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So many Protestants say, “The Bible and the Bible alone”. Do these Protestants not understand that Bible history is Catholic and that Protestants did not exist at the time Pope Damascus assembled the Holy Bible?

Why do so many Protestants want to claim the Holy Bible as theirs when history proves the Holy Bible is strictly Catholic?
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Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 09:39:27 PM »
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  • Sola Scriptura is a self-refuting, illogical theory which, aside from refuting itself, is refuted in scripture. Sola Scriptura refutes itself because the very idea of Sola Scripture isn't found in the Bible. That is the biggest problem with the theory. No Protestant heretic can get around this, no matter how dishonest they may be.

    The next point I'd like to discuss is the "logic" of Sola Scriptura. There is none. The Bible as a group of Books did not even come into existence and end up being settled canonically until well after (a few centuries) the death of Christ. If the Bible didn't exist, how could the early Christians and Church Fathers have possibly said "Scripture/The Bible Alone"? Sacred Tradition according to 2 Thes. 2:15 (which the foolish Protestants denounce as "traditions of men") is what reigned before the Bible ever existed. It is not possible to explain these away, unless you're clearly of bad will and refuse to see it.

    Then of course there's the fact that the idea is refuted in scripture. In Apocalypse 22:18-19 we read:

    "18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life[/u], and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

    If people  add things to what God has taught... God will send him plagues. If people take away from what God has written, he'll take their names out of the book of life (exclusion from Heaven).

    That does not sound good for the Protestant heretics. Unfortunately though, it does get much worse. In 2 Peter 1:20 we read:

    "Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

    Protestants do not take heed to the words of St. Peter. Sadly, it does get worse. In Matthew 18:19, we read:

    "And if he will not hear them: tell the Church. And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican."

    If Protestants were to have subsisted in the Apostolic times, they would have been rightfully rebuked by the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul as manifest heretics. They refuse to hear the Church on anything (despite claiming to believe in the Church) and defer to their own private interpretation. They do not defer to the authoritative teachings of the Catholic Church, her Magisterial authority, the saints, Doctors, Church Fathers, etc.

    Alas however.. I must say that things get EVEN WORSE for Protestants, as the death blow must inevitably be delivered to this false notion of "Sola Scriptura". In 1 Corinthians 11:2 we read:

    "Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you."

    Oh look.. St. Paul is praising people for having kept to what he told them.. Not of what "Scripture Alone" told them. How unfortunate for Sola Scriptura. The death blow has been delivered. St. Paul is contradicting the notion of Sola Scriptura completely here, proving the point that it is false. :dwarf:

    No form of witchcraft  :gandalf: will ever resurrect Sola Scriptura from the dead. All Protestants can do is worship it and hope that it is true (which it is not). I hope that one day the heretics will be united to the bosom and unity of the Catholic Faith, and will have the zeal for the true faith that many of them do for their false religions.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


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    Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 09:47:40 PM »
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  • I also forgot to add that without the Catholic Church, they wouldn't even have a Bible with which they could posit their false notion of scripture alone. In fact, they wouldn't even know which books were to be considered false and which true. It's sad that they don't see these things.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 09:52:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus
    Sola Scriptura is a self-refuting, illogical theory which, aside from refuting itself, is refuted in scripture. Sola Scriptura refutes itself because the very idea of Sola Scripture isn't found in the Bible. That is the biggest problem with the theory. No Protestant heretic can get around this, no matter how dishonest they may be.

    The next point I'd like to discuss is the "logic" of Sola Scriptura. There is none. The Bible as a group of Books did not even come into existence and end up being settled canonically until well after (a few centuries) the death of Christ. If the Bible didn't exist, how could the early Christians and Church Fathers have possibly said "Scripture/The Bible Alone"? Sacred Tradition according to 2 Thes. 2:15 (which the foolish Protestants denounce as "traditions of men") is what reigned before the Bible ever existed. It is not possible to explain these away, unless you're clearly of bad will and refuse to see it.

    Then of course there's the fact that the idea is refuted in scripture. In Apocalypse 22:18-19 we read:

    "18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life[/u], and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

    If people  add things to what God has taught... God will send him plagues. If people take away from what God has written, he'll take their names out of the book of life (exclusion from Heaven).

    That does not sound good for the Protestant heretics. Unfortunately though, it does get much worse. In 2 Peter 1:20 we read:

    "Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation."

    Protestants do not take heed to the words of St. Peter. Sadly, it does get worse. In Matthew 18:19, we read:

    "And if he will not hear them: tell the Church. And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican."

    If Protestants were to have subsisted in the Apostolic times, they would have been rightfully rebuked by the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul as manifest heretics. They refuse to hear the Church on anything (despite claiming to believe in the Church) and defer to their own private interpretation. They do not defer to the authoritative teachings of the Catholic Church, her Magisterial authority, the saints, Doctors, Church Fathers, etc.

    Alas however.. I must say that things get EVEN WORSE for Protestants, as the death blow must inevitably be delivered to this false notion of "Sola Scriptura". In 1 Corinthians 11:2 we read:

    "Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you."

    Oh look.. St. Paul is praising people for having kept to what he told them.. Not of what "Scripture Alone" told them. How unfortunate for Sola Scriptura. The death blow has been delivered. St. Paul is contradicting the notion of Sola Scriptura completely here, proving the point that it is false. :dwarf:

    No form of witchcraft  :gandalf: will ever resurrect Sola Scriptura from the dead. All Protestants can do is worship it and hope that it is true (which it is not). I hope that one day the heretics will be united to the bosom and unity of the Catholic Faith, and will have the zeal for the true faith that many of them do for their false religions.


    Your post made me think about my dad. My dad goes to a Vatican 2 Church but he attends a Protestant Religious group one day a week. I challenged my dad about his religious group needing to be Traditional Catholic because in the Bible  it is written where Jesus builds his Church upon the rock of Peter. My dad says his group will not go there. They will not even deal with certain scripture.

    If Protestants can't make their Heresies fit in the Bible they will just ignore those scripture passages that expose their heresies while interpreting the rest of the Bible any way they want to.
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    Offline Sigismund

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    Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 09:07:35 AM »
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  • They are not ignorant of the fact so much as  they don't see it that way.  Some of the more sophisticated ones will say that the undivided Catholic Church did indeed produce the scriptures, in that they tested the books floating around that might have some claim to being part of the Bible and decided which ones made it in according to some previously existing standard of orthodoxy.  However, they would also say that the the Roman Catholic Church, (rather than simply the Catholic Church of which they claim to be a part) defected from the truth and betrayed biblical authority so they had to come along and fix things.  I have always thought this was one of the sillier aspects of a Protestant theology.
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    Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2011, 09:36:02 AM »
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    Yes. They don't even know the books of their bibles are inspired by God, but by the authority of the Catholic Church.

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    Are Most Protestants Ignorant of The Fact That Bible History is Catholic?
    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 12:13:18 PM »
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  • I can say absolutely Protestants are ignorant of where the Bible comes from. I have asked my family at different times this question. The answers vary but here are a few "Martin Luther", "From some council in 1398", "I guess it dropped out of the sky", "I don't know". When they actually find out after I share it, each person simply freaks out. They can not or will not believe it. How dare those Catholics! LOL

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    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 12:20:17 PM »
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  • It truly is amazing, how historically ignorant most protestants are. I have found that many do not even understand what the Eastern Orthodox Church is. They have no knowledge of the East-West schism of 1054 AD, or anything.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 01:23:39 PM »
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  • It is also ironic that they do not realize that NO book could be widely distributed before the printing press.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2011, 03:38:11 PM »
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  • I've heard a former Protestant say before that when he was a Protestant, his fellow Prots all wondered where the Bible came from but never talked about it much. They don't realize it was written by the Catholic monks. Without the Catholic Church, they would have no Bible.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 02:31:21 PM »
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  • I can only wonder in amazement what a 'council' of all these fighting, stubborn heretics would come up with as a 'bible' if it were up to them.

    The entire protestant milieu is laughable in their attempts to pretend that their temporal, political and socio-economic ascendance can somehow be equated to spiritual authority.

    If it were not for the manifold errors of free-market captialism and totally unmanaged 'democracy', there would ultimately BE NO protestantism left in the world. It's only because their people are so addicted to 'spirituality' AND keep-up-with-the-Joneses materialism and 'fitting in' that they even bother to have their 'churches' and 'ministries'. It's all a quest for transcendence in their lives as they pursue cultural relevance.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar