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Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: spouse of Jesus on August 13, 2009, 04:50:04 AM
  In a trad website there was a picture of 2 seminarians kissing, the website concluded that they were guilty of sodomy!
  I wonder if it is sinful for people of the same gender to kiss one an other. It is a costom here in my country, and men embrace, shake hands and kiss when they meet, so do womem, And nobody thinks it is bad.
  Is it really sinful?
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: clare on August 13, 2009, 07:21:14 AM
That'd be one of those instances where custom does make a difference to the morality of an act, I guess.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Dylan on August 13, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
No, that is not sinful. Even people in Biblical days practiced that custom. I'm 25% Italian, and I know this is also a custom in Italy, and probably in other Mediterranean countries too.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Irenaeus on August 13, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
It all depends on the circumstances.  If a father kisses his son on the cheek, then it's not sinful (it's still gross in my book).  If two sodomites kiss on the lips, then that would be mortally sinful. :shocked:
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Alex on August 13, 2009, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 In a trad website there was a picture of 2 seminarians kissing, the website concluded that they were guilty of sodomy!
  I wonder if it is sinful for people of the same gender to kiss one an other. It is a costom here in my country, and men embrace, shake hands and kiss when they meet, so do womem, And nobody thinks it is bad.
  Is it really sinful?


In the Muslim Arab world it is also the custom for males to hold hands as a sign of friendship and affection. Personally, I think it's disgusting - I don't care if it is the custom. Christian Arab men only kiss each other on the cheek, however - like the Europeans do.

Here's former President Bush holding hands and kissing with the king of Saudi Arabia. I'm sure he must have felt very awkward.  :laugh1:

(http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123063/2111846/2116263/050426_BUSH-ABDULLAH_ex.jpg)

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/codename_009/BushKissingSaudiPrince.jpg?t=1241818398)
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Classiccom on August 14, 2009, 12:03:04 AM
 George seems to be enjoying that a bit too much !
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Jacafamala on August 14, 2009, 05:41:00 AM
Eeeew, right on the lips like that. That's gross. I don't even kiss my children on the lips, only the cheek. I'm sorry, I'm too Irish for that. I'll have none of  it.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: spouse of Jesus on August 14, 2009, 02:31:24 PM
  In my culture, people around you are categorized into two groups:
1- mahrams: People among whom there is a marriage impediment :all people of your own gender plus those of the opposite sex who are your: parent,siblings, aunts/ancles,grandparents,grand children,spouse,grand aunts/uncles, also your father in law and mother in law. Also every young child and the family who may have nursed you as a baby.

2-not mahrams: People who don't have a marriage impediment with you.

Now, kissing, embracing, shaking and holding hands and even looking at the body of people of group 1 (exluding the reproductive organs) is allowed on the condition that you don't do it in order to get carnal pleasure. (With spouses it is different)
 about the 2nd group: one must have head covering and not to touch any part of their body.(unless it is an emergency)

Why are you annoyed at two men kissing but not at 2 stranger man and woman kissing???? Sin can exist in both cases and most of people are heteroes. therefore the latter has more chance of leading one to sin.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Alex on August 14, 2009, 05:32:23 PM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 
Why are you annoyed at two men kissing but not at 2 stranger man and woman kissing???? Sin can exist in both cases and most of people are heteroes. therefore the latter has more chance of leading one to sin.


A man kissing another man on the lips is not natural. A man kissing a woman on the lips is natural. I don't think a boyfriend/girlfriend giving each other a quick kiss on the lips will lead one to temptation. It's only the prolonged kissing that would lead to temptation.

This custom of holding hands and kissing came about as a result of the Arab Muslim culture that segregated men and women. Men spend a lot of time together and so emotions and feelings were re-directed to each other. That is how the custom came about.


Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Jacafamala on August 14, 2009, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 In my culture, people around you are categorized into two groups:
1- mahrams: People among whom there is a marriage impediment :all people of your own gender plus those of the opposite sex who are your: parent,siblings, aunts/ancles,grandparents,grand children,spouse,grand aunts/uncles, also your father in law and mother in law. Also every young child and the family who may have nursed you as a baby.

2-not mahrams: People who don't have a marriage impediment with you.

Now, kissing, embracing, shaking and holding hands and even looking at the body of people of group 1 (exluding the reproductive organs) is allowed on the condition that you don't do it in order to get carnal pleasure. (With spouses it is different)
 about the 2nd group: one must have head covering and not to touch any part of their body.(unless it is an emergency)

Why are you annoyed at two men kissing but not at 2 stranger man and woman kissing???? Sin can exist in both cases and most of people are heteroes. therefore the latter has more chance of leading one to sin.


It's just another culture, don't let it worry you. To the normal Western mind, it's reeeally freaky.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Jacafamala on August 14, 2009, 07:32:56 PM
In fact, that's got to be a fake picture. I can't even really believe that George W would kiss a man, much less hold hands with a man. It's all a gag.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Alex on August 14, 2009, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: Jacafamala
In fact, that's got to be a fake picture. I can't even really believe that George W would kiss a man, much less hold hands with a man. It's all a gag.


Maybe the kissing one is fake, but the holding hands one is definitely real - it was on the news.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: sedetrad on August 14, 2009, 11:11:36 PM
The kissing one is fake but the holding hands picture is quite real.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: spouse of Jesus on August 14, 2009, 11:42:04 PM
  Is it just culture or there is a Catholic teaching about this?
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Telesphorus on August 15, 2009, 06:25:47 AM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 Is it just culture or there is a Catholic teaching about this?


Just culture.  A kiss need not be lascivious in any way.

Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: radtrad on August 15, 2009, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 In a trad website there was a picture of 2 seminarians kissing, the website concluded that they were guilty of sodomy!
  I wonder if it is sinful for people of the same gender to kiss one an other. It is a costom here in my country, and men embrace, shake hands and kiss when they meet, so do womem, And nobody thinks it is bad.
  Is it really sinful?


It depends on the context as well.  Why are they kissing?  Is it in the context of a greeting or what?  This would help to determine. Secondly, kissing is not sodomy.  What website were you referring to?

Robert
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: spouse of Jesus on August 15, 2009, 11:27:06 PM
  It was TIA. My intention for making this thread was not to tell if trad websites were right or wrong (that kissing on TIA was horrible!) I just wanted to know if there was a ban on such things in catholicism.
Title: an asian custom that shocks westerners
Post by: Alex on August 22, 2009, 04:45:28 AM
There is nothing wrong with a man kissing another man on the cheek as a greeting. In fact, Judas used a kiss to betray Jesus (it was the custom and still in the East to to greet with a kiss).

But a man should not be kissing another man on the lips, It is abormal behavior for a man's nature.