Author Topic: An exhortation (Read 4202 times)

Magdalene · « **on:** February 14, 2007, 01:41:18 AM »

Remember, O Christian soul, that you have this day, and every day of your life--

God to glorify,
Jesus to imitate,
The angels and saints to invoke,
A soul to save,
A body to mortify,
Sins to expiate,
Virtues to acquire,
Hell to avoid,
Heaven to gain,
Eternity to prepare for,
Time to profit by,
Your neighbor to edify,
Passions to subdue,
Devils to combat,
The world to despise,
Death perhaps to encounter,
And judgement to undergo.

Trinity · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2007, 07:26:41 AM »

It doesn't say anything in here about clobbering error. Or the erroneous.

Ancilla_Indigna · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Trinity

It doesn't say anything in here about clobbering error. Or the erroneous.

"God to glorify"
"Jesus to imitate"
"Your neighbor to edify"
"The world to despise"

Trinity · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:22:46 AM »

Must be a problem of definition.

clare · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:25:55 AM »

Quote from: Trinity

It doesn't say anything in here about clobbering error. Or the erroneous.

Hate the error; Love the erroneous.

Clare.

Trinity · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2007, 01:40:31 PM »

Clobber neither. If a thing can't be done gently, as Jesus did it, then it shouldn't be done at all. Good show, Clare.

gilbertgea · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2007, 07:24:50 AM »

'It doesn't say anything in here about clobbering error. Or the erroneous.'

No, in fact it would be much better if we just let error roam free because to correct it would be impolite. After all, what is important is our feelings, not the truth.

:rolleyes:

I think I remember Our Lord saying something to that effect.

----END SARCASM----

Trinity · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2007, 09:55:36 AM »

As one of your converts, I'm willing to testify, Gee ilbert. Ever since you decided to "make (me) see reason", I have had first hand experience of your skills in converting people. We could talk about the toxicity level you bring to the process and compare it with the working of the Holy Spirit in His office of convicting the world of sin, and so on.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2007, 11:40:02 AM »

Quote from: Trinity

Clobber neither. If a thing can't be done gently, as Jesus did it, then it shouldn't be done at all. Good show, Clare.

What was our Lord cleansing the Temple of moneychangers all about then? Our Lord would have been tough in speaking to and about the Pharisees as well. Sometimes you have to be tough, especially with those who should know better. Gentle does not always work in every case. The Vatican right now is being too gentle, and that can be a big problem. We all need to be tougher. I know I need to be. And, yes, there can be, I guess, a sort of toughness in gentleness, but sometimes you need to let toughness show forth in being tough.

Trinity · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2007, 11:56:49 AM »

I'm not going there, Keph. If Gilbert's methods are good, then the fruit will be good. Anyone who takes on the job of forming souls needs more than his own mouth for credentials.

How is your mother, Keph? I keep praying for her and never hear if she made it through alright.

Trinity · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2007, 12:19:47 PM »

St. Ignatius decided to "get tough" on error, you know. Here is an excerpt from his turning point, but it, unfortunately doesn't say what changed his mind.

He had decided that he wanted to go to Jerusalem to live where our Lord had spent his life on earth. As a first step he began his journey to Barcelona. Though he had been converted completely from his old ways, he was still seriously lacking in the true spirit of charity and Christian understanding, as illustrated by an encounter he had with a Moor on the way. The Moor and he came together on the road, both riding mules, and they began to debate religious matters. The Moor claimed that the Blessed Virgin was not a virgin in her life after Christ was born. Ignatius took this to be such an insult that he was in a dilemma as to what to do. They came to a fork in the road, and Ignatius decided that he would let circuмstances direct his course of action. The Moor went down one fork. Ignatius let the reins of his mule drop. If his mule followed the Moor, he would kill him. If the mule took the other fork he would let the Moor live. Fortunately for the Moor, Ignatius' mule was more charitable than its rider and took the opposite fork from the Moor.

He proceeded to the Benedictine shrine of Our Lady of Montserrat, made a general confession, and knelt all night in vigil before Our Lady's altar, following the rites of chivalry. He left his sword and knife at the altar, went out and gave away all his fine clothes to a poor man, and dressed himself in rough clothes and sandals and a staff.

Ancilla_Indigna · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2007, 01:36:59 PM »

And Peter cut off the ear of a Roman soldier, yet he was rebuked by our Lord.

James 3.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2007, 01:40:04 PM »

Being tougn on error is one thing -- resorting to violence is another (slashing off peoples' ears, killing non-Catholics).

It is not charity to let someone live on in error -- however, fraternal correction must be done with prudence. It must be done with humility, tact, and knowing that the person might listen to you.

Matthew

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:16:33 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

Being tougn on error is one thing -- resorting to violence is another (slashing off peoples' ears, killing non-Catholics).

It is not charity to let someone live on in error -- however, fraternal correction must be done with prudence. It must be done with humility, tact, and knowing that the person might listen to you.

Matthew

I was thinking something along those line myself too, Matthew.

Ancilla_Indigna · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:41:37 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

Being tougn on error is one thing -- resorting to violence is another (slashing off peoples' ears, killing non-Catholics).

It is not charity to let someone live on in error -- however, fraternal correction must be done with prudence. It must be done with humility, tact, and knowing that the person might listen to you.

Matthew

The thing about that is, you don't always know who might listen to you, when it is a forum, since there's more than one person present. Even those that are present often put on a fascade to pretend to be something they are not just to win over 'friends'.