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Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2021, 03:30:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 11, 2021, 03:22:45 PM
    Wrong.  You're confusing 2015 with the release of the video he's most famous for.  He published a book about the Flat Earth in 2014, and was doing lesser / smaller works (blogging and shorter videos) on the subject before that, and his book was the culmination of that prior work.

    Jєωtube keeps deleting his channel as well, and censoring the subject in general.

    There were dozens of books written on the subject in the 19th century.  I have copies of many in PDF format.

    Sungenis produced his film before 2014 and got the Krauss et al crowd upset before 2014.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #46 on: December 11, 2021, 04:09:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 11, 2021, 03:22:45 PM


    Here's Dubay's first book, Asbestos Head, published in 2008, and it has a flat earth picture on the cover.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0557028051/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0557028051&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
    That book wasn't primarily about Flat Earth, but that's the time period he said he started becoming seriously interested in the subject.

    Robert Sungenis published his huge ground breaking book Galileo Was Wrong -- The Church Was Right on August 27, 2007.

    As regards FE, Robert has written (http://flatearthflatwrong.com/product/flat-earth-flat-wrong/ ) and spoken (https://www.robertsungenis.org/2021/04/robert-sungenis-vs-flat-earth.html ) about this subject at length.  I know of no other Catholic apologist who has taken the time and effort to do this to the extent that he has.  In my opinion he has done this in good faith -- as evenhandedly and conscientiously as possible.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #47 on: December 11, 2021, 04:48:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 11, 2021, 04:09:24 PM
    Robert Sungenis published his huge ground breaking book Galileo Was Wrong -- The Church Was Right on August 27, 2007.

    As regards FE, Robert has written (http://flatearthflatwrong.com/product/flat-earth-flat-wrong/ ) and spoken (https://www.robertsungenis.org/2021/04/robert-sungenis-vs-flat-earth.html ) about this subject at length.  I know of no other Catholic apologist who has taken the time and effort to do this to the extent that he has.  In my opinion he has done this in good faith -- as evenhandedly and conscientiously as possible.

    Thank you for the links. I have started watching his presentation.  As an aside, is he a Trad?  I have never really paid him or his work any mind, as he never struck me as particularly traditional.  Is he an Indulter?  I know Voris, whose work he apparently promotes, at least to some degree, has the NOM "offered"/said, albeit "ad orientem", at his workplace.  
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #48 on: December 11, 2021, 04:50:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 04:48:09 PM
    Thank you for the links. I have started watching his presentation.  As an aside, is he a Trad?  I have never really paid him or his work any mind, as he never struck me as particularly traditional.  Is he an Indulter?  I know Voris, whose work he apparently promotes, at least to some degree, has the NOM "offered"/said, albeit "ad orientem", at his workplace. 
    Sugenis is a NO conservative. One of those who tries to "interpret Vatican II in light of tradition". He is not a traditionalist. But, he writes some great stuff on geocentrism.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #49 on: December 11, 2021, 04:53:37 PM »
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    • Sungenis is confessing member of the Conciliar Sect of Antichrist.

    But he ain't either Dubay, nor Rowbotham.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #50 on: December 11, 2021, 05:01:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 04:53:37 PM
    Sungenis is confessing member of the Conciliar Sect of Antichrist.

    But he ain't either Dubay, nor Rowbotham.

    Are you complimenting/recommending anyone or anything here?  All three more or less equally worthless in your opinion?  I am only just now beginning to look at some of what any of them have said, written, etc.  Was Sungenis once an FE-er, but then changed his stance?  You seemed to be saying he was basically responsible for Dubay's beginning.  Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning on that score.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #51 on: December 11, 2021, 05:09:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 05:01:25 PM
    Are you complimenting/recommending anyone or anything here?  All three more or less equally worthless in your opinion?  I am only just now beginning to look at some of what any of them have said, written, etc.  Was Sungenis once an FE-er, but then changed his stance?  You seemed to be saying he was basically responsible for Dubay's beginning.  Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning on that score.

    I recommend the two books of Sungenis "Galileo was wrong, the Church was right".

    Still, he's a confessing member of the Body of Antichrist.

    Simple facts. Not sure whether you can handle them, though.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #52 on: December 11, 2021, 05:10:30 PM »
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    • Not this [...]centrism and flat earth crap again.

    Time is short. Make sure your souls are right with God. Be contrite for your sins, do penance, and seek God. Stop wasting your time on these issues that have no bearing on your soul. Also, humanity is literally under attack by Jєω Satanic eugenicists. Take measures to protect yourselves. Focus on what matters.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #53 on: December 11, 2021, 05:12:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: crowbar on December 11, 2021, 05:10:30 PM
    Not this [...]centrism and flat earth crap again.

    Time is short. Make sure your souls are right with God. Be contrite for your sins, do penance, and seek God. Stop wasting your time on these issues that have no bearing on your soul. Also, humanity is literally under attack by Jєω Satanic eugenicists. Take measures to protect yourselves. Focus on what matters.

    Wrong topic, crowbar. Open up your mission elsewhere, please.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #54 on: December 11, 2021, 05:23:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
    I recommend the two books of Sungenis "Galileo was wrong, the Church was right".

    Simple facts. Not sure whether you can handle them, though.

    Having looked at his own website, I presume you are referring to his three-volume work?

    Your insatiable need to insult those with whom you disagree is not an attractive quality.  You do you, bro.  No hard feelings.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #55 on: December 11, 2021, 05:39:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 05:23:17 PM
    Having looked at his own website, I presume you are referring to his three-volume work?

    Your insatiable need to insult those with whom you disagree is not an attractive quality.  You do you, bro.  No hard feelings.

    I see. When I bought the books several years ago, there were two, now there's a third volume available 

    http://galileowaswrong.blogspot.com/p/books.html?m=1

    Thanks for the info!



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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #56 on: December 11, 2021, 06:02:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Charity on December 11, 2021, 04:09:24 PM
     (https://www.robertsungenis.org/2021/04/robert-sungenis-vs-flat-earth.html ) 

    Thirty minutes in and he has yet to prove or disprove anything, other than the fact that he doesn't believe there is any kind of cabal dominating the entire world and NASA isn't really all that bad.  I will finish listening tomorrow, but he isn't very impressive thus far and willful ignorance of the complete dominance of the world by what I call the Money Master Mafia is a bad sign, imo.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #57 on: December 11, 2021, 06:03:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 04:53:37 PM
    Sungenis is confessing member of the Conciliar Sect of Antichrist.

    But he ain't either Dubay, nor Rowbotham.

    Even if Sungenis were a flaming atheist or non-Catholic, what does it matter to his teachings on the nature of the earth?

    It doesn't require Sanctifying Grace or the virtue of Faith to be a good scientist.

    Attempt to poison the well: failed.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #58 on: December 11, 2021, 06:05:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 05:39:46 PM
    Thanks for the info!

    You are welcome.
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #59 on: December 11, 2021, 06:06:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
    Even if Sungenis were a flaming atheist or non-Catholic, what does it matter to his teachings on the nature of the earth?

    It doesn't require Sanctifying Grace or the virtue of Faith to be a good scientist.

    Attempt to poison the well: failed.



    I also said "he ain't either Dubay, nor Rowbotham", expressing your exact idea, Matthew.
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