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Alexandria · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2010, 07:26:20 PM »

This cannot be right. Surely we would have known about it. Maybe you are thinking about Masses that were started in New York City that took place at two or three in the morning on Sundays for night workers.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2010, 07:38:47 PM »

In the 1983 ( :barf: ) "Code of Canon Law" it says:

Can. 1248 §1. A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.

But that does NOT say Sunday. In the previous canon, it mentions Sunday, but not this one.

Can. 1247 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are obliged to participate in the Mass. Moreover, they are to abstain from those works and affairs which hinder the worship to be rendered to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s day, or the suitable relaxation of mind and body.

I don't know where people are getting this from. It doesn't say anywhere that you can go on Saturday, and fulfill your Sunday obligation. And I saw on "Father Z's" website

where he said that it does...

Hilarious.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/11/quaeritur-does-a-tlm-on-saturday-evening-fulfill-a-sunday-obligation/

Alexandria · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2010, 07:40:58 PM »

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It's not just the wiki citing it. CAF is citing it too, I believe.[/b]

I didn't see this before I posted. If CAF is citing it, then, by all means, believe it! :rolleyes:

Cristian · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2010, 08:29:05 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

From Wikipedia:

Until Pius XII, the Church celebrated Mass always in the mornings, as a reflection of the original sacrifice of Jesus Christ. In light of the displacement and persecution in much of Europe during World War II, evening Masses were permitted on a provisional basis. They turned out to be popular, opening the Church to new publics. He also permitted Church services to take place Saturday evening to fulfil Sunday obligation. [1] [2]

The citations are these:

# ^ AAS 1941, 516,
# ^ AAS 1949, 31-33

AAS stands for Acta Apostolicae Sedis, the Vatican official publishers. And from my investigations of this, it seems that Cardinal Tisserant (who was a RAAAAATTTTT!) was the one who wrote one of these little ditties, not Pius XII. Also, I have not read anything saying anything of the like (with my limited knowledge of Latin, but brain enough to use a phrase tool to try to decipher it somewhat) regarding Saturday. This talks about people in wartorn regions being dispensed from abstinence and fasting, not about a dispensation from Sunday Mass, and instead, going on Saturday.

If anyone wants to take a whack at this, here's the AAS archive (but it's in Latin.)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/index_it.htm

I checked AAS, and it does not say a single word on Saturday Mass. It speaks about a dispensation during War World 2, regarding fasts and abstinence.

Who said this decree was about Saturday night Mass???

Cristian · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2010, 08:32:45 AM »

Oh btw, thanks for the link! I didn`t know the AAS where on the net! :dancing-banana:

Cristian