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Offline lefebvre_fan

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Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
« on: August 30, 2012, 09:15:34 PM »
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  • Well, are there? Got an evolutionist brother who just discovered I'm a creationist (why he didn't know that before, I have no idea), so now I need ammunition, lol. Most of the things I've read don't appear to be very compelling.
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 09:21:36 PM »
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  • Of course, I don't have any delusions about converting him, but I need something to show that I'm not a total moron (even if it's true, heh).
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »
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  • Never mind, I think I just need to not care what he thinks of me or says about me to others. I need to disregard human respect, like Our Lord and like His saints.
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 09:39:51 PM »
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  • Darwins Black Box

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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 09:50:41 PM »
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  • There are probably better books out there, but I just got done reading "The Evolution Hoax Exposed", published by TAN books. It was first published in 1971 under the name "Why Colleges Breed Communists".

    I found some useful information in it, such as the pointing out of evolutionary gaps, the flaws in Darwin's theories and also Darwin's own doubts/perplexities about evolution. It also hits on a fair amount of history pertaining to how evolution came about, tying it in with the French Revolution. It was an interesting read. All in all I'd say I've gleaned some good arguments from it that I'm sure I'll find handy one of these days.
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 06:59:29 AM »
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  • Thanks for the suggestions!

    A thought occurred to me today while reflecting on this subject: what advantage would there be, from an evolutionary perspective, for a single-celled organism to become a multicellular organism? I found the following 'answer' from a molecular biology textbook:

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    Single-cell organisms, such as bacteria and protozoa, have been so successful in adapting to a variety of different environments that they comprise more than half of the total biomass on earth. Unlike animals, many of these unicellular organisms can synthesize all of the substances they need from a few simple nutrients, and some of them divide more than once every hour. What, then, was the selective advantage that led to the evolution of multicellular organisms?

    A short answer is that by collaboration and by division of labor it becomes possible to exploit resources that no single cell could utilize so well. This principle, applying at first to simple associations of cells, has been taken to an extreme in the multicellular organisms we see today. Multicellularity enables a plant, for example, to become physically large; to have roots in the ground, where one set of cells can take up water and nutrients; and to have leaves in the air, where another set of cells can efficiently capture radiant energy from the sun. Specialized cells in the stem of the plant form channels for transporting water and nutrients between the roots and the leaves. Yet another set of specialized cells forms a layer of epidermis to prevent water loss and to provide a protected internal environment (see Panel 1-2, pp. 28-29). The plant as a whole does not compete directly with unicellular organisms for its ecological niche; it has found a radically different way to survive and propagate.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK28332/


    But this argument is self-refuting, for in the very first line, it states:

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    Single-cell organisms, such as bacteria and protozoa, have been so successful in adapting to a variety of different environments that they comprise more than half of the total biomass on earth.


    So, once again, what is the evolutionary advantage of becoming a multicellular organism?
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 07:09:43 AM »
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  • Also, in a multicellular organism, as I understand it, a single cell will 'choose' to die in order to preserve the entire organism. Once again, how is this consistent with natural selection and the desire of living things to survive and reproduce? (Perhaps I'm going off into the wild blue yonder here, seeing as I'm not a scientist and my understanding of these things is rudimentary at best).
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 07:11:56 AM »
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  • Lefebvrefan, in case you know some German, the following book could be of interest to you. It was written by two traditional Catholic SSPX priests.
    The main author Fr Johannes Grün is well known to some of you Cathinfo readers, since he worked for some years in the US district and looked after some of your chapels. Alas, the other author who heloed Fr Grün and wrote the introduction, was just forced to leave the SSPX because of the upcoming SSPX agreement with Newrome.

    Amazon.de

    Title: Die Schöpfung - ein göttlicher Plan.
    Die Evolution im Lichte naturwissenschaftlicher Fakten und philosophisch-theologischer Grundlagen


    Title's on-the-fly translation: The Creation - a divine plan.
    The Evolution examined with scientific facts and with philosophical-theological principles


    Hardcover edition, 544 pages
    Verlag: Verax, year 2000
    ISBN-10: 3909065058
    ISBN-13: 978-3909065059
    Authors: Johannes Grün, Hermann Weinzierl





    I'm not sure if there's an English translation. Does anybody know if there is one?


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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2012, 07:27:50 AM »
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    But this argument is self-refuting, for in the very first line, it states:

    So, once again, what is the evolutionary advantage of becoming...


    It's not self-refuting, since both can be true... It's not an either - or proposition.

    Replace cell by individuals, and you will see that the same holds true.  Individuals are extremely adaptable, yet, they benefit in forming clans and communities to exploit better ressources around them.

    Also, you misunderstand evolutionary theory.  It does not state that evolution occurs to profit from an advantage.  Genetic alterations occur at random and only those random changes that are beneficial are rewarded with better chances to reproduce.

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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2012, 08:06:02 AM »
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    Replace cell by individuals, and you will see that the same holds true.  Individuals are extremely adaptable, yet, they benefit in forming clans and communities to exploit better ressources around them.
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    Yes, we know this, and we know that single-cell organisms also form colonies. But the questions remains, what advantage is there, in terms of increasing its chances for reproduction, for that single-cell organism to become a multi-cell organism? From observing our world, it would appear that single-celled organisms have a distinct advantage over multi-cell organisms when it comes to reproduction, since they require less nutrients and can reproduce at an amazing rate. Also, unlike multi-cell organisms, most (all?) single-cell organisms can reproduce asexually, which makes it even easier for them to reproduce.

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    Also, you misunderstand evolutionary theory.  It does not state that evolution occurs to profit from an advantage.  Genetic alterations occur at random and only those random changes that are beneficial are rewarded with better chances to reproduce.


    Again, what would be the benefit of becoming a multi-celled organism, since it seems that single-cell organisms are the best able to adapt to new environments and are best able to reproduce themselves? Why would nature, then, favour multi-cellular organisms, and in such abundance?
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 08:25:52 AM »
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  • "The Catholic Church is the only thing which saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age."--G. K. Chesterton


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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 08:44:35 AM »
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  • Also, Vandaler, you do realize that the account of Creation in the Bible cannot be reconciled with the theory of evolution? I know some people try to mix the two together, but anyone who's knowledgeable and honest with himself will realize that the two are incompatible.

    Using just one example, according to the Creation account in Genesis, the creatures of the sea and the birds of the air were created on the fifth day, while the 'beasts of the earth', including 'creeping things', were created on the sixth day. In other words, sea creatures and birds were created before land animals.

    But evolutionary theory teaches that birds evolved from reptiles, which, according to the Genesis account, did not exist when birds came into being.

    So which is the true account: the Bible or evolutionary theory?
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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #12 on: August 31, 2012, 08:55:43 AM »
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  • The Transformist Illusion by Douglas Dewar is extremely good, if a bit old.

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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #13 on: August 31, 2012, 10:39:59 AM »
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  • LF, my view point is irrelevant, I'm only interested in this thread because you genuinely want to debate your point.  I like debate, so I don't mind handing my help even if I don't side with you.

    In essence, I would challenge your assertion that multi-cells are advantaged over single cells.   The population of single cell organism is mind boggling high and there is no reasons to believe that they will be evolved-out.


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    Any good books, articles refuting evolution?
    « Reply #14 on: August 31, 2012, 10:43:49 AM »
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    But this argument is self-refuting, for in the very first line, it states:

    So, once again, what is the evolutionary advantage of becoming...


    It's not self-refuting, since both can be true... It's not an either - or proposition.

    Replace cell by individuals, and you will see that the same holds true.  Individuals are extremely adaptable, yet, they benefit in forming clans and communities to exploit better ressources around them.

    Also, you misunderstand evolutionary theory.  It does not state that evolution occurs to profit from an advantage.  Genetic alterations occur at random and only those random changes that are beneficial are rewarded with better chances to reproduce.


    So what is your proof for evolution? I don't think you'll have any, because evolution is an illogical fallacy that falls flat on its face.

     

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