In a sane world this man would be Pope. :pray:The same thought crossed my mind. It reads like it were coming from a Pope, not just an archbishop.
With God all things are possible. Perhaps if enough of us start praying now for the outcome of the next conclave, and sincerely persevere until then, the archbishop may be elected.The Triumph of Mary's Immaculate Heart and a Holy Pope for our next 54-day rosary novena, anyone?
I don't remember that the laity ever petitioned the Holy Ghost for the Pope's successor before a Pope was on his deathbed, but influencing elections seems to be acceptable these days, and this next election could determine the salvation of millions of souls.
The same thought crossed my mind. It reads like it were coming from a Pope, not just an archbishop.
I think that if +Vigano declared the See vacant, the entire Catholic world could rally around this man and elect him the true Catholic pope.I'd be right there with them, if that were to occur. He providentially almost serves as an "anti-antipope" for many "conservatives" and Trads alike. And he was ordained, but not consecrated, in the traditional rite in March 1968 (just months shy of Paul VI's new rite) so he's undoubtedly a priest too (unlike Bergie).
I'd be right there with them, if that were to occur. He providentially almost serves as an "anti-antipope" for many "conservatives" and Trads alike. And he was ordained, but not consecrated, in the traditional rite in March 1968 (just months shy of Paul VI's new rite) so he's undoubtedly a priest too (unlike Bergie).
Maybe a true Pope in potentia for when Our Lady's Immaculate Heart triumphs? Prophecies did say that the true Pope would be very old and in exile. So, maybe Vigano somehow becomes Pope in the near(?) future? God only knows.
Edit: I'm seriously considering the imminent Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart and a Holy Pope as my next 54-day novena.
I'd be right there with them, if that were to occur.
So would every Catholic who still has the faith. Here's the thing about the whole controversy over papa haereticus depositus vs. papa haereticus deponendus, even in the latter case, SOMEone has to be the first to make the assertion before the Universal Church wold concur. There has to be an individual denunciation before there can be a universal one.Time, and prayers, will tell, I suppose. God-willing.
Time, and prayers, will tell, I suppose. God-willing.One more thought: perhaps, +Vigano is St. Malachy's Peter the Roman? He is Italian, after all... and St. Malachy's purported papal predictions could just be outlining the Popes until the end of the 5th age of the Church, not all-time.
"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham."
[Matthew 3:9]
Absolute garbage.Given that rorate caeli is aligned with the literal Judas Iscariots of trad orders (FSSP) I would take the opinion as someone on the other side (the ultra-loyalist to NO hierarchs) of trad world. And I would imagine given his rejection of VII, +Vigano is no friend of them.
Clearly Archbishop Vigano is NOW a Traditionalist. You only have to read what he writes. So no one who hasn't been a Traditional Catholic his entire life can be considered a "Traditionalist"? Many of us grew up NO. So, after we converted to Tradition, we were not "true" Traditionalists? You have to be a cradle Traditionalist to be a Traditionalist?
I speculated early on, and this was confirmed by +Vigano himself later, that he converted and came around after he started offering the Tridentine Mass. He went into hiding and took advantage of the Motu to begin offering the Mass, and exposure to the True Catholic Mass is the greatest teacher.
This clown can go buzz off. Tradition is not in need of his idiotic blogging.
Having good priests, individual, families, while all important, does not suffice. Without Catholic leadership, it's just fragmented life-support mode that the Church remains in. Bishop Williamson refers to it, quite aptly, as a "pilot light".
Who is this jackass blogging this? Link doesn't work for me.
Given that rorate caeli is aligned with the literal Judas Iscariots of trad orders (FSSP) I would take the opinion as someone on the other side (the ultra-loyalist to NO hierarchs) of trad world. And I would imagine given his rejection of VII, +Vigano is no friend of them.
Link: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/03/carlo-maria-vigano-is-not-traditionalist.html?m=1
(https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/03/carlo-maria-vigano-is-not-traditionalist.html?m=1)
Here is the text from Rorate Caeli before "New Catholic" realizes he tipped his hand too much.
Hmmm, Tradition is in great need of more than blogs which made a specialty of hand-wringing.
"Carlo Maria Viganò is Not a Traditionalist (https://us15.proxysite.com/process.php?d=knxQyPCuqWdb5CJEQgFUXNbn%2F1QGsQjnhGpO6Q12PLKduU5zPtREE3CGdQXH%2F2s3%2F3ELzS8zyuaxEkbnbcCe7iqWN3UtWJeNWUWo6r66rTERQDo%3D&b=1)He was never a Traditionalist. He was never known to have any particular feelings for the Traditional Mass and Liturgy before he retired as Nuncio. He was never known for any specific pronouncements favoring Tradition during his long career in the diplomatic service of the Holy See.He made a good contribution on the McCarrick affair, but decidedly after he had left his position as Nuncio to the United States.We do not know what he represents, who he speaks for, who writes his works, and what he intends to accomplish. We do not know why Rome has let him say whatever he wants, if he still (apparently) receives a Vatican pension, which he does not need, coming, as he does, from a very wealthy Northern Italian family: it looks weird both for Rome and for him. We would not say he is a conspiracy theorist: there doesn't seem to be a theory anywhere there.Tradition is in need of good families, good bishops, holy priests; holy young men and women, in families, seminaries, and religious life; Tradition is in great need of constancy, predictability, and stability. It is not in need of gurus."
By New Catholic at 3/08/2022 12:44:00 PM (https://us15.proxysite.com/process.php?d=knxQyPCuqWdb5CJEQgFUXNbn%2F1QGsQjnhGpO6Q12PLKduU5zPtREE3CGdQXH%2F2s3%2F3ELzS8zyuaxEkbnbcCe7iqWN3UtWJeNWUWo6r66rTERQDo%3D&b=1)
Zionist FSSP "trad" Steve Bannon had a segment with Liz Yore about this Vigano letter.The many different reactions to +Vigano's e-sermons really prefigure what will happen when Our Lord grants the world a holy Pope.
He actually seemed upset and said "C'mon, this isn't the sermon on the mount or anything. Russia is absolutely the aggressor here". He didn't like it at all.
The many different reactions to +Vigano's e-sermons really prefigure what will happen when Our Lord grants the world a holy Pope.That is the one magnificent thing to see of the true Popes of the past: the world would stop and take heed of what he had to say, despite whether they are Catholic or not. You don't have that with Francis, outside of his promotion of the Agenda.
a) the novus ordo libs will hate his orthodoxy,
b) the zionist novus ordo politicians will scream in agony that he should stay out of politics,
c) the liberal pagans/protestants will despair that a Catholic leader has emerged again,
d) the goodwilled protestants will stop and listen closely and admire his wisdom and truth,
e) the goodwilled pagans will see his goodness and begin to question all the lies they've heard of the Catholic Faith,
f) Trads will rejoice!
Ahhh, I can't wait for this day! :pray::pray::pray:
The many different reactions to +Vigano's e-sermons really prefigure what will happen when Our Lord grants the world a holy Pope.
a) the novus ordo libs will hate his orthodoxy,
b) the zionist novus ordo politicians will scream in agony that he should stay out of politics,
c) the liberal pagans/protestants will despair that a Catholic leader has emerged again,
d) the goodwilled protestants will stop and listen closely and admire his wisdom and truth,
e) the goodwilled pagans will see his goodness and begin to question all the lies they've heard of the Catholic Faith,
f) Trads will rejoice!
Ahhh, I can't wait for this day! :pray::pray::pray:
Zionist FSSP "trad" Steve Bannon had a segment with Liz Yore about this Vigano letter.
He actually seemed upset and said "C'mon, this isn't the sermon on the mount or anything. Russia is absolutely the aggressor here". He didn't like it at all.
The many different reactions to +Vigano's e-sermons really prefigure what will happen when Our Lord grants the world a holy Pope.
a) the novus ordo libs will hate his orthodoxy,
b) the zionist novus ordo politicians will scream in agony that he should stay out of politics,
c) the liberal pagans/protestants will despair that a Catholic leader has emerged again,
d) the goodwilled protestants will stop and listen closely and admire his wisdom and truth,
e) the goodwilled pagans will see his goodness and begin to question all the lies they've heard of the Catholic Faith,
f) Trads will rejoice!
Ahhh, I can't wait for this day! :pray::pray::pray:
I actually believe that by the time we have a Holy Pope, it'll coincide with the major chastisement and a conversion of the world, possibly including a 3 Days' darkness, where a lot of those who despise the Church will be eliminated.Agree, iirc prophecies of the GM and Holy Pope coincide with the 3 days, after which they work to restore Christendom and the Church among the remnant.
A Chastisement is literally the only way out of this mess at this point. The rot is too deeply ingrained.
I actually believe that by the time we have a Holy Pope, it'll coincide with the major chastisement and a conversion of the world, possibly including a 3 Days' darkness, where a lot of those who despise the Church will be eliminated.There are multiple prophecies (like St John Bosco's vision of the ships on the stormy sea) which predict 1 or 2 orthodox popes (one of whom is martyred) who rule the Church during the chaotic times of social upheaval before the "Angelic Pope" is elected. Both of these popes are good men but their reign is VERY short, even less than a year. As soon as they are recognized as being orthodox, they and the Church are persecuted. But the Church survives this onslaught until the Angelic Pope's time arrives.
Agree, iirc prophecies of the GM and Holy Pope coincide with the 3 days, after which they work to restore Christendom and the Church among the remnant.The prophecies consistently say that both arrive before the 3 days of Darkness. The chastisement I think happens before the 3 Days - the spiritual part being the last 70 years of V2, the social part being the political/religious persecution to come, and the natural part being the scripturally foretold of natural disasters, famines, etc. The 3 Days happens once the good guys are already battling the bad guys out in the open; the 3 Days of Darkness is a good thing, in that it is God's judgement upon the wicked. It is the end of the evil of the 5th age, and the beginning of the period of peace of the 6th age. It is God "rebooting" society, so to speak.
A Chastisement is literally the only way out of this mess at this point. The rot is too deeply ingrained.
The good news is, even if many of us don't live beyond the 3 Days of Darkness, we may see the hopeful (yet chaotic) times where we have an orthodox pope and a true 'white hat' leader in a future king.My worldly goals are to see the conversion of my wife, and living to see the rise of the Great Monarch and Holy Pope. Outside of that, may God take me when He wills.
Absolute garbage.From what I've seen on Twitter, the main problem that people like rorate have with +Vigano is that he only writes but he doesn't ordain priests or open seminaries.
Clearly Archbishop Vigano is NOW a Traditionalist. You only have to read what he writes. So no one who hasn't been a Traditional Catholic his entire life can be considered a "Traditionalist"? Many of us grew up NO. So, after we converted to Tradition, we were not "true" Traditionalists? You have to be a cradle Traditionalist to be a Traditionalist?
I speculated early on, and this was confirmed by +Vigano himself later, that he converted and came around after he started offering the Tridentine Mass. He went into hiding and took advantage of the Motu to begin offering the Mass, and exposure to the True Catholic Mass is the greatest teacher.
This clown can go buzz off. Tradition is not in need of his idiotic blogging.
Having good priests, individual, families, while all important, does not suffice. Without Catholic leadership, it's just fragmented life-support mode that the Church remains in. Bishop Williamson refers to it, quite aptly, as a "pilot light".
Who is this jackass blogging this? Link doesn't work for me.
From what I've seen on Twitter, the main problem that people like rorate have with +Vigano is that he only writes but he doesn't ordain priests or open seminaries.