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Offline Capt McQuigg

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Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
« on: July 17, 2012, 11:56:09 AM »
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  •  :confused1:

    I suspect yes but I don't want to be uncharitable.

    What do you guys think?

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 12:43:50 PM »
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  • This is an interesting topic.  I was immediately reminded of the movie: "When we were soldiers" (Mel Gibson, 2002).
    Part of a dialogue "Mel" is having with his children:
    Moore: Cecile? I don't hear you praying, honey.
        Cecile: I don't wanna be a Catholic! I wanna be a Nethodist like Mommy!
        Moore: A-and why's that?
        Cecile: So I can pray whatever I want.
        Older Brother: That's a sin!
        Moore: Oh, no-no-no, that's not a sin. God just made you hard-headed. It's not a sin. Uh, I'll tell you what. You wanna, you wanna pray and thank God for our family?

    And he begins with: Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with Thee....

    I'm sure the Prots would come out with all the 'bible verses' concerning this:(Little do they understand some of that 'bible' they carry, is a remnant of a robbed and looted BIBLE from the Catholics).  
    But to the point, many Catholic priests and the writings of the Saints (St. Therese of Lisieux)would also tell us we must also pray to God, in our own words.  Our Blessed Lady has said the same. (For those who want citations, dates, titles etc...don't bother).  

    But to address the question...well, all I can say at this moment is: Who knows the mind of God? and to beg the question further: What do we know from Traditional Catholic teaching?


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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 12:54:18 PM »
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  • Why wouldn't God listen to their prays if they are truly striving to love God with all their hearts and being obedient to all the commandments according to the light they've been given by the Holy Spirit?  Most Protestants are material heretics who don't know any better.  They've been indoctrinated with Protestant errors their whole lives.  I might add that oftentimes Protestants put Catholics to shame.
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 12:58:09 PM »
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  • It clearly depends on the prayer and the context of the prayer, does it not?

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 12:59:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It clearly depends on the prayer and the context of the prayer, does it not?


    Please elaborate on that one.  


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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 01:06:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
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    It clearly depends on the prayer and the context of the prayer, does it not?


    Please elaborate on that one.  


    If someone is praying in a Protestant assembly they are endorsing Protestantism.

    If someone in good faith asks for God's help, that's another matter.  Don't you think?

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 01:07:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It clearly depends on the prayer and the context of the prayer, does it not?


    Right. I don’t think that any truly sincere prayer to Jesus could be offensive to him. It’s true that we should not pray with Protestants, but this is due to non- community of belief, rather than implying an absolute judgment on Protestants’ prayers. But in fact it’s likely that many Protestants and Catholics wind up praying in ways that, lacking sincerity, including heretical or impious ideas, or seeking to impose, are in one degree or another offensive to God.

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 02:25:47 PM »
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  • I think this question is what the VII teaching on "baptism of desire" was getting at. I grew up Protestant, and I would certainly hope that nobody would say that my childhood prayers, full of faith and hope and trust in Jesus Christ, were somehow offensive to Christ. Or that, had I died after nightly prayers, Christ would abandon me to Hell for not being Catholic. However, once I learned the Truth of the Catholic Church, I immediately converted, at least in heart (not 'officially' til Easter Vigil, 2009). Had I not converted, and chosen to remain Prot, then my prayers might be despised by Christ. IDK, good question, lots to think about.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 02:27:50 PM »
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  • I'm not so sure about a lot of this anymore.  There was a time when I was very "ecumenical"...

    Of course, it's not in my hands.

    A young protestant child could certainly pray but once someone reaches adulthood, what would their excuses be for being obstinate in intellectually embracing protestantism?  

    Perhaps a protestant could pray for guidance but they would also have to act on that guidance.  

    Protestants are different from Jews in that a Jew could stake a claim that the Old Dispensation was never abrogated but a protestant is holding fast to heresy.

    Tough stuff.

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 02:54:40 PM »
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  • Well, here is a letter from St.Augustine distinguishing what would come to be called material from formal heresy.

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    "But though the doctrine which men hold be false and perverse, if they do not maintain it with passionate obstinacy, especially when they have not devised it by the rashness of their own presumption, but have accepted it from parents who had been misguided and had fallen into error, and if they are with anxiety seeking the truth, and are prepared to be set right when they have found it, such men are not to be counted heretics. Were it not that I believe you to be such, perhaps I would not write to you."

    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 07:19:07 PM »
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  • the only times i heard protestsntas praying

    they were dictating longwinded letters to God before audience (family, friends, strangers, passerby)

    or they were reciting psalms, usually the Lord is my shepherd which i guess must be the only psalm in the protestahydgat Bible
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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #11 on: July 17, 2012, 09:37:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nylndech
    the only times i heard protestsntas praying

    they were dictating longwinded letters to God before audience (family, friends, strangers, passerby)

    or they were reciting psalms, usually the Lord is my shepherd which i guess must be the only psalm in the protestahydgat Bible


    For a while before I found Catholicism, I went to a "Word Faith" evangelical church. They do in fact dictate to God and actually teach that if they demand something "in Faith", God HAS to obey them! Also you know God truly loves you when you can afford a Lexus. And if you are sick or poor or suffering, you just don't have enough faith to force God to give you health, money and happiness.

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 10:06:28 PM »
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  • This reminds me of a time when I'd been sitting out on the front porch of the apt. bldg. I'd lived at one hot summer eve.  A van pulled up about to let out one of the residents and she (the driver) invited me over to talk.  They wanted to pull me into being "saved" and "Jesus as my personal Savior" and all the rest.  She asked me to pray with them.  I respectfully stood by watching as they lowered their heads and she began to babble like nuts about God, Our Father 10 consecutive times....when all of a sudden her cell phone rang...and she INSTANTLY shut off the prayer stuff to answer the phone.  The call was her 'babble friend' and it sounded like she could have gone on forever about "how bad the show was" and 'no, we didn't stop for a drink' and just stupid stuff.  The poor guy she was supposed to letting out just sat back rolling his eyes and yawning...like "get me out of here already"...

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #13 on: July 17, 2012, 10:31:58 PM »
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  • speaking of proasugtygasnets I went to steubenville youth conf

    oh no nyln thinks hes jim gaffigan

    was ten years ago maybe this week for all I know

    definately was ten years ago, went in 2002, and it was in july maybe

    anyway

    we had adoration of the Blessed Sacrament one night

    you shoulda see the kids crying and laughing and screaming as the monstrance came around

    might have been the diocesan bishop might have been a priest

    the bishop did deliver homily at a later Mass so maybe wasnt him

    bizarre sight

    also during adoration the lay MC had the mic up on stage and kept saying "Jesus" overandoverandoverandover again the whole time

    was like "shut the mic off for goodness sakes"

    diocesan bishop wasnt there or probly woulda told him to shuddup

    later my NO parish priest was quizzed about such things, and he never heard of it in all his years

    although he was prob 15 years ordained at the time
    can't tell if ninja

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    Are protestant prayers offensive to Our Lord?
    « Reply #14 on: July 17, 2012, 11:07:34 PM »
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  • oh yeah point was

    they do the same thing in that proteastangant church too

    think its the pentecostalists

    I remember seeing the same stuff in a video about aimee joseph somethingorother who did that kind of thing

    so I guess the stuebenville thing was a kind of protessatgynt prayer service

    long before I had the good fortune of knowing about trad movement i was very skeptical of such going ons in church
    can't tell if ninja

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