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Offline alancarmine

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Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • Dear Catholics, I am an unknowledgeable young convert of a couple of months. I had an issue come up fairly recently when it comes to conversion. Are certain souls, people, born in this world to be damned into hell? As there is no chance for their soul to make it into Heaven, likewise as punishment for their parents?

    I'm 17, I've lived a deliberately pious life with no knowledge of God until I was 16. A byproduct of the world we live in, which I was born into. My family are Godless, and there are no good churches in my area nor people willing to speak the faith, nor ability to reach the ones preaching the true faith thanks to demoralization and censorship. By the grace of God I was able to convert, finding great content by Bishop Williamson, Fr. Hesse, Fr. Altenbach, Fulton Sheen, and more I discover as time goes on.

    This question may seem ridiculous considering my own circuмstances and my own conversation of faith. However, I'll lay down the groundwork for why I think this is the case.

    A few months back, I met a young girl after she made herself known to me. Things were fine, then not. I spare the details but she was clearly demonic as I see it now. The Commandments were broken. I had enough of it and told her God Bless you. Then her brother reached out so I told him about all of the things she had done. Including things she told me, which was not all of it, I know.

    Her mother is a pagan, was never married to her father, her grandparents are horrible, and her great-grandparents are Lutheran, which is the only way she has been to Church. Her great grandfather gifted her a "playgirl" magazine and betty boop memorabilia.

    This girl does not have a good home life. She lives in an apartment in a city, unmarried deceased father, sad older brother who is a "rapper". Her mother is an adulterous woman who speaks about it closely with her daughter. Only has children who are half siblings, etcétéra.

    So I wonder, if because of all of this, especially so early on in her life, she's incapable of converting. If she was born without a spirit as animals are, designed and able to function as a human being but with no capability to convert.

    With so many young people in 2026 living a similar life I wonder how many souls were put here without the capability to understand as it would be unfair to them to have a conscience worthy of God, thanks to the atrocities they come from and were been born into.

    Therefore this is a conclusion I've come to, I would love to read theological evidence for or against this reason.
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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • (...) So I wonder, if because of all of this, especially so early on in her life, she's incapable of converting. If she was born without a spirit as animals are, designed and able to function as a human being but with no capability to convert.

    With so many young people in 2026 living a similar life I wonder how many souls were put here without the capability to understand as it would be unfair to them to have a conscience worthy of God, thanks to the atrocities they come from and were been born into.

    Therefore this is a conclusion I've come to, I would love to read theological evidence for or against this reason.

    Your conclusion seems contrary to the faith since it implies a positive predetermination to sin, and an unconditional Predestination to the eternal punishment of Hell, i.e., without consideration of future demerits, which is heretical.

    According to the teaching of the Church, there is a conditioned positive reprobation, that is, it occurs with consideration of foreseen future demerits (post et propter praevisa demerita). The conditional nature of Positive Reprobation is demanded by the generality of the Divine Resolve of salvation. This excludes God's desiring in advance the damnation of certain men.


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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • Damnation requires an act of the will, committing mortal sin..so no one is doomed to be damned without their consent 

    Pray for this girl's conversation. I don't suppose many have the benefit of a Catholic praying for them in particular 
     

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • Your conclusion seems contrary to the faith since it implies a positive predetermination to sin, and an unconditional Predestination to the eternal punishment of Hell, i.e., without consideration of future demerits, which is heretical.

    According to the teaching of the Church, there is a conditioned positive reprobation, that is, it occurs with consideration of foreseen future demerits (post et propter praevisa demerita). The conditional nature of Positive Reprobation is demanded by the generality of the Divine Resolve of salvation. This excludes God's desiring in advance the damnation of certain men.
    Well said. It is difficult in 2026 to find theological material online so pardon my inference.
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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • Dear Catholics, I am an unknowledgeable young convert of a couple of months. I had an issue come up fairly recently when it comes to conversion. Are certain souls, people, born in this world to be damned into hell? As there is no chance for their soul to make it into Heaven, likewise as punishment for their parents?
     Everyone who goes to hell chooses to go their by their own will, i.e by committing sin.

    I'm 17, I've lived a deliberately pious life with no knowledge of God until I was 16. A byproduct of the world we live in, which I was born into. My family are Godless, and there are no good churches in my area nor people willing to speak the faith, nor ability to reach the ones preaching the true faith thanks to demoralization and censorship. By the grace of God I was able to convert, finding great content by Bishop Williamson, Fr. Hesse, Fr. Altenbach, Fulton Sheen, and more I discover as time goes on.

    This question may seem ridiculous considering my own circuмstances and my own conversation of faith. However, I'll lay down the groundwork for why I think this is the case.

    A few months back, I met a young girl after she made herself known to me. Things were fine, then not. I spare the details but she was clearly demonic as I see it now. The Commandments were broken. I had enough of it and told her God Bless you. Then her brother reached out so I told him about all of the things she had done. Including things she told me, which was not all of it, I know.
    It is rash to call someone demonic because natural law (10 commandments) were broken.

    Her mother is a pagan, was never married to her father, her grandparents are horrible, and her great-grandparents are Lutheran, which is the only way she has been to Church. Her great grandfather gifted her a "playgirl" magazine and betty boop memorabilia.

    This girl does not have a good home life. She lives in an apartment in a city, unmarried deceased father, sad older brother who is a "rapper". Her mother is an adulterous woman who speaks about it closely with her daughter. Only has children who are half siblings, etcétéra.

    So I wonder, if because of all of this, especially so early on in her life, she's incapable of converting. If she was born without a spirit as animals are, designed and able to function as a human being but with no capability to convert.
    All humans have rational souls not animal souls. She can convert with God's grace though it doesn't mean that SHE WILL convert.

    With so many young people in 2026 living a similar life I wonder how many souls were put here without the capability to understand as it would be unfair to them to have a conscience worthy of God, thanks to the atrocities they come from and were been born into.
     This is contrary to faith, every person is descended from Adam and has a rational soul.

    Therefore this is a conclusion I've come to, I would love to read theological evidence for or against this reason.




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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • So I wonder, if because of all of this, especially so early on in her life, she's incapable of converting. If she was born without a spirit as animals are, designed and able to function as a human being but with no capability to convert.

    With so many young people in 2026 living a similar life I wonder how many souls were put here without the capability to understand as it would be unfair to them to have a conscience worthy of God, thanks to the atrocities they come from and were been born into.

    Therefore this is a conclusion I've come to, I would love to read theological evidence for or against this reason.

    So, this attitude doesn't even remotely resemble Cathoicism.  No one is "born without a spirit as animals are".  That's pretty much ... heretical.

    At most you can say is that she's been thoroughly corrupted due to her family situation, but no one is beyond God's grace.

    Nevertheless, we cannot know why God allows some to be born into families like that and others to be born into good families.  Perhaps it's with a view to her ultimate conversion, or perhaps it's just to minimize the eternal punishment she might receive due to these mitigating circuмstances, whereas had she been born into a good family and become just as bad if not worse, then her fate may have been much worse.  But you don't know.

    Now, this does not require that you "date" her, and ... not sure what business you had dating such a one in the first place, but you also don't declare her to be non-human, incapable of conversion, and destined for Hell.  (No one is predestined for Hell.)  Nor are you in a position to eve know who will end up there and who won't.

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    Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
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  • Every man is given sufficient grace to save his soul.  I have read some of the Fathers who say that the antichrist, when he comes, will be given actual graces, which he will of course reject. One of the theologians said that the antichrist will even have a guardian angel who will try and help him to save his soul, but to no avail.

    Fr. Wathen told us, "God sends no man to hell, a man sends himself to hell."  It is a mystery why some infants die without baptism, but let us face the fact, had they gone on to lead adult lives they would have had a deeper place in hell more than likely. 
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