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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2021, 07:50:44 PM »
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  • This is worth watching, but I'll put these in FE.  This guy was just hanging out on a forum watching the Flat Earth debate but was AGAINST Flat Earth until he went out and did the experiments depicted in this video.  Toward the end when he's facing the inevitable conclusion of his experiment, you can hear how he's a bit disturbed and desperately asking for alternative explanations.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/OxIHjjhI3rhh/

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #16 on: December 10, 2021, 07:50:59 PM »
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  • One of the biggest issues facing Flat Earth Truth right now is that Big Tech is ruthlessly censoring the subject, so it's nearly impossible to find any pro-FE materials using search engines.  One of your best bets is to use yandex.com (the Russian search engine) but recently I've seen signs of their beginning to filter stuff as well.

    That's actually also one of the biggest clues that we/they are onto something here.

    So what I think I'm going to do is to go into the FE subforum and create a bunch of "library" threads, topic by topic, and gather the videos I can find ... before they are all scrubbed, and just put them in there so people can find them.
    I've been trying to pull together a playlist on YT as I come across videos just because they're difficult to find by searching.

    My tinfoil tingles when they very obviously try to bury FE
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #17 on: December 10, 2021, 07:54:29 PM »
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  • I've been trying to pull together a playlist on YT as I come across videos just because they're difficult to find by searching.

    My tinfoil tingles when they very obviously try to bury FE

    Yes, more here on Flat Earth censorship.

    I'm going to request that people not debate this issue in these Library threads I create, but take it elsewhere.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #18 on: December 10, 2021, 07:54:46 PM »
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  • The centre we observe is Polaris/the north pole. The earth I'm sitting upon isn't the centre of anything but my arse.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #19 on: December 10, 2021, 07:55:18 PM »
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #20 on: December 10, 2021, 08:00:54 PM »
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  • The centre we observe is Polaris/the north pole. The earth I'm sitting upon isn't the centre of anything but my arse.

    Polaris is the center of the star field.  Time lapse photograph shows the stars revolving around it.  I have no idea what you're trying to say here except that it sounds like you're an arso-centrist.  Did you sign up for an account just to troll this thread?

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #21 on: December 10, 2021, 08:29:10 PM »
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  • It's the Antarctic stuff that really intrigued me the most. Why, why, WHY is there an Antarctic treaty if it's just an icy content at the bottom of the globe? How did Captain Cook travel 60,000 miles trying to circuмnavigate Antarctica if it is said to only be about 12,000 miles? Why doesn't the Antarctic climate mirror that of the arctic if the sun shines at the same intensity on both poles during their summer seasons?

    And then I went down the rabbit hole, saw the Biblical evidence to support it, and now I'm pretty well convinced we've been lied to for a long, long time about what we live on. And no, as the other long thread tried to claim, the shape of the earth is not an obvious truth. Otherwise, there wouldn't be this:



    The earth is a flat plane, enclosed inside of a watery globe, immovable, in the center of the universe.
    The Greeks were the first to propose a spherical Earth, and the Romans(and later all of Christian Europe) took this belief from them, so that picture is misleading to say the least.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #22 on: December 10, 2021, 08:40:29 PM »
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  • The Greeks were the first to propose a spherical Earth, and the Romans(and later all of Christian Europe) took this belief from them, so that picture is misleading to say the least.

    While there was some cross-pollination into Rome from Greek thinking, the most notable native Roman scientific mind was Lucretius, and he ridiculed the notion of a globe earth.

    https://aeon.co/essays/lucretius-the-flat-earth-and-the-malaise-of-modern-science

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    In contrast, Lucretius ridicules the idea that anything could be on the other side of the world because it would fall off into the vastness of space. He didn’t just reject a spherical Earth, he thought it was daft.
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    in book five of On the Nature of Things, he also tries to convince us that the heavenly bodies are not very big or far away, and that they can even be buffeted about by the winds. He proposes that the world is rather like a snow globe. We are all living on a flat surface covered by a rounded vault, within which the stars and planets move around like the flakes of white when the snow globe is shaken.


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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #23 on: December 10, 2021, 09:14:44 PM »
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  • I haven't thought as deeply on helio vs geocentrism (as much as GE vs FE) but the latter is logical. I have no clue how big the actual "universe" is and even though I've been doing amateur astronomy for almost my whole life I'm unconvinced about anything and my mind is open to Truth. The whole point about the globalists pushing hyperreality since the 70s is to make EVERYTHING fake and have everyone knowing NOTHING, this is no exception. I guarantee I am bluepilled about some fundamental underpinning or another I've been programmed to believe so I never close the door in my mind.

    I get the feeling there are a lot of answers about our world on Antarctica, it's a playground for (((them))).
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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #24 on: December 10, 2021, 09:32:31 PM »
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  • How would a geocentrist/heliocentrist find his way out of the woods? Without considering the true centre (Polaris/north pole) he could hardly navigate. :laugh1:

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #25 on: December 11, 2021, 04:14:31 AM »
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  • Any Heliocentrists on CI?  Are we all Geocentrists, whether FEs or Globetrotters?
    I would be surprised if there were as not even athiest physicists believe the universe revolves around the sun anymore. In fact they believe there is no centre of the universe which is logically incoherent.

    Even normal people can comprehend that the earth is atleast mystically the centre of the universe as it is the centre stage of the imago dei.


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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #26 on: December 11, 2021, 04:19:34 AM »
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  • I'm a heliocentrist who believes in a spherical earth by default, because I've never had any reason to think otherwise.  When I say "heliocentrist", I mean the sun is the center of our solar system, not necessarily the center of anything else.  Nonetheless, I follow truth wherever it goes, and in the search for that truth, I ask the following questions:

    Have all of the astronomers who posited a spherical earth been wrong, and how have they all persisted in this error?

    How is the apparent curvature of the earth explained, where it is seen from various vantage points, such as in airplane flight, or even from a tall building?  I have even seen the curvature of the earth (or at least that's what I thought it was) from the top floors of a beach hotel, as I looked out onto the ocean.

    Are all airplane pilots who travel vast distances over a flat earth, as well as those who travel in spacecraft, taken into a grand conspiracy, and pledged to secrecy as regards the lie?  And have any of them ever "cracked" and told the public that it's all a big lie?  That's a lot of pilots and a lot of astronauts (and, now, civilians who have no long-term connection to a space program otherwise comprised of near-perfect specimens of humanity who have "the right stuff").  Are they taken into an inner sanctum at some point and told "you will go along with the lie, or you will die, and your loved ones will die"?  It would only take one, or two, or three, to "tell the truth", assuming they could "get the word out".

    These are honest questions with no agenda behind them.
    The sun being the "centre" of the of the solar system is not even believed by athiest physicists anymore due to the gravity fields of the other planet. On an isolated local level of the solar system the centre point is actually just outside of the sun which the sun revolves around. This is mainly caused by jupiter. In essence the sun is revolving around jupiter. And the other planets. And earth. And any other object with mass like you or me.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #27 on: December 11, 2021, 09:59:54 AM »
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  • Interesting to see this question aired on CATHOLICS LIVING IN THE MODERN WORLD. Normally the subject is confined to THE EARTH GOD MADE under FIGHTING ERRORS IN THE MODERN WORLD where only a fraction of readers bother to go.

    If the question was put like this 'are there any heretical heliocentrists on CIF' it would have put the question in the right context. Moreover, If Satan himself wanted to undermine the importance heliocentrism in the history of the Catholic faith, he could not have surpassed the way this FLAT-EARTH subject has totally undermined the history of the geocentric V heliocentric clash in the history of the Catholic churchn and history of the world.

    Heliocentrism was defined and declared a heresy by the Catholic Church in 1616 and confirmed by Pope Urban VII in 1633 because it contradicted the revelation in the Bible that the sun turns around the Earth. This Pythagorean heresy has been condemned by all the Fathers of the Church and certain Popes since the first century of Catholicism. A flat-Earth has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine or theology so should be kept out of the subject.

    As time went by, this geocentric doctrine was developed to satisfy the insatiable curiosity of man and the infinite theology of God, a synthesis of thought found in the reasoning refined and articulated in a Christian way over the centuries by all the Fathers and Doctors of the Catholic Church, especially Dionysius the Areopagite (1st century AD), St Clement of Alexandria (150-215AD) who held that the altar in the Jєωιѕн tabernacle was ‘a symbol of the Earth placed in the middle of the universe,’ Peter Lombard (12th century), and finally, ‘with great power and clearness,’ wrote Andrew White, ‘St Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), the sainted theologian, the glory of the mediaeval Church, the “Angelic Doctor,” who brought the whole vast system, material and spiritual, into its relation to God and man,’ a composite of theology and metaphysics that resulted in ‘a sacred system of cosmology, one of the great treasures of the universal Church.’ 

    Of note is that the Council of Trent upheld the doctrine of geocentrism as can be read in its catechism.

    ‘I Believe in God, Almighty Father, Creator of Heaven and Earth. He followed no external form or model; but contemplating, and as it were imitating, the universal model contained in the divine intelligence, the supreme Architect, with infinite wisdom and power – attributes peculiar to the Divinity – created all things in the beginning. He spoke and they were made… The words heaven and Earth include all things that the heavens and the Earth contain; for besides the heavens, which the Prophet has called the works of His fingers, He also gave to the sun its brilliancy, and to the moon and stars their beauty; and that they may be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety…. The Earth also God commanded to stand in the midst of the world, rooted in its own foundations [Psa. 103:5: You fixed the Earth upon its foundations, not to be moved forever], and made the mountains ascend, and the plains descend into the place that He had founded for them…. He next not only clothed and adorned it with trees and every variety of plants and flowers, but filled it, as He had already filled the air and water, with innumerable kinds of creatures…. Not only does God protect and govern all things by His Providence, but He also by an internal power impels to motion and action whatever moves and acts, and this in such a manner that, although He excludes not, He yet precedes the agency of secondary causes.’

    More in my next post.

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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #28 on: December 11, 2021, 10:06:19 AM »
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  • As an example of the doctrine of geocentrism, also found in the prayers and art of the Catholic church, we read the following written by St Robert Bellarmine in his book De Ascensione Mentis in Deum, The Mind’s Ascent to God (by the Ladder of Created Things). ‘The mind’s ascent belongs to a close-knit genre, the “Ladder of Assent” tradition. Asian religions often picture release of the burdens of life as a ladder. One can think of the ziggurat towers of the Babylonians (no doubt the kind of edifice that Jacob saw in his vision recorded in Gen. 28:10-22). The Bible describes steps towards God such as in Psalms of Ascent, depicting the way people climbed the steps up into the Temple (Ezek. 40:26, 31). In fact, Robert Bellarmine states in the introduction of this book that the reason for his fifteen stages up the ladder is Solomon’s precedent.

    Step 2. The sun’s course shows God’s greatness. 
    ‘Later the same Prophet celebrates the truly marvellous course of the sun. “He has rejoiced as a giant to run the way” (Ps 18:6). He is certainly a powerful giant, if he stretches his stride to match the size of his body and runs with a speed to match the strength of his forces, for he covers an absolutely immense space in a short time. The Prophet… later compared the sun to a giant man so that he could explain as well as possible the sun’s speedy course by using the same analogy. Even if he had compared the sun to flying birds, arrows, winds, and lightning bolts instead of to men, however large and strong, he would still have fallen far short of the truth….

    4. The moon is subject to the sun; the sun attains glory when united with God.
    ‘The moon has two properties which can help us to ascend to and attain our God. The first is that, the more the moon draws near the sun, the more it is illuminated in its higher part, which looks toward heaven, and the more it falls into shadow on its lower part, which looks towards Earth. And when it is wholly beneath the sun and is wholly in conjunction with it, then it is totally bright toward heaven and darkened toward Earth. Conversely, when the moon is opposite the sun, people living on the Earth see it as completely bright, but it has no light on its upper part, which is seen by heaven’s inhabitants. This property of the moon can be seen as a fine illustration or example for moral men so they can understand how careful they should be about their closeness, subordination, and union to God, the true Father of light. The moon stands for man, the sun stands for God, when the moon is opposite the sun then the light borrowed from the sun looks only at the Earth and in a way turns its back on heaven. Hence it appears very beautiful to Earth’s inhabitants but very ugly to heaven’s inhabitants. In exactly the same way mortal men, when they wander far from God, are like the prodigal son who left his father and went to a distant country. They misuse the light of reason, which they received from the Father of lights; examining only the Earth they forgot God, think only about the Earth and have only the Earth and devote themselves wholly to acquiring earthly goods….This is why St Augustine notes in his Letter to Januarius, the Passover of the Lord in both the Old and New Law cannot be celebrated properly except after a full moon, that is, when the moon, which is opposite the sun at full moon, begins to turn and to come back into conjunction with the sun. God wanted to show by this heavenly sign how it happens through the passion and resurrection of the Lord that a man who is opposed to God by his sinfulness begins to turn towards God and through the merits of Jesus Christ to hasten to grace and union with Him….


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    Re: Any Heliocentrists on CI?
    « Reply #29 on: December 11, 2021, 10:10:38 AM »
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  • I disagree, cassini.  FE actually reinforces and goes hand in hand with geocentrism.  In fact, it doubles down on the notion that the earth IS the universe, not merely at the center of a massive expanse.