I almost dropped out. With less than a year left, I stopped going to college, though I eventually finished by taking classes at my local community college and I got my degree.
Why did you almost drop out?
I'm in a novus ordo one and im seriously considering dropping out and doing something else. My family has a farm but it's not really "producing" anything. There is a lot of space and I just wish there was something I could grow or whatever that would pay a lot.
Has anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?
I did. Dropped out to come to the US in my last quarter. Here finally finished, got a bachelor degree but never got into the workforce.
All of those college years...Big waste of time and money for me! Going to college has been the worse mistake I ever made. Now I have almost 100000 in student loans.
If I could go back in time, I had dropped out of college day 1. Even better, never have enrolled in one. :sad:
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I'm in a novus ordo one and im seriously considering dropping out and doing something else. My family has a farm but it's not really "producing" anything. There is a lot of space and I just wish there was something I could grow or whatever that would pay a lot.
Isn't there? Have you given it a shot and looked into any local opportunities where you could sell to a local market or restaurant?
Mushrooms, flowers for the florist, bamboo, ginseng, garlic..?
I mean bamboo.. it grows like crazy. . I'm surprised it's considered 'profitable' to grow. Garlic, who doesn't like garlic?
Some folks sell herbs on the 'net.
Aren't there some possibilities? I don't know about the business myself but these are some of the suggestions that articles are written about at least when one looks. Searching "Most profitable plants to grow" brings up this sort of thing? I'm not offering advice, forgive me if it sounds like it, I have no experience -- I'm just asking since you have family involvement? Why not?
With family in the business and enough land for it isn't that a leg up?
You have to be self motivated of course. But working hard for oneself is a rewarding feeling.
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I'm in a novus ordo one and im seriously considering dropping out and doing something else. My family has a farm but it's not really "producing" anything. There is a lot of space and I just wish there was something I could grow or whatever that would pay a lot.
Isn't there? Have you given it a shot and looked into any local opportunities where you could sell to a local market or restaurant?
Mushrooms, flowers for the florist, bamboo, ginseng, garlic..?
I mean bamboo.. it grows like crazy. . I'm surprised it's considered 'profitable' to grow. Garlic, who doesn't like garlic?
Some folks sell herbs on the 'net.
Aren't there some possibilities? I don't know about the business myself but these are some of the suggestions that articles are written about at least when one looks. Searching "Most profitable plants to grow" brings up this sort of thing? I'm not offering advice, forgive me if it sounds like it, I have no experience -- I'm just asking since you have family involvement? Why not?
With family in the business and enough land for it isn't that a leg up?
You have to be self motivated of course. But working hard for oneself is a rewarding feeling.
It might help him to grow up and be a man.
Having read all of your post on book burning, it seems to me that you are quite immature with little respect for your parents. Getting out and working the land just might help you mature. At 24 you should be at least self-supporting.
I see all of these trads going for English or History degrees and I just shake my head....good luck getting a job. Or getting all of the damn liberal programming out. Sure, I'd love to do nothing but read history books and write philosophy papers but guess what? No one pays you to do that in RL.
My advice for you, Boloki, would be to have recourse to prayer and penance before making such a momentous decision. It is not impossible to get through college without being brainwashed by the liberal machinery.
That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.
If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.
But here, it's a whole different matter.
But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.
Quote from: HobbledehoyMy advice for you, Boloki, would be to have recourse to prayer and penance before making such a momentous decision. It is not impossible to get through college without being brainwashed by the liberal machinery.
This has never been the case, me being brainwashed by them; what has been the problem is just being there and taking those courses; i get really angry because 99% of them are heretical, immoral, they have evolution etc. and i just don't like the idea of paying and getting in debt for all that garbage.
It's an occasion of sin too of course, just being in that environment.
Has anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?
Quote from: NadirHaving read all of your post on book burning, it seems to me that you are quite immature with little respect for your parents. Getting out and working the land just might help you mature. At 24 you should be at least self-supporting.
Saints have done similar things, as was shown on the thread. You can decide for yourself.
But i already admitted what i did was wrong and not the way to go about it.
That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.
If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.
But here, it's a whole different matter.
But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.
What Latin American country do you live in? People here might be able to better direct you towards a traditional community, or know if your climate would be suitable for growing things on, or maybe for development (building another house, or even a trad parish that's independent of Rome — Lord knows everywhere could use more of those!)
ITA w/ Hobbledehoy: what are your career interests, or what are you particularly good at doing (skills) or most enjoy doing?
Regardless, I think you can drop any classes you don't like (you're PAYING for them one way or the other, even if with your time, so don't fund terrible classes); and pick up some more maths, higher-level chemistry and physics can't hurt, languages, music.
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That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.
If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.
But here, it's a whole different matter.
This I already knew. Having things easy is not going to help to make a man of you, actually the reverse.
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But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.
I am not in the U.S., btw.
No time like the present to make the change. In fact, the present is all you've got. Repentence is a perfect start and Hobble's always good word about penance and prayer. It's hard to set a new pattern, but at 24 it's easier than 25. The longer you go in your present pattern the more set it becomes. Set a worthwhile goal and work towards it.
What do you contribute to the upkeep of your family home?
Quote from: BolokiHas anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?
Aren't you in your final semester or something like that? You're just looking for another excuse to run away from the real world where people work--suppose a moral dilemma and fantasize taking the high ground and position yourself to spend several more years in mammy & daddy's basement although you apparently borderline hate them. And the part about working your family's land--even though you're trying to shed your training wheels and get away from them you hate them so much? I'm sure you'd imagine a zillion wild excuses for failure to keep suckling the teat. Wow--grow up.
And if you detest the NO so much, what are you doing in one of their universities in the first place? I'm not buying that you've been there 7 of 8 semesters and are now considering dropping out for any reason other than to sleep 16+ hours per day in your parents' basement.
I can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....
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That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.
If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.
But here, it's a whole different matter.
This I already knew. Having things easy is not going to help to make a man of you, actually the reverse.
I didn't mean it that way; I just said that so people here don't think i'm just some kind of slacker who could do things easily but am negligent in doing so or something like that.
Boloki saidQuoteI can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....
You can't contribute anything at all???
Do you clean up your own messes? Do any of the garden? Prune trees? Chop wood? Paint? Clean? Babysit? Feed the poor? Visit an ailing neighbour?
Come on, put your thinking cap on :idea:
Then, if you give up college, you'll have more free time on your hands!
did you ever finish anything and say with satisfaction "I did that!"
You have too much time on your hands and you spend it on thinking about how bad your family is! Are you inspiring them with your behaviour?
Boloki saidQuoteI can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....
You can't contribute anything at all???
Do you clean up your own messes? Do any of the garden? Prune trees? Chop wood? Paint? Clean? Babysit? Feed the poor? Visit an ailing neighbour?
Come on, put your thinking cap on :idea:
Then, if you give up college, you'll have more free time on your hands! I'm not saying you shouldn't give up college, but did you ever finish anything and say with satisfaction "I did that!"
You have too much time on your hands and you spend it on thinking about how bad your family is! Are you inspiring them with your behaviour?
OBVIOUSLY...i mean...COME ON.
I was only referring to the FINANCIAL side of things.
If you don't get righteously angry with certain things, you have a problem.
And i have long stopped telling them anything about religion because it is useless.
They ask me things like, "why don't you go and socialize with anyone? Why don't you speak to anyone? Why are you so quiet? Why don't you SMILE at life?" even thoug i have told them a gazillion times that we have to avoid bad company, bad "friends", heretics, ocassions of sin etc.
You seem to forget, whatever your real name is, that salvation is the single most important thing for us humans and i will be doing them no good at all by being silent and appearing to "be ok" with them and by giving them false impressions which will only reassure them more in their ways.
Being "politically correct" with them and making it seem like it's all fine and dandy is nothing but pure indifferentism and a completely false "charity".
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OBVIOUSLY...i mean...COME ON.
I was only referring to the FINANCIAL side of things.
I wonder why? I never mentioned FINANCES. I asked "What do you contribute to the upkeep of your family home?" There's much more to the upkeep of a family home than money, but obviously money is very important to you, to the detriment of other important issues.
I was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
Quote from: BolokiIf you don't get righteously angry with certain things, you have a problem.
And i have long stopped telling them anything about religion because it is useless.
I wasn't sure if you were referring to me in relation to the comment on righteous anger. I think there's more to your anger than righteousness, but you will work that out over time and spiriutal direction.
It is better to say nothing about your new-found religion. If it is genuine they will notice the improvement in you, and ask you the pertinent.
Quote from: BolokiThey ask me things like, "why don't you go and socialize with anyone? Why don't you speak to anyone? Why are you so quiet? Why don't you SMILE at life?" even thoug i have told them a gazillion times that we have to avoid bad company, bad "friends", heretics, ocassions of sin etc.
It sounds like you are being a bit of a misery around the house. Maybe you should lighten up a bit. More prayers and penance. Offer up your alenation for the conversion of your family and attempt to make somebody else happy.
Quote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: BolokiQuote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
So your contribution consists solely of turning off the lights and taking cold showers? Nice. At age 24, how can you look at yourself in the mirror when you get up every afternoon? Seems like the life of privilege that your parents have provided you has created a grown lazy brat.
What skills or what means of SELF-sufficient support have you learned in your 24 years on this earth? What has even been your goal in your studies? What have you ever envisioned yourself realistically doing to make a living and your own way in life?
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Most people who don't NEED to grow up, don't. I include myself. If I'd been given the same situation, I'd have gladly forced myself out of bed at 2:00pm. The day will come when this man's circuмstances will change. No more parents, fancy home, two maids and whatever other servants about. Until then, let him be. Just pray he doesn't die in that state.
The only safe degrees to go into (relatively speaking) are STEM.
I see all of these trads going for English or History degrees and I just shake my head....good luck getting a job. Or getting all of the damn liberal programming out. Sure, I'd love to do nothing but read history books and write philosophy papers but guess what? No one pays you to do that in RL.
Quote from: bg2The only safe degrees to go into (relatively speaking) are STEM.
I see all of these trads going for English or History degrees and I just shake my head....good luck getting a job. Or getting all of the damn liberal programming out. Sure, I'd love to do nothing but read history books and write philosophy papers but guess what? No one pays you to do that in RL.
I've noticed this too: a lot of maligning college educations when they study nonsense humanities.
I did an engineering courseload. If you're going for a humanities degree, don't.
No one brainwashed me in discrete math or linear algebra or thermodynamicas of chemical processes.
And I was able to get a job.
I don't care about thumbs down, so I'll just say it: most of them got what they deserved. I mean, history? Literature? Philopsophy? Sociology?? At a university?? Just read books on your own for that stuff and save the money. Sheesh.
Things are hard around here - we have two maids. Only two?
Guess what, bud? You're not St Anthony Mary Claret.
Speaking of saints St. Aloysius Gonzaga renounced his inheritance and left home at 17. I believe his situation was even worse than yours. You could still leave home and get away from those horrible people.
In this case I agree with Matthew. At 24, you need to get out,
learn to make your own bed, pick up after yourself, cook a meal, handle an axe and a saw, mend a broken chair, sew on a button, help out in a soup kitchen, even eat at one, feed a handicapped person. These are some of the things I was thinking of, when you understood FINANCES. These are things money can't buy. Your whole life would change for the better
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Most people who don't NEED to grow up, don't. I include myself. If I'd been given the same situation, I'd have gladly forced myself out of bed at 2:00pm. The day will come when this man's circuмstances will change. No more parents, fancy home, two maids and whatever other servants about. Until then, let him be. Just pray he doesn't die in that state.
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Most people who don't NEED to grow up, don't. I include myself. If I'd been given the same situation, I'd have gladly forced myself out of bed at 2:00pm. The day will come when this man's circuмstances will change. No more parents, fancy home, two maids and whatever other servants about. Until then, let him be. Just pray he doesn't die in that state.
Surely he stands a good chance of inheriting what sounds like large amount of wealth and property. Enough to be comfortable for life. Why would his circuмstances change?
Quote from: bg2The only safe degrees to go into (relatively speaking) are STEM.
I see all of these trads going for English or History degrees and I just shake my head....good luck getting a job. Or getting all of the damn liberal programming out. Sure, I'd love to do nothing but read history books and write philosophy papers but guess what? No one pays you to do that in RL.
I've noticed this too: a lot of maligning college educations when they study nonsense humanities.
I did an engineering courseload. If you're going for a humanities degree, don't.
No one brainwashed me in discrete math or linear algebra or thermodynamicas of chemical processes.
And I was able to get a job.
I don't care about thumbs down, so I'll just say it: most of them got what they deserved. I mean, history? Literature? Philopsophy? Sociology?? At a university?? Just read books on your own for that stuff and save the money. Sheesh.
Quote from: PereJoseph hadHobbledehoy said that he also regrets getting a degree in English literature because it only makes him employable as a manual labourer (or so I gather from his posting history).
Actually, it is not the degree itself but the politics that are inexorably concomitant with modern academia. In order for my baccalaureate to have been fruitful, I would have had to make "connections" and "fit in" into the politically charged world of academicians who have bastardized the once glorious liberal arts. Being in graduate school with present day English major in most universities is a prelude to hell, and this is far from an understatement.
There is something all must bear in mind when discussing the subject of college education: it is not so much what you learn but who you know that decides what sort of fruit you shall reap from your labors.
There is a distinction that should be borne in mind between the cultivation of the intellect and enrichment of the heart (the liberal arts of which PereJoseph speaks) and the training for an actual, practical trade that translates into a job that will guarantee some sort of living wage and the possibility of establishing a household. Rarely can these two things be united, but it is always best to provide both anyways.
Having your children learn to read and write at college level, mastering Classical and modern language, learning an art, can be done at home if one has enough dedication and the appropriate resources. Even if they do not have a degree that says they have such knowledge, if they end up working a craft or trade these skills will help them considerably in an increasingly competing job market (writing well-crafted letters, communicating efficiently, &c.) and help them to distinguish themselves from the rest. I know some guys who do fit such a description and have stable job and raising promising families. They do not have degrees but they have the quality of life (and this cannot be measured in material, quantitative standards) that others had with a University liberal arts degree in better days.
There is a quote in the film (which I cannot in good conscience recommend for anyone to watch) Good Will Hunting (1997) that again and again comes to my mind and has proven to be true for most University liberal arts graduates:QuoteSee, the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that [note: referring to the fact that some pompous "bohemian" University student quotes authors' ideas as if they were his own]. And Two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a [expletive] education you could've got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library.
Quote from: BolokiQuote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
So your contribution consists solely of turning off the lights and taking cold showers?
Quote from: OHCAQuote from: BolokiQuote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
So your contribution consists solely of turning off the lights and taking cold showers?
:roll-laugh2: Best. Thread. Ever. Seriously, I'm saving it for any point in the future when I might feel a little down, and need a pick-me-up.
Thank you; thank you all! :laugh1: MOAR! MOAR please!
Quote from: StCeciliasGirlQuote from: OHCAQuote from: BolokiQuote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
So your contribution consists solely of turning off the lights and taking cold showers?
:roll-laugh2: Best. Thread. Ever. Seriously, I'm saving it for any point in the future when I might feel a little down, and need a pick-me-up.
Thank you; thank you all! :laugh1: MOAR! MOAR please!
Happy to have made your day, Girl :nunchaku:
Having read all of your post on book burning, it seems to me that you are quite immature with little respect for your parents. Getting out and working the land just might help you mature. At 24 you should be at least self-supporting.
Quote from: HobbledehoyMy advice for you, Boloki, would be to have recourse to prayer and penance before making such a momentous decision. It is not impossible to get through college without being brainwashed by the liberal machinery.
This has never been the case, me being brainwashed by them; what has been the problem is just being there and taking those courses; i get really angry because 99% of them are heretical, immoral, they have evolution etc. and i just don't like the idea of paying and getting in debt for all that garbage.
It's an occasion of sin too of course, just being in that environment.
I suggest you speak with a Priest whom you trust.
After prayer and meditation, consider other possibilities, such as technical/vocational schools geared toward getting a license that will get you job as a skilled worker.
Remember, though, you will encounter sin and occasions thereof wheresoever you go. If you think quitting college will save you from having to deal with liberals, marxists, feminists, deviants and other wackos, you are mistaken.
The best thing to do is to arm yourself with prayer, mental prayer/meditation, penance, mortification (both exterior and interior) spiritual reading, and detachment from self and other created things together with filial self-abandonment to the designs of Divine Providence.
Quote from: BolokiHas anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?Aren't you in your final semester or something like that? You're just looking for another excuse to run away from the real world where people work--suppose a moral dilemma and fantasize taking the high ground and position yourself to spend several more years in mammy & daddy's basement although you apparently borderline hate them. And the part about working your family's land--even though you're trying to shed your training wheels and get away from them you hate them so much? I'm sure you'd imagine a zillion wild excuses for failure to keep suckling the teat. Wow--grow up.
And if you detest the NO so much, what are you doing in one of their universities in the first place? I'm not buying that you've been there 7 of 8 semesters and are now considering dropping out for any reason other than to sleep 16+ hours per day in your parents' basement.
Quote from: NadirQuote from: StCeciliasGirlQuote from: OHCAQuote from: BolokiQuote from: NadirI was actually referring to work around the home. Do you do any?
We have two maids pal, which is why i said you have no idea what you're talking about.
So your contribution consists solely of turning off the lights and taking cold showers?
:roll-laugh2: Best. Thread. Ever. Seriously, I'm saving it for any point in the future when I might feel a little down, and need a pick-me-up.
Thank you; thank you all! :laugh1: MOAR! MOAR please!
Happy to have made your day, Girl :nunchaku:
I hope you two idiots feel smarter and better than someone after piling on this person.
If you are thinking of dropping out, don't do it!
It's too hard to return to school
Quote from: OHCAQuote from: BolokiHas anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?Aren't you in your final semester or something like that? You're just looking for another excuse to run away from the real world where people work--suppose a moral dilemma and fantasize taking the high ground and position yourself to spend several more years in mammy & daddy's basement although you apparently borderline hate them. And the part about working your family's land--even though you're trying to shed your training wheels and get away from them you hate them so much? I'm sure you'd imagine a zillion wild excuses for failure to keep suckling the teat. Wow--grow up.
And if you detest the NO so much, what are you doing in one of their universities in the first place? I'm not buying that you've been there 7 of 8 semesters and are now considering dropping out for any reason other than to sleep 16+ hours per day in your parents' basement.
OHCA, this ridiculous post of yours constitutes calumny or at least rash judgment. Shame on you.
Tomorrow I will have a showdown with the biology professor. I already prepared all that i will take.
Let it rip!