
    There are Catholic and non-Catholics out there who lost their jobs and professional licenses over Dr. Fauxi’s 💉.  Are there any willing and able to assist at home births on a private basis?  
    All of these alternatives are much less money than using a traditional hospital. The majority of Amish have no medical insurance and the spectre of bankruptcy from giving birth is otherwise a deterrent to marriage. 
    If a woman knows for sure a C-section is medically necessary, then a hospital is needed.  In that case, it may be possible to have the baby in a red state that forbids or strictly limits abortion.  If the pro-aborts can travel to blue states to murder their children, no reason why pro-lifers can't travel to red states to save their children’s lives.  
    Also, while it is still generally true, “Once a C-section, always a C-section,” there are now restorative surgeries and strategies that can be taken for exceptions.  See a specialist if that’s you!  Even years ago, in the 1980’s, I know of an Amish woman whose first baby was a month overdue, delivered by C-section. Her second baby arrived early, delivered naturally with her husband assisting in their bed.  Babies 3-16 were all either home births or with an Amish mid-wife (unlicensed, therefore delivered only within their immediate church district.)