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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2021, 05:21:45 PM »
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    • I've seen close to 100 "see too far" videos where the exact distances were docuмented, it was noted which equipment was used, the height above sea level of the equipment (based on the shoreline), the actual curvature math was performed.  That Mountain of Evidence video was especially important because it was done by guy who was extremely skeptical and even after he published it was reluctant to be called a "flat earther" because it would be "too big a leap" for him.  But he had no other explanation.

    So far on this thread I've seen two presented from the globe earth side, one of the windmill blades and the other of a ship disappearing.  In neither one was any zoomig in attempted after the object left from view.  There was no indication of how far the oject was.  Even cameras that can zoom have limits.  Even if you had infinite zoom capabilities, at some point the atmosphere between you and the object would obscure it, regardless of the magnification.  That's why recording the actual numbers is crucial.

    Strangely, the globers argue "refraction" for every single "see too far" video but then fail to consider that refraction might have influeced the two or three pictures that they have.  That one of the windmills made the blades appear much larger than they would have been at that distance and could have been an atmospheric effect.  But no, that one was "proof" whereas the hundres of others that show the oppose are not  When the ship went over the horizon in the one video, well, I've seen that replicated by Flat Earthers, only to have them zoom in and bring the full boat back into view.  But no zoom was attempted on the boat that allegedly went over the horizon.  No indication of how far it was away from from the video device, etc.

    Finally, when PBS/Discover tried to put together a video to demonstrate this phenomenon of something disappearing over the horizon, the video was clearly faked, as exposed here.  Why fake it?  It should have been easy to come up with a real video demonstrating the same thing.


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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #121 on: December 13, 2021, 05:27:59 PM »
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    • Just go through the videos on this site.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Z5IVoNE5cP2kka5svUEBw/videos

    He should have done a playlist with the 1 through 15 of that one sequential series, but I would recommend watching them in order.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #122 on: December 13, 2021, 05:42:46 PM »
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    • Another good one by Taboo Conspiracy. He shows that Denali should be hidden by curvature at 50 miles distance, yet there is a photo of the mountain at 135 miles distant.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #123 on: December 13, 2021, 06:01:14 PM »
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    • A lot of the Taboo Conspiracy vids are also on Brighteon.com - Mike Adams' site.

    I only mention it because some might prefer to avoid ((yoo-tube))
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #124 on: December 13, 2021, 06:03:15 PM »
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    • These videos are just self-explanatory.  The ones using mountains are a slam-dunk, as I think any calculation over water is more complicated (for newbies) because there's ocean movement involved.  Thx for the videos.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #125 on: December 13, 2021, 06:50:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 13, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
    BTW, in that picture he was parodying someone who was attacking his website.  He's not a tranny.  He is, however, a new ager.  Again, I'm not particularly interested in that.

    Ideed, he was very good at promoting his channels.  But then you'll notice the steep decline.  That's due to Big Tech censoring his stuff and even deleting his video channels.

    Again, where's your proof that he's an agent sent after Sungenis?  Still waiting.  Alex Jones denounced his "Atlantean Conspiracy" on air in 2009, saying that some Flat Earthers contacted him claiming it was some "Atlantean Conspiracy".

    Secondly, he's not by any stretch the only proponent of Flat Earth out there.  Nor was he the first in recent times.  He was just the best at promoting his social media.  Some people are good at that; others aren't.  You keep equating Flat Earth with Dubay.  At this point, you're just plain lying.

    So PROVE that he was sent out to attack Sungenis or shut up already.

    :laugh1: Explain how the setting sun, disappearing below the horizon, disappearing below the surface of Dubay's flat earth, doesn't ensure darkness all over the flat earth. Or shut up already.
    :facepalm:

    PROVE, that he's not a tranny, or shut up already. (besides: I didn't say so, you implicitly suggest this)

    PROVE, that in that picture he was parodying someone who was attacking his website, or shut up already. (besides: I didn't utter any claim with respect to this topic)

    PROVE, that Alex Jones denounced his "Atlantean Conspiracy" on air in 2009, when CI readers already know that the book appeared in 2013, or shut up already.


    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 13, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
    Secondly, he's not by any stretch the only proponent of Flat Earth out there.

    Be ready, I may docuмent even worse ones than Dubay.

    :jester:
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #126 on: December 13, 2021, 07:14:50 PM »
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    • cassini, thank you for your insightful posts here. I'm short on time so can't respond in detail right now, but I agree with most all of what you say. Much appreciated.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #127 on: December 13, 2021, 07:24:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 13, 2021, 05:21:45 PM
    So far on this thread I've seen two presented from the globe earth side, one of the windmill blades and the other of a ship disappearing.  In neither one was any zoomig in attempted after the object left from view.  There was no indication of how far the oject was.  Even cameras that can zoom have limits.  Even if you had infinite zoom capabilities, at some point the atmosphere between you and the object would obscure it, regardless of the magnification.  That's why recording the actual numbers is crucial.
    If an object disappears because simply because of perspective, it will get increasingly smaller until it can't be seen by your eye or resolved by the visual instrument (binoculars, telescope etc.). Just like in the video of the oil rigs that are "brought back" by the amazing zooming capabilities of a Nikon P9000.

    In the linked ship video, and in all other "object disappearing on the horizon" videos, they disappear from bottom up. Something is obstructing the view to that lower part of the object, while the upper part is still easily and clearly visible. How could the terrain or the water obstruct the view to an object on a flat disc, all the time, everywhere?

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    Strangely, the globers argue "refraction" for every single "see too far" video but then fail to consider that refraction might have influeced the two or three pictures that they have. 
    There may be instances where the "8 inches per square mile" doesn't fit completely due to refraction and what not. So you may be able to see too far, but you can never see far enough for the Earth to actually be flat. Nobody ever sees Mt. Everest from e.g. the Americas with a telescope or with the bare eye. Why is that?

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    Finally, when PBS/Discover tried to put together a video to demonstrate this phenomenon of something disappearing over the horizon, the video was clearly faked, as exposed here.  Why fake it?  It should have been easy to come up with a real video demonstrating the same thing.

    [youtube link]
    Well I've got to agree with you, this video has to be faked, it's ridiculous. I'm not sure how or why they did this, they seemed to have used the same video clip twice. But - by the way - the helicopter still did disappear and reappear on the horizon :laugh1:
    But let's not focus on a video that's clearly been tampered with.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #128 on: December 13, 2021, 07:52:02 PM »
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    The Israelites also imagined the Earth to be a disc floating on water with an arched firmament above it that separated the Earth from the heavens.[13] The sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars embedded in it.[14]
    But the israelites were wrong in that regard :(

    There are dozens of measures and experiments to disprove each of those points.

    :popcorn:
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #129 on: December 13, 2021, 08:02:09 PM »
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    But the israelites were wrong in that regard
    Wow, I guess Adam didn't know what shape the earth was (even though he personally named every animal and had the most perfect intellect ever created), but he had to wait for "modern science" to figure it out.  :facepalm:  The hubris is shocking!
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #130 on: December 13, 2021, 08:11:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 07:52:02 PM

    There are dozens of measures and experiments to disprove each of those points.

    :popcorn:

    I have yet to see any of these.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #131 on: December 13, 2021, 08:13:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 13, 2021, 06:50:01 PM
    :laugh1: Explain how the setting sun, disappearing below the horizon, disappearing below the surface of Dubay's flat earth, doesn't ensure darkness all over the flat earth. Or shut up already.
    :facepalm:

    That has not only been explained but demonstrated in action (in a small model at least) by many Flat Earthers.  Besides that, you're attacking the Flat Earth from total ignorance based on this question.  According to the FE model, the sun does NOT disppear BELOW the horizon, nor BELOW the surface.  It stays above the surface the entire time.  So you're attacking strawmen and things you have no comprehension of.  And you continue to use ridicule and and the old "Dubay's flat earth" lie.  Your dishonest tactics ae getting pretty old.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #132 on: December 13, 2021, 08:24:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 13, 2021, 08:02:09 PM
    Wow, I guess Adam didn't know what shape the earth was (even though he personally named every animal and had the most perfect intellect ever created), but he had to wait for "modern science" to figure it out.  :facepalm:  The hubris is shocking!
    What you're saying is not coherent, Adam wouldn't require to know the shape of the Earth to name the animals.

    Aristoteles discovered the Earth to be round, as posted by Yeti here: https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/is-refusing-to-accept-an-'obvious-fact'-a-sin-of-lying/msg792250/#msg792250

    Modern science :jester:

    That's a strawman, please be honest.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #133 on: December 13, 2021, 08:28:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 13, 2021, 08:11:13 PM
    I have yet to see any of these.
    To start with two simple ones, lunar eclipses and solar eclipses. I dare to say that the Israelites didn't really measure or analyze those when they happened. Because in the FE model you need an occluder, some kind of third unkown dark invisible body that invokes lunar and solar eclipses. Such a body yet has to be demonstrated to exist.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #134 on: December 13, 2021, 08:43:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
    To start with two simple ones, lunar eclipses and solar eclipses. I dare to say that the Israelites didn't really measure or analyze those when they happened. Because in the FE model you need an occluder, some kind of third unkown dark invisible body that invokes lunar and solar eclipses. Such a body yet has to be demonstrated to exist.

    That's because nobody's honestly looking for it in modern science.  And that's not necessarily the cause of eclipses  There's a fair bit of theory in Flat Earth due to the lack of resources to actually verify the theory.  Nevertheless, the standard mainstream theory about eclipses and the moon in general is falsified by many different observations.
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