I was talking to my uncle who had a discussion with two other Catholics and they all came to the conclusion we might already be in the Chastisement considering how far people have fallen from the Catholic faith and how little common sense and critical thinking is used by the majority of the people. They are thinking Gold is sending the majority of people anti-graces (part of the operation of error) for not following the Catholic Faith and they believe this is part of the Chastisement.

All I keep hearing from Faithful Traditional Catholics is, “Everything is just gone! There is nothing left! There is almost nothing we can do except PRAY!”.

Has the process of the Chastisement already begin? Where do we as Catholics fit into this mess and what do you believe the future holds for us Catholics and that of all people on this earth before the second coming of Christ?

The times we are living in are described in the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.

The Pharisee is DOING right things; never forget that he is doing things which God's commandments require.

The problem is that he is using the accomplishment of these good things as a source of pride. The only things which are inherently grace-giving, ex opere operato, are the Sacraments validly administered by a valid priest. All of OUR good works can turn into "iniquity" which causes Our Lord to say "I never knew you" if those works are hypocritical and done in a state of sin.

The publican is the one who manifests a truly penitent attitude, humble and contrite to such a degree that even his worldly profession and ungodly associations are not impediments to his sorrow over sin nor his desire to be humble in God's sight.

So many people today who are trying to live out the Faith according to Tradition have decried the seemingly uncaring attitude of many Newchurch adherents.

People complain that so many people seem to just be "putting in an appearance" or "getting their ticket punched" and then living, believing and obeying only as they see fit.

Where do we think such lax attitudes came from? The people in our generation didn't invent hypocritical pew-sitting. This baloney was modeled for them by their parents and grandparents. I'm going on 40, and my mother spent nearly half her life in the Church before Vat 2. My maternal grandparents were both involved in the Faith for nearly 60 years before the changes started happening. My grandfather, for one, simply stopped attending services when the robbers started trying to mess with the liturgy. Many people, however, indeed, the vast majority of people, never had such convictions. Their parishes were being infiltrated by the SodoModernists and the JєωMason liturgical/theological assassins, and these sheeple were by and large none the wiser.

Are we in the Chastisement? You bet your kneelers we are. It's been a long time coming.

I'm trying to bring my family out of the errors of Protestant sectarianism, and the practical effects of the current chastisement are before my face every day.

The only seemingly valid Sacraments anywhere near me are administered by people in the SSPX who are una cuм Frank the Humble and who are still allied with +Fellay who I don't believe can be trusted.

Every other so-called "traditional" site within hours of me is diocesan or totally independent of episcopal jurisdiction, which renders their sacraments questionable at best. With the security of my family's spiritual lives at stake, I can't gamble.

Yes, we're in the Chastisement. Judgment must begin at the House of God, as St. Peter told us.

God, be merciful to me, a sinner.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Hogwash.

The Chastisement is PRECISELY when people are left to enjoy their AC and their automobile.

The Chastisement began years ago, when those who should have run screaming from Paul the Sick and his Bogus Ordo instead ignored, then accepted and soon encouraged the SodoModernism that is the modus operandi of the false religion of Newchurch.

Millions upon millions of people are now denied the true Faith and the true Sacraments. Some say the case could be made that the True Eternal Sacrifice has ceased altogether as Daniel prophesied.

If you want to believe that the Chastisement will be readily apparent to all, go ahead. Just bear in mind that it is precisely when "peace and safety" are seemingly everywhere that "sudden destruction" will come upon those unaware.

The ten foolish virgin bridesmaids were happy and anticipating a celebration when they were caught unprepared and asleep at Our Lord's coming.

No one in Scripture who is ultimately lost is described as aware or guarding against terrors they could clearly perceive around them. Only those who know what to look for can recognize that the world is nearly, if not totally, bereft of the greatest sources of sanctifying grace.

Things may and will get much worse, but there's no way that the apostasy and spiritual desert all around us are mere happenstance or coincidental.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

The only people suffering God's "wrath" in your interpretation are the faithful.  The unfaithful, the degenerate, and even the evil are actually doing quite well in today's world.

No, the chastisement has not already begun.  Somehow, I think there will be no questioning it when it arrives.

"God will send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie who have delighted in unrighteousness."

"...false signs and wonders that would, if it were possible, deceive even the elect."

Like I said, it may very well get much worse as far as our daily material lives are concerned, but there were great saints in times when economic and social problems were at least as bad as they are now.

Pope St. Pius X reigned during a severe economic downturn in the US during the 1890s.

The Church was well represented by saints and beati during terrible times of war, famine and poverty.

Conversely, today, people are denied the Sacraments because corruption crept into the Church over many years, and now people will mistake material blessings and privileges for the graces from God which can only be received through devotion to the Faith and mortification.

Guess what? The man in Our Lord's parable of the granaries was very ready to relax and enjoy the fruits of his earthly labors. His sudden and unexpected summons to his personal judgment left him unprepared to face Almighty God.

Likewise, the ant in the Proverbs is used as a reminder that when spiritual abundance was all around, we should all have been preparing for the famine that is now upon us.

I think the problem people have in not recognizing the danger we are in is one of perspective.

Some of you have always been in Tradition. Some converted years ago. Others have come to the Faith later but seemingly had more resources and personnel available.

I, on the other hand, have only received a baptism by a Protestant who was rabidly anti-Catholic. I've never received a single valid Sacrament. Everything I have come to believe to be true I have learned on my own. I have only the burning desire to do all that is required of me in order to belong to and be faithful to Holy Church.

I am trapped in a wasteland of Protestant sectarianism and Bogus Ordo nonsense and depravity. I live within a short drive of my diocesan see, yet it is occupied by a Conciliarist and thorough-going ecuмenist.

Tell me of all people that the absence of Jesus from the churches built in His Name and the corruption of the clergy are not clear signs of God's anger against His wayward people.

No, you'd rather explain the eclipse of the Church away because you've got Trad-leaning friends around you to spend time with.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to save my soul and those of my family members and you're telling me things aren't that bad yet.

Wait till +Fellay finally sells out. The '62 Missal is already rife with Roncalli and Bugnini's changes. It won't be long before the Society is using the New Mess and everyone who recognizes Frank the Humble will be forced to comply just like the Franciscans were.

Yeah, it's not that bad yet. Keep telling yourself that.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Sure, spiritually it is a bit depressing, but materially most people in the world have never had it so good.

The view from Mount Olympus would be clearer were it not for all those clouds.

Many of the people in my community are working for slave wages.

It is a hard question; when I've asked it, I've been reminded that the 3 days is literal, &c things that don't fit perfectly. But prophecies are hard (esp putting several together), and it seems to me that very few people ever recognized they were living in prophetic times.

But don't we already act very careful about exposing our families to the outside world, maybe most especially to conciliar teachings? Just yesterday, we had a 14 yo altar boy (Confirmed last year) email everyone he was quitting Church (thank God I don't read email before Mass). This kid apparently likes what Frank has to say, but his actions (emailing everyone with blasphemies before Mass) were evil (left his mother in tears; he's saying he's an agnostic who thinks trads are too focused on the rules.)
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And it's hard to ignore that Putin is posturing for a stand against the West, and the West is bucking up against him. I could see some real ugliness coming from this "Russia vs the Sodomites" thing. Post-nuclear annihilation is the only way my meager brain can imagine decades of peace after the Chastisement. This morning CNN was rambling on about how "unfair" Russia is acting with legal action against Madonna and Lady Gaga for pushing the gαy message in Russia last year (of course CNN made Russia out to look as bad as possible, but I was actually applauding Russia's actions!)

I know my g-ma (Lord let light perpetual shine on her) thought the two witnesses were alive in her day (++Lefebvre was one of them, IIRC), the argument being that anyone who cared to ask "what happened to the Church" could learn of ++Lefebvre's excommunication for standing against Satanic rites. So she lived as if she was in the Chastisement.

Also, the sign in the sky: that lightening bolt at St. Peter's got A LOT of press coverage, and I didn't think much of it at the time, but now, I wonder if maybe it was a warning that even the remnants of the Latin Rite (motu) would be removed. A valid Mass was already hard to find without some kind of compromise (and some people already have no access within 4 hrs of where they live), but I really do feel sorry for the Franciscans who had thought they could get something holy from the conciliar church. They LOOK sad. (Why some went ahead with their vows this weekend, I can't explain. I would've run like Satan was behind me and never looked back.)

My (maternal) g-ma apparently walked out of a strange "mass" in the late 70s with her head held high   not even knowing the SSPX would be there later (it was, but not right away); she just knew what wasn't right, and LEFT forever. My dad was critical of her, but as we grew up, my parents started driving further and further away to Mass, until it became an expensive weekend trip once a month to a warehouse-looking building with a meager setup inside; and then my parents stopped going altogether (I just got them a priest these last several years to go to their home for visits). So I know how ugly it can be to see people who don't know what to do when the Mass is "suddenly" not available to them. Very sad. They question themselves, they look at the EO, wonder if God left them; they're mocked, humiliated, and threatened by their own former friends.

So I'm thinking, maybe the lightening bolt was a sorta last warning to any Catholics left that we're at least near the Chastisement, if not smack dab in it. I don't think it hurts to live as if we're in the Chastisement, and leave the unfolding of the details to God. So glad I have the example of my g-ma to follow, though. (I'm not sainting her, but looking back, she was right all along; even Daddy attests to that now.)