A flat-Earth has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine or theology so should be kept out of the subject.

What is "the subject" as you see it?

You apparently presume the overall discussion is intended to be essentially or principally theological.  Clearly, this has not been and is not presently the case.  While theology is certainly superior to all of the natural sciences, it is clearly not the only science.

Geocentrism then was fundamental to the dogma of Creation. But Satan knew how to eliminate this supernatural existence of tyhe world. It began with Galileo saying that heliocentrism was a natural truth and that the Bible had been misinterpreted as literal when in fact it was heliocentric. History records a number of discoveries that supposedly 'proved' heliocentrism correct. From 1741 to 1835, churchmen of the Holy Office convinced the popes of the time heliocentrism was proven so they had better take forbidden heliocentric books off the Index. They did this. But taking books off the Index does not remove any heresies in them. Nevertheless this act was interpreted as such and because churchmen thought the Church of 1800 years made a mistake in reading the Bible properly, went no further. This of course meant the doctrine of ages and the papal definitions of 1616 and 1633 were wrong and that is the belief that has been handed on up to our time.

But science continued and it becamne clear that heliocentrism was never proven and the geocentrism of Scriprure and its Catholic doctrine was never shown to be wrong. 

‘Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east as Copernicus [and Galileo] taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west as his predecessors believed, the observable phenomena will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption that cannot be proved or disproved by observation.’ ---  Bertrand Russell: quoted in D. D. Sciama’s The Unity of the Universe, p.18.

Note what Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) and all credible physicists for the last hundred years are saying after 400 years of investigation; that the question seeking to know the order of the world for certain does not belong to natural science as those in Church and State have long claimed, for it is a metaphysical problem. And that is what Pope Paul V defined and declared as heresy in 1616, a question belonging to faith, something beyond human science but not beyond Revelation as described in the Holy Scriptures.

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Note what Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) and all credible physicists for the last hundred years are saying after 400 years of investigation; that the question seeking to know the order of the world for certain does not belong to natural science as those in Church and State have long claimed, for it is a metaphysical problem. 

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy, the queen of the natural sciences.  What is more, whether we live on a flat plane or on the surface of a sphere can most certainly be deduced via observation. What exactly does the "order of the world" encompass?

What is "the subject" as you see it?

You apparently presume the overall discussion is intended to be essentially or principally theological.  Clearly, this has not been and is not presently the case.  While theology is certainly superior to all of the natural sciences, it is clearly not the only science.

There is no doubt that the overall discussion with regard to geocentrism and heretical heliocentrism is theological.  There is a history of accusations against the Church since heliocentrism was said to have been proven by science. Fr Roberts showed in his booklet that papal infallibility was proven wrong by its 1616 decree against heliocentrism. Hans Kung said the same. The Catholic Church has been ridiculed by the lie that its defence of revelation was proven wrong.
Here are some quotes;

‘For over three and a half centuries, the trial of Galileo has been an anti-Catholic bludgeon wielded to show the Church as the enemy of enlightenment, freedom of thought and scientific advancement. In the cultural wars of our own day, Galileo has become an all-encompassing trump-card, played whenever the discussion is over science, abortion, gαy rights, legalised pornography, or simply as a legitimate reason for blatant anti-Catholicism.’ --- Robert Lockwood: The Galileo Affair, Position Papers, May 2001.

Voltaire wrote:  ‘Miserable human beings, whether in green robes, turbans, black robes or surplices, cloaks and neckbands, never seek to use authority when it is a question only of reason; or consent to be scoffed at throughout the centuries as the most impertinent of all men, and to suffer public hatred as the most unjust. A hundred times has one spoken to you of the insolent absurdity with which you condemned Galileo, and I speak to you for the hundred and first, and I hope you will keep the anniversary of it for ever; I desire that [the following] be engraved on the door of your Holy Office: “Here seven cardinals, assisted by minor brethren, had the master of thought in Italy thrown into prison at the age of seventy; made him fast on bread and water because he instructed the human race, and because they were ignorant.”’ --- Selected and Translated by H. I. Woolf, New York: Knopf, 1924. 

The following comment came from an atheist in 1879 reveals!
 
‘If the people of Europe had known as much of astronomy and geology when the Bible was introduced among them, as they do now, there never could have been one believer in the doctrine of [divine] inspiration. If the writers of the various parts of the bible had known as much about the sciences as is now known by every intelligent man, the Bible never could have been written. It was produced by ignorance and has been believed and defended by its author. It has lost power in the proportion that man has gained knowledge. A few years ago, this Bible was appealed to in the settlement of all scientific questions; but now, even the clergy confess that in such matters, it has ceased to speak with the voice of authority. For the establishment of facts, the word of man is now considered far better than the word of God. In the world of science, Jehovah was superseded by Copernicus, Galileo, and Kepler. All that God told Moses, admitting the entire account to be true, is dust and ashes compared to the discoveries of Descartes, Laplace, Humboldt. In matters of fact, the Bible has ceased to be regarded as a standard. Science has succeeded in breaking the chains of theology. Some years ago, Science endeavored to show that it was not inconsistent with the Scriptures. The tables have been turned, and now, Religion is endeavoring to prove that the Bible is not inconsistent with science. The standard has been changed’ --- Some Mistakes of Moses.

 That is what Catholicism was accused of after the heliocentric fraud was accepted by popes.

There is no doubt that the overall discussion with regard to geocentrism and heretical heliocentrism is theological.

 That is what Catholicism was accused of after the heliocentric fraud was accepted by popes.

So, is it principally a metaphysical question, as your previous post stated, or theological?  Or is it cosmological?  You do know metaphysics is a branch/discipline of philosophy and not theology, right?  Cosmology is also a discipline of philosophy.

No one here is claiming Holy Church hasn't been accused of a great many things.  The stance that clerics have taken toward usury these last few centuries is problematic, to put it mildly.  We're just seeking to solidly ascertain the truth about the place we live and move and have our being, if you will.

So, is it principally a metaphysical question, as your previous post stated, or theological?  Or is it cosmological?  You do know metaphysics is a branch/discipline of philosophy and not theology, right?  Cosmology is also a discipline of philosophy.

No one here is claiming Holy Church hasn't been accused of a great many things.  The stance that clerics have taken toward usury these last few centuries is problematic, to put it mildly.  We're just seeking to solidly ascertain the truth about the place we live and move and have our being, if you will.

The Church has been accused of opposing science since the Galileo case. Those apologists who reject the papal decrees defining heliocentrism as formal heresy have argued that the Church cannot define scientific matters as heresy. Fast forward to ther beginning of the 20th century. Even physicists now admit the question under consideration, the subject decreed formal heresy in 1616 was a metaphysical subject that does come under the guidance of the Catholic Church.

Moreover, the Catholic Church also has another responsibility as follows;

‘Further, the Church which, together with the apostolic duty of teaching, has received the command to guard the deposit of faith, has also, from divine providence, the right and duty of proscribing “knowledge falsely so called” (I Tim. 6:20), “lest anyone be cheated by philosophy and vain deceit.”  ---Vatican I.

But it is a long time since Cardinal Bellarmine pointed out why the Church condemned heliocentrism;

‘Second. I say that, as you know, the Council of Trent prohibits expounding the Scriptures contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers. And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the Earth, and that the Earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile in the centre of the universe. Now consider whether in all prudence the Church could encourage giving to Scripture a sense contrary to the holy Fathers and all the Latin and Greek commentators. Nor may it be answered that this [geocentrism] is not a matter of faith, for if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter (ex parte objecti), it is a matter of faith on the part of the ones who have spoken (ex parte dicentis). It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the prophets and apostles.’

[St. Robert Bellarimine] if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter (ex parte objecti), it is a matter of faith on the part of the ones who have spoken (ex parte dicentis). It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the prophets and apostles.’

Yes, this is the same passage I quoted to someone else who claimed that issues related to science can't also be related to faith.

Why fool readers? It's easy to look it up. Dubay started flat earth in 2015 one year after the film of Sungenis.

Wrong.  You're confusing 2015 with the release of the video he's most famous for.  He published a book about the Flat Earth in 2014, and was doing lesser / smaller works (blogging and shorter videos) on the subject before that, and his book was the culmination of that prior work.

Jєωtube keeps deleting his channel as well, and censoring the subject in general.

There were dozens of books written on the subject in the 19th century.  I have copies of many in PDF format.

Here's Dubay's first book, Asbestos Head, published in 2008, and it has a flat earth picture on the cover.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0557028051/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0557028051&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
That book wasn't primarily about Flat Earth, but that's the time period he said he started becoming seriously interested in the subject.

In 2009, he published The Atlantean Conspiracy, which included a full chapter on the subject.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1304634396/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1304634396&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />

Dubay says he contacted Alex Jones about the subject, and there's video of Jones calling FE ridiculous right around the timeperiod, saying he had been contacted by Flat Earthers who claimed it was some kind of "Atlantean Conspiracy".

Shortly after that he created a bunch of PDF copies of the aforementioned 19th-century books, and even narrated a couple of audio-book renditions of them.