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Offline Hobbledehoy

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Anyone ever drop out of college?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 09:03:29 PM »
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  • For those who would gain any benefit (or a chuckle) from this, here follows a questionnaire I recently filled regarding careers. Note: this questionnaire had to be filled in the context of a secularist platform and it necessarily entailed a brutal sort of honesty.

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    Tell us about your chosen career path. Where do you work? Would you consider this your dream job? Why?

    I do not think the conglomerate of duties that enable me to survive can be considered as a “career.” I work as a journeyman in various construction sites. This is hardly my “dream job.” Those years wherein I had endeavored to attain to a baccalaureate in literary studies have come to naught. Worse still, they are now a distant memory to which I feel an invincible indifference.

    How did you get to where you are now? What mistakes have you made? What would you do differently if you could go back?

    The reason why my baccalaureate is little more than a piece of paper is because I refused to negotiate with the practicalities and logistics of real life. I became a demiurge of an ideal world wherein I inhabited amidst books and icons. Apparently, I had mistook this realm for the real world. Had I the opportunity to go back, I would have listened and put into practice a commencement speech delivered by David Foster Wallace wherein the now famous saying “This is water” is cited. I should have planned more carefully and assiduously, and should have been prudent and provident enough to make proper associations and fiduciary relationships that would have led to career opportunities.

    What is the best thing about your job? What is the worst?

    The best thing about my job is that it has definitely evicted me from the literary microcosm that I had fabricated and ornamented with such care throughout my years in academia. It has compelled me to be more connected to people and to learn about the vast and subtle differences that exist in the stratified socioeconomic construct that now exists in the American Republic.

    What would you like to achieve in 10 years? Have your goals changed since the beginning of your career?

    I must be honest. This question nauseates and terrifies me. In ten years I would not like to be around. My youthful idealism has been so crushed that I have arrived at the point wherein that for which I yearn is survival and some degree of contentment. If I am still around, I would like to conquer the practical nihilism that presently entraps me. I would like to have mastered Latin, learned German, to have fallen in love, &c. Essentially, my goal is to be functional and useful: if not for myself, then for others: and this is the most saddening aspect of my ridiculous predicament.

    If someone with your personality type was just about to start looking for their first job, what advice would you give them?

    I would advise such a person to strive for a balance between ideals and realities; to be more open-minded and affable; to build authentic and lasting connections both personally and professionally; to negotiate with the real world, but not become merchandise in the process; to strive for self-knowledge and build goals based thereupon.

    Looking back at your career, what do you regret most? What makes you feel happy?

    That which I regret most is the fact that I have been reduced to a practical nihilism. The residue of the literary microcosm of which I wrote above and the exigencies of circuмstance have made me into an abortion, one caught between two worlds: one dead and one powerless to come alive. That which makes me happy is the fact that I can delay the legitimate consequences of the aforementioned nihilism by reminding myself that I am useful and functional: at least I can readily create the illusion thereof as a construction worker.

    In your opinion, which traits of your personality help you the most? Which ones are the most problematic?

    The proclivity for emotive and cognitive excess is what both helps and hinders me the most. The same passion that may render the most daunting of academic tasks into a thing of delight and wonder is the same psychodynamic excess that can make the smallest of undesirable details of the logistics of the real world into an insurmountable bastion that paralyzes me.

    If there was one thing you could change about your personality, what would that be?

    The one thing I would change about my personality is the person whom it compasses round about: at once trapped in claustrophobic mania and yet ecstasiated in an excess of eleutheromania. I would, however, wish to be more practical and disciplined.

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    The last question could only have an adequate answer in the context of the Christian interior life: "to put off, according to former conversation, the old man, who is corrupted according to the desire of error" (Eph. iv. 22) and "put on the new man, who according to God is created in justice and holiness of truth" (ibid. 24). It is the ultimate fruit of mortification: "And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me" (Gal. ii. 20).
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 09:06:56 PM »
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    That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.

    If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.

    But here, it's a whole different matter.


    This I already knew. Having things easy is not going to help to make a man of you, actually the reverse.

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    But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.


    I am not in the U.S., btw.

    No time like the present to make the change. In fact, the present is all you've got. Repentence is a perfect start and Hobble's always good word about penance and prayer. It's hard to set a new pattern, but at 24 it's easier than 25. The longer you go in your present pattern the more set it becomes. Set a worthwhile goal and work towards it.

    What do you contribute to the upkeep of your family home?
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 09:09:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Boloki
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    My advice for you, Boloki, would be to have recourse to prayer and penance before making such a momentous decision. It is not impossible to get through college without being brainwashed by the liberal machinery.


    This has never been the case, me being brainwashed by them; what has been the problem is just being there and taking those courses; i get really angry because 99% of them are heretical, immoral, they have evolution etc. and i just don't like the idea of paying and getting in debt for all that garbage.

    It's an occasion of sin too of course, just being in that environment.


    I suggest you speak with a Priest whom you trust.

    After prayer and meditation, consider other possibilities, such as technical/vocational schools geared toward getting a license that will get you job as a skilled worker.

    Remember, though, you will encounter sin and occasions thereof wheresoever you go. If you think quitting college will save you from having to deal with liberals, marxists, feminists, deviants and other wackos, you are mistaken.

    The best thing to do is to arm yourself with prayer, mental prayer/meditation, penance, mortification (both exterior and interior) spiritual reading, and detachment from self and other created things together with filial self-abandonment to the designs of Divine Providence.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 10:06:01 PM »
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  • What Latin American country do you live in? People here might be able to better direct you towards a traditional community, or know if your climate would be suitable for growing things on, or maybe for development (building another house, or even a trad parish that's independent of Rome — Lord knows everywhere could use more of those!)

    ITA w/ Hobbledehoy: what are your career interests, or what are you particularly good at doing (skills) or most enjoy doing? Obviously you're bilingual, which is a leg-up. You might have a knack for linguistics.

    Regardless, I think you can drop any classes you don't like (you're PAYING for them one way or the other, even if with your time, so don't fund terrible classes); and pick up some more maths, higher-level chemistry and physics can't hurt, languages, music.
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    « Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 10:11:12 PM »
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    Has anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?



    Aren't you in your final semester or something like that?  You're just looking for another excuse to run away from the real world where people work--suppose a moral dilemma and fantasize taking the high ground and position yourself to spend several more years in mammy & daddy's basement although you apparently borderline hate them.  And the part about working your family's land--even though you're trying to shed your training wheels and get away from them you hate them so much?  I'm sure you'd imagine a zillion wild excuses for failure to keep suckling the teat.  Wow--grow up.

    And if you detest the NO so much, what are you doing in one of their universities in the first place?  I'm not buying that you've been there 7 of 8 semesters and are now considering dropping out for any reason other than to sleep 16+ hours per day in your parents' basement.


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    « Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 10:21:08 PM »
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    Having read all of your post on book burning, it seems to me that you are quite immature with little respect for your parents. Getting out and working the land just might help you mature. At 24 you should be at least self-supporting.


    Saints have done similar things, as was shown on the thread. You can decide for yourself.

    But i already admitted what i did was wrong and not the way to go about it.

    That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.

    If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.

    But here, it's a whole different matter.

    But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.


    You have relatively well off parents and can write near perfect English, so are bilingual at least.

    I doubt it is THAT difficult for you.  Heck, you could start by correcting the English on local businesses websites.  There is always a need for that.  Then when you have a little commercial experience and common sense you could approach American and British businesses trying to sell and get their brand established down there.  Once you build a reputation they usually pay a retainer fee and commission.  It's worth $1000 per month to a business just to have a local person sniffing around for them and making enquiries on their behalf.  They would spend $3000 per trip at least and waste two weeks every three months trying to do the same thing.

    Help them win a sale or two, ( you just find it and research it, they come down and sell it) and you might well end up with a management job paid foreign currency.  It is cheaper for them than sending down a gringo expat.

    At 24 it is easy to feel lost, but you would do well to take stock and examine the outcomes of similar people to yourself and the decisions they made.  You are now in a critical window of your life and the decisions you make will have a profound effect on how your life turns out. Be prudent, and be wise.

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    « Reply #21 on: September 20, 2013, 10:23:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    What Latin American country do you live in? People here might be able to better direct you towards a traditional community, or know if your climate would be suitable for growing things on, or maybe for development (building another house, or even a trad parish that's independent of Rome — Lord knows everywhere could use more of those!)


    He's 24 and should have been out of college 3 years ago.  The 3 years he spent laying in his parent's basement is indicative that he lacks the ambition to grow a tomato plant--let alone a crop.  And him building something????  Surely you jest.

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    ITA w/ Hobbledehoy: what are your career interests, or what are you particularly good at doing (skills) or most enjoy doing?


    Sleeping in his parents' basement & eating breakfast at 2 in the afternoon.

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    Regardless, I think you can drop any classes you don't like (you're PAYING for them one way or the other, even if with your time, so don't fund terrible classes); and pick up some more maths, higher-level chemistry and physics can't hurt, languages, music.


    Then he may actually graduate and that would make it more difficult for him to justify focusing on his strengths and interests:  Sleeping in his parents' basement & eating breakfast at 2 in the afternoon.

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    « Reply #22 on: September 21, 2013, 12:31:09 AM »
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    That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.

    If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.

    But here, it's a whole different matter.


    This I already knew. Having things easy is not going to help to make a man of you, actually the reverse.


    I didn't mean it that way; I just said that so people here don't think i'm just some kind of slacker who could do things easily but am negligent in doing so or something like that.

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    But i still blame myself for my current situation; i was a mediocre student during high school and i have been irresponsible and a procrastinator big time; all im saying is that in this country you can't get a short-term quick fix like you could in the states.


    I am not in the U.S., btw.


    And where?

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    No time like the present to make the change. In fact, the present is all you've got. Repentence is a perfect start and Hobble's always good word about penance and prayer. It's hard to set a new pattern, but at 24 it's easier than 25. The longer you go in your present pattern the more set it becomes. Set a worthwhile goal and work towards it.

    What do you contribute to the upkeep of your family home?


    Yes of course i agree with that. I believe you should first seek the Kingdom of God and then all else will fall into place.

    I can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college and there's not even the option of having a part-time job to help in some way.

    My family constantly attacks the Faith because they are liberals. They have the idea that you can't work/earn a living and be a Saint at the same time. They refuse to reason and be rational and say the most absurd and ridiculous things on a daily basis. They believe being a Saint is something no one can be and something no one is obliged to. They think it's only for "religious people" and for Priests etc., they don't have a clue about the notion of being a Saint and serving God regardless of your profession and state in life. They are just your typical brainwashed novus ordos having being raised after Vatican 2. They are just naturalists.


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    « Reply #23 on: September 21, 2013, 12:46:14 AM »
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    Has anyone here been close to graduating and dropped out or just dropped out in any case?



    Aren't you in your final semester or something like that?  You're just looking for another excuse to run away from the real world where people work--suppose a moral dilemma and fantasize taking the high ground and position yourself to spend several more years in mammy & daddy's basement although you apparently borderline hate them.  And the part about working your family's land--even though you're trying to shed your training wheels and get away from them you hate them so much?  I'm sure you'd imagine a zillion wild excuses for failure to keep suckling the teat.  Wow--grow up.

    And if you detest the NO so much, what are you doing in one of their universities in the first place?  I'm not buying that you've been there 7 of 8 semesters and are now considering dropping out for any reason other than to sleep 16+ hours per day in your parents' basement.


    You're dead wrong, and are committing the sin of rash judgment. You jump to conclusions without having any more evidence other than the little i have posted here.

    The university i am going to just turned secular this semester, it was novus ordo the previous one, but the catalog is still the same and chances are they will tell me not to change to the new univ. catalog. So it's still basically novus ordo.

    Supposedly, I have something like 3-4 semesters max to go. So i still have at least a year and a half and 2 years at the most.

    I'm not trying to run away from anything. All i want is to keep the Faith and have my own house so i can have my own family and "be a man". Certainly you would agree living in - at least - a Catholic household is something anyone would want.

    I have already said i don't hate them, just their beliefs, actions, omissions, lifestyle etc.

    I have 3 sisters and they all dress uber immodestly and they are all pagans, and i have a brother who isn't married and yet is living with his "girl" next door and they just had a child, but my parents of course approve of all that and even praise immodesty and immorality. I have a novus ordo "chapel" something like 100m from my house where my other family members go.

    If this alone doesn't get you righteously angry, then maybe you are ok with all that.

    There are something like 15 people living in the property (in different houses of course) and they are all novus ordo and all are against me, so i am "alone" in that sense.

    I would like to do something with the farm but at the same time i can't stand being with them because 99% of the time i speak with them they say something heretical, bad or take God's name in vain.

    When i first got in the novus ordo univ. in 2010 i was in my "pagan days" and wasn't really practicing anything. But last year i "converted" again and now i can't stand it because now i am really trying to live the life so my "spiritual senses" are more alert.

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    « Reply #24 on: September 21, 2013, 01:10:08 AM »
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    I can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....


    You can't contribute anything at all???

    Do you clean up your own messes? Do any of the garden? Prune trees? Chop wood? Paint? Clean? Babysit? Feed the poor? Visit an ailing neighbour?

    Come on, put your thinking cap on :idea:

    Then, if you give up college, you'll have more free time on your hands! I'm not saying you shouldn't give up college, but did you ever finish anything and say with satisfaction "I did that!"

    You have too much time on your hands and you spend it on thinking about how bad your family is! Are you inspiring them with your behaviour?
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #25 on: September 21, 2013, 01:31:33 AM »
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  • It's quite good you believe in being a saint.







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    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-


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    « Reply #26 on: September 21, 2013, 01:36:38 AM »
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    That said, perhaps you are unaware that i live in Latin America and things are not so easy around here.

    If i were in the exact same situation with the only difference being that we lived in the states, things would be so easy. I could just get a job somewhere and even help out/whatever.

    But here, it's a whole different matter.


    This I already knew. Having things easy is not going to help to make a man of you, actually the reverse.


    I didn't mean it that way; I just said that so people here don't think i'm just some kind of slacker who could do things easily but am negligent in doing so or something like that.


    Actually, i have to correct this.

    I HAVE been a total slacker and negligent and have wasted so much time, but i am finally trying to do something about it and stop wasting any more time.

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    « Reply #27 on: September 21, 2013, 01:47:46 AM »
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    « Reply #28 on: September 21, 2013, 01:50:22 AM »
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    I can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....


    You can't contribute anything at all???

    Do you clean up your own messes? Do any of the garden? Prune trees? Chop wood? Paint? Clean? Babysit? Feed the poor? Visit an ailing neighbour?

    Come on, put your thinking cap on :idea:


    OBVIOUSLY...i mean...COME ON.

    I was only referring to the FINANCIAL side of things.

    In fact i turn off the tv and lights and things like that whenever they leave them on and aren't using them (which they do every single day). I also am saving them some money by showering with cold water instead of hot water which wastes a lot of electricity.

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    Then, if you give up college, you'll have more free time on your hands!


    I think about this and realize it would be very advantageous.

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    did you ever finish anything and say with satisfaction "I did that!"


    Yes.

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    You have too much time on your hands and you spend it on thinking about how bad your family is! Are you inspiring them with your behaviour?


    Not 16 hours like someone else would imagine.

    I don't "spend my time" just thinking about that, come on.

    If you don't get righteously angry with certain things, you have a problem.

    And i have long stopped telling them anything about religion because it is useless.

    But what happens is that they ask me things.

    They ask me things like, "why don't you go and socialize with anyone? Why don't you speak to anyone? Why are you so quiet? Why don't you SMILE at life?" even thoug i have told them a gazillion times that we have to avoid bad company, bad "friends", heretics, ocassions of sin etc.

    The Gospel for them is "Thou shalt never judge anyone. We are all sinners. God is love. God is mercy. Go and socialize and make friends. It is bad to be alone and separated from people. And worry a lot about your health and your body. Exercise is important. Money and success is everything. It is very important to make friends."

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    « Reply #29 on: September 21, 2013, 02:05:59 AM »
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    I can't contribute anything to the family at the moment. I am simply going to college ....


    You can't contribute anything at all???

    Do you clean up your own messes? Do any of the garden? Prune trees? Chop wood? Paint? Clean? Babysit? Feed the poor? Visit an ailing neighbour?

    Come on, put your thinking cap on :idea:

    Then, if you give up college, you'll have more free time on your hands! I'm not saying you shouldn't give up college, but did you ever finish anything and say with satisfaction "I did that!"

    You have too much time on your hands and you spend it on thinking about how bad your family is! Are you inspiring them with your behaviour?


    You seem to forget, whatever your real name is, that salvation is the single most important thing for us humans and i will be doing them no good at all by being silent and appearing to "be ok" with them and by giving them false impressions which will only reassure them more in their ways.

    Being "politically correct" with them and making it seem like it's all fine and dandy is nothing but pure indifferentism and a completely false "charity".