Author Topic: annulment tribunals are no game (Read 3335 times)

alemany · « **on:** October 02, 2009, 11:47:54 AM »

As i understand the USA leads the world in annulments some 63%,and i never thought I would have to use it!

I thought a civil dissolution was a pain,it is nothing compared to system that the Church has in place.Except the money and a civil is insane!?

I was able to download the forms and Wow are they deep in digging information about everything in our past.

a couple of examples:

Childhood and Adolescences-discribe your family life when you were a child,include memories of pre-school and school years,quality of the relationship with your parents.What was your parents marriage like,was there abuse,divorce, mental illness.that is just a sample of the questions.

Courtship and Engagement-this has 18 deep probing interrogatives and in my case ours didn't even happen across the board.She was pregnant after knowing her a month?

Wedding-another 9 interrogatives that we did not do any!she was 6 monthes pregnant in the wedding :shocked: I never had a clue at that time there was so much to marriage.

Separation and Divorce-That's a real hot potato,i have plenty to say and it it falls in the canon 1095.2-3

After wrestling around for years about this,and wondering if it was even possible I have found that I have so much disorder and at the time of marriage.That I have become convinced that this marriage has so much lacking,in so many ways it's a wonder it lasted as long as it did?

After starting this I have come to realize that Fr.Flood was correct to allow her to separate,that I have held contempt for this priest for the past several years, and have had to change my position.

Jehanne · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »

An annulment is a certainty. Unlike the pre-Vatican II era and especially, during the Middle Ages, annulments were a rarity. Do you want one? Or does your ex? If she wants one and you lose at the diocese level, you can always appeal to Rome. Did you know that? One of the Kennedy's ex-wifes wrote a book on this. Can't remember the name off the top of my head.

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2009, 11:54:32 AM »

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One of the Kennedy's ex-wifes wrote a book on this. Can't remember the name off the top of my head.

How I got out of the Kennedy Clan before completely losing my mind, soul and body....LOL, ok, made that up....

alemany · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:03:56 PM »

i realize that in the middle ages many issues in the Church were different..The people knew there faith today I myself didn't,the fruits of V2..Both of us want this,she is remarried,and objectivly out of the Church. She want's to be back in the church too.
I understand that there is no sure thing with the Tribunal,and understand the appeal w/ the Roman Rota.

alemany · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:07:34 PM »

Ed Peters addresses this Kennedy issue and one thing for sure"I AM NOT A KENNEDY!!!"

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:07:36 PM »

Quote from: alemany

As i understand the USA leads the world in annulments some 63%,and i never thought I would have to use it!

Because the hierarchy have betrayed marriage. They do not preach against contraception, they do not preach that a wife must obey her husband, (John Paul II encyclical!) they practically allow divorce. They have betrayed the Catholic family.

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After starting this I have come to realize that Fr.Flood was correct to allow her to separate,that I have held contempt for this priest for the past several years, and have had to change my position.

I doubt that. His decision has led your wife away from her responsibilities and out of the Church.

Most of the priests pander to feminists today. That is the reality.

alemany · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:16:22 PM »

Growing up not knowing your faith,not in a faithful household,but one that is not catholic is only one part of the reasons that this marriage was doomed from the start.
Then to go to a Catholic high school and not have a clue about your faith
the Mass,what a sacrament is?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:23:28 PM »

Quote from: alemany

Growing up not knowing your faith,not in a faithful household,but one that is not catholic is only one part of the reasons that this marriage was doomed from the start.
Then to go to a Catholic high school and not have a clue about your faith
the Mass,what a sacrament is?

You and your wife did not know you were making a permanent commitment?

Did you not mean what you said?

How can anyone be sure of having a valid marriage if so many subjective criteria can be used to deny its existence?

You said it was remarkable your marriage lasted as long as it did. Well, if it ever was a marriage, it still is a marriage. Do you really believe your wife was never your wife?

I'm not trying to be hard on you alemany, if your marriage truly is invalid, then you're jjustified in seeking an annulment. But you shouldn't count on post-Vatican II ways of making that determination.

The sacrifices required by Catholic life are great. I don't want to put an unnecessary burden on you. I'm just telling you - it's impossible to reconcile Catholic doctrine with the annulment process today. If you don't believe marriage is indissoluble, you're outside the Church. And those who support this annulment process cannot really believe in indissoluble marriage.

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:37:46 PM »

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If you don't believe marriage is indissoluble, you're outside the Church. And those who support this annulment process cannot really believe in indissoluble marriage.

if you read his other posts, you will see he does, the wife apparently does not......as for rest, he is leavingthat up to Church officials to work out, which is in the purview of Christ's Body, the household of Faith......

perhaps prayers are needed, not accusations against Alemany

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »

sorry, somehow I put in quotes my comments, instead of Tele's

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:42:25 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Telesphorus
If you don't believe marriage is indissoluble, you're outside the Church. And those who support this annulment process cannot really believe in indissoluble marriage.

if you read his other posts, you will see he does, the wife apparently does not......as for rest, he is leavingthat up to Church officials to work out, which is in the purview of Christ's Body, the household of Faith......

perhaps prayers are needed, not accusations against Alemany

I meant the annulment process in general as it stands today.

Bishops who support bogus declarations of nullity must be resisted.

And if someone deludes themselves into thinking a marriage is invalid when it is valid, then it is our duty to let them know what's going on with regard to these bogus annulments.

alemany · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2009, 11:38:18 AM »

I am going threw the docuмentation,and must trust in the Church to rule she has the wisdom........all the BLA BLA about the Pope is moot.

I believe he is a valid Pope,the Bishops well that a different story, the Jurist here are just.I have no other option than to let the Church render a verdict.

take a look at the tribunals annulment stack of docuмents and then tell me the process not grueling.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2009, 11:59:10 AM »

Jehanne · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:38:11 PM »

Quote from: alemany

I am going threw the docuмentation,and must trust in the Church to rule she has the wisdom........all the BLA BLA about the Pope is moot.

I believe he is a valid Pope,the Bishops well that a different story, the Jurist here are just.I have no other option than to let the Church render a verdict.

take a look at the tribunals annulment stack of docuмents and then tell me the process not grueling.

Then let Rome decide the matter. My understanding is that most annulments granted at the diocesan level are overturned by the Roman Curia.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:27:49 PM »

Whatever you do, don't ask the FE mods for advice!