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Offline Jehanne

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Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
« on: February 22, 2011, 07:36:29 AM »
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  • We have all heard about the Duggars, who are making tons of money ($24 K per episode?) off of their large family; there is a couple in Colorado with 15 kids where the dad works for "Focus on the Family", and a few other large Protestant families.

    How about big Catholic families?  Any of those?  I am curious about the 15+ kid-size Catholic families in America.  Why do we never hear about those on TV?  Do such families even still exist?


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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 08:06:21 AM »
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  • There was one family with 12 at the chapel I used to attend.  Another with 10, another with 9.


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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 08:09:12 AM »
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  • We have several families with 10 children at our chapel.

    Could the reason be, because if your Catholic with a large family it isn't news worthy?
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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 08:51:40 AM »
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  • A friend at my chapel just gave birth to her 13th child about a month before our daughter was born.  We have 2 very young families with 6 each.  I believe one mother might be pregnant again but I'm not sure.  One family has 9.  We have 7.  At our previous NO church, there was a trad family with 10.

    Personal observation from a former Protestant:  Many of these evangelical families don't nurse their babies for long periods of time or they don't nurse at all.  Their fertility returns after about 3 or 4 months and they fall pregnant again having babies every year.  I completely breastfeed, as do all the women I know at my chapel.  We were just talking about it.  I don't even feed my babies solid food until they really want it at about 9 or 10 months old.  I nurse until the babies wean themselves.  As a result, my fertility returns at the earliest when the baby is 11 or 12 months.  Once my fertility didn't return for 18 months.  

    I also do genealogy.  These HUGE families of 18 or 20 are HIGHLY unusual unless many babies die in infancy.  I have read literally thousands of census records and where all children survive infancy, the families are usually no larger than 10 (unless a man had 2 or more wives).  It makes sense really as a woman can only have children for a short period of time.  Even IF she married at 12, she'd would have about 30 years of fertility.  Naturally, most babies come every 2 or 3 years.  

    What these evangelicals do many times is stop nursing at about 4 months.  I know some who intentionally quit nursing at 4 or 5 months just so they WOULD fall pregnant again.  For many of them, their mega-families are a "red badge of courage."  

    NO Catholics contracept just like secular families do.  I know plenty of women who have been sterilized or their husbands have been sterilized.  I know plenty who take the pill.  One of my friends, after her fourth child was born, couldn't handle the "stress."  She takes the pill.  I have one friend who encouraged her married daughter to take birth control pills because they didn't "need" any babies.  

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    « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 09:20:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    We have several families with 10 children at our chapel.

    Could the reason be, because if your Catholic with a large family it isn't news worthy?


    I'd say because the Catholics with large families, don't have the large families for fame and money.  I realized this about the Duggers when the woman said she passes the care of a baby at six months of age to one of the older kids, so she can "prepare" to get pregnant again.  


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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 09:49:46 AM »
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  • Yes, it appears that the Duggars are "on top" (no pun intended) and are the largest family in America:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting

    Interesting quote:

    "The Duggars raise their children using a buddy system, wherein an older sibling is assigned to a younger sibling and assists in their primary care."

    As a parent of 5 children, I do not know that I agree with that statement.  We have our older siblings "help out" when they are absolutely needed, but they have no assigned duties when it comes to taking care of our two youngest children.  As parents, that's our responsibility.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 10:27:12 AM »
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  • A women friend of mine who is devout NO has 10 children, and her son was just ordained a priest.
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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 11:07:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7

    NO Catholics contracept just like secular families do.  I know plenty of women who have been sterilized or their husbands have been sterilized.  I know plenty who take the pill.  One of my friends, after her fourth child was born, couldn't handle the "stress."  She takes the pill.  I have one friend who encouraged her married daughter to take birth control pills because they didn't "need" any babies.  


    My priest said more catholics would end up dieing in mortal sin and going to hell because of birth control.

    Anyways, a family at my parish has 9(21-4yo or so)


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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 11:43:08 AM »
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    A women friend of mine who is devout NO has 10 children, and her son was just ordained a priest.


    Just curious, did you purposly say she was a devout NO insead of devout Catholic?
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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
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  • There are plenty of larger families in the Trad world --

    I agree with what's been said about the Duggars, and Protestants in general.

    There's a difference between having the children God sends you, and having as many children as possible.

    If you want to "see how many you can have", you'll do things like not breastfeed. Breastfeeding delays the return of fertility; that's a scientific fact.

    For the virtue of "Resignation to God's will regarding family size", the Duggars are the "excess", while Double-Income-No-Kids are the defect. I go for the virtuous mean, which is "between AND ABOVE" the two extremes.

    As an aside, with any virtue it's not about "averaging" the two extremes (vices) -- but going between AND ABOVE them.

    For example, you shouldn't be miserly on odd-numbered days and wasteful on even-numbered days. The virtue of poverty goes above both extremes.

    Same for all the other vices/virtues.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 01:09:38 PM »
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  • I think it's also a Protestant thing -- "Once saved, always saved" so having 15 kids is better than 10, which is better than 6.

    But a Catholic knows that once you have a child, your work has just begun in raising them Catholic, and that God judges parents VERY STRICTLY in how they raised them. It's almost as onerous as being a priest!

    So it doesn't behoove a Catholic to make it a "contest" to "see how many you can have".


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    Are Protestants the only ones having really BIG families?
    « Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM »
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  • At my chapel we have one family that has 10 kids.  If the mother is the woman that I think it is, I should point out that she is extraordinarily youthful-looking.  I point this out because in our worldly society, women are worried that having kids will turn them into Medusa prematurely.  The reality is that what really ages you prematurely is self-obsession and selfishness.  The girls in their twenties in Los Angeles look like old prostitutes sometimes, with scratchy voices, all wrinkly and used-up.  Partying and drugs and casual sex take a toll far worse than having lots of kids ever could.

    It's the same in the Novus Ordo.  The worldly-minded ( which includes many in Novus Ordo, if not most ) go about everything backwards.  The stress doesn't come from the kids only; it comes from certain expectations that they have about life, which causes them to do their own will instead of God's.  If you start out with the attitude that kids are a burden imposed on you by the Church, you're basically admitting you really don't want them.  You're going to be constantly unhappy and ungrateful.  The next step, naturally, is birth control.  Everything starts with the attitude, more specifically, with the true faith, which is love.  There is no grace there, also, this should always be remembered.  

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    As a parent of 5 children, I do not know that I agree with that statement.  We have our older siblings "help out" when they are absolutely needed, but they have no assigned duties when it comes to taking care of our two youngest children.  As parents, that's our responsibility.


    Wow, do the parents here agree with this?  Because another point I wanted to make is that, the more kids you have, the more they can help raising each other, with the older kids having duties towards the younger.  If this is how your family is run, then it would almost be less stressful than having one or two kids.  The family would almost run itself in a hierarchy, with the father as the CEO and the mother as the Managing Director.  
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    « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 02:41:59 PM »
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  • I guess I'd have to hear some concrete examples.

    I expect our oldest (son) to help out any way he can -- at 5 years old, he's our only real help. We get a lesser degree of help from our 3 1/2 year old (daughter).

    Maybe that's the problem with kids today -- their whole life is about "play", because there's no "need" for them to do anything responsible (work), because they only have 1, or MAYBE 2 siblings -- well-spaced of course.

    Necessity is the mother of invention.

    But I have to expect him to do something, or I'll never get any help from him. That's the mistake my dad made. We were in our teens and still left our dishes on the table, NEVER washed them, or did any other chores to earn our keep. My dad was full of energy and impatient (like me) and found it easier to do it all himself.

    Problem is, he was annoyed when he woke up one day with teenagers unwilling to help out. He didn't mind when we were 5, 7, or 9 years old -- but he did mind when we were older. But when do you draw that line? How do you go from "yesterday, you did nothing and that was fine" to "but today is different".

    That's often hard to pull off.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 03:51:01 PM »
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  • I have a 5 year old living with us, and every morning he makes his bed.  Puts the covers on, very neatly one at a time, pulls the wrinkles out then places all his stuffed animals on the bed.  His other "job" is to put away the silverware when I am emptying the dishwasher.  

    Other than that he is a handful, yesterday when my back was turned, he took the vent off the floor and decided to play golf, got the ball right into the floor vent and only Our Lord knows know where it is.  
    A few days ago, in his "K" class they are teaching them how to tell time, so Sister turns the hands on the clock to show 12:00, 1:00, 2:00 etc., he decided to try it at home, climbed up and started turning the hands on the large wall clock we have.  My husband, looked, and said, how did those hands get all twisted up, on the clock.  I laughed all day about that one.  
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    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 04:25:06 PM »
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  • It sounds like you are enjoying him. That's wonderful.

    On raising kids:  Laugh, enjoy and be consistent with the discipline.  
    Read Dr. Dobson's book on discipline (I read it a generation ago, but it's timeless).  

    On breastfeeding:  It's the best way to feed and nurture a baby, so quite interesting that some  who want large families are weaning babies early in order to have more.  I would say that I'm not sure which way is best, except that God intended Mothers to nurse, so nursing is following God's plan.  There are so many benefits from nursing.  

    And on large families in traditional chapels:  Yes, I can think of quite a few and they are a fine example of really living the Faith, but I would also like to encourage everyone to not judge the smaller families, as not all good Catholic parents are blessed by God with lots of children.  There are often medical reasons or early ends to the childbearing years for some and who knows what God's plans are.  We can't and shouldn't judge.  I say this because a friend once rebuked a Catholic couple, thinking that they were practicing birth control and it was the exact opposite.  The couple were not able to have children and were so sad about it and the judgements of others were not only unwarranted, but more reasons for sorrow for the poor couple. They eventually were able to adopt.