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Author Topic: Appropriate responses to learning that someone has died  (Read 1307 times)

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Re: Appropriate responses to learning that someone has died
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2022, 05:55:14 AM »
Anyone who judges someone after they have passed, remember....."One day you too will die."


It is upon a man once to die. Then the judgement.

We will be accountable for every thought, word and deed.

Choose your words carefully.

"It is a fearful and terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God [incurring His judgment and wrath]."

- Hebrews 10:31

Re: Appropriate responses to learning that someone has died
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2022, 09:21:12 AM »
I presume that you mean when a Catholic has passed away.

For a Catholic, I offer prayers for the soul of the departed, as well as for the family who have been left behind.

For a non-Catholic, I will say that I am sorry for their loss and offer prayers for the family left behind, but not for the repose of the individual's soul.

While it is possible that some soul may have received the grace of an unknown deathbed conversion, to offer prayers for the repose of that soul could create the scandal of promoting the notion that there can be salvation outside the Church.  Privately, I may offer some prayers that the person should be converted in the past, since it's certain that God is not bound by time and could indeed hear prayers from (what to us is) the "future" if He willed to.  Classic example is how Our Blessed Mother was redeemed by Our Lord "prior" in time to Our Lord's Passion.

It's a little more tricky with ѕυιcιdєs and public sinners who had been Catholics, to balance offering sympathy, not absolutely assuming that the individual has been lost, since if God saved them somehow, they could certainly use the prayers, without at the same time implying that there's "good hope" for the salvation of ѕυιcιdєs and (seemingly) unreprentant public sinners.  I've mentioned the story of serving funerals (when I was between 10-14) at the Novus Ordo.  I was actually their go-to server at the parish school, so I was regularly pulled out of class to serve funerals that took place during the weekdays.  In any case, there were occasionally funerals for ѕυιcιdєs, and the priest generally gave a sermon along the lines of how the person is in a better place now and relieved of the suffering that was so unbearable as to result in the ѕυιcιdє.  If I didn't know any better, and had I some day encountered such a situation of extreme distress, that sermon would have been almost an encouragement to commit ѕυιcιdє, to escape the suffering and go to that "better place".
I don't agree on the whole Feeneyism bit (not using as a slur, just a description since that's generally what its called) but yeah, assuming you're right on how EENS works, I get why it would be pretty irresponsible to offer prayers for the soul of the departed non Catholic.  But even then, you say you're sorry for the loss, you offer prayers for the family of the dead, you don't show up at the wake and start telling everyone the person died as a non Catholic so they're damned.  If you're asked, you can say that you believe all that die as non Catholics are lost and that you hope somehow they converted on their deathbed but you can't count on it.  

I really don't know how to put what AugustineEENS did in a charitable light.  Honestly it seems at least materially schismatic, even if somewhat excused due to the crisis in the church, if you're at the point where you think every single cleric is a formal heretic (which is how Dimondism works).  But then ON TOP OF THAT adding the Pharisaical attitude.... I don't know man.  Even if its possible his heart was in the right place (and I'm going to be honest, I find that hard to believe, but I get the idea) I think objectively this sorta thing is toxic and needs to be shut down.