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Offline jman123

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« on: February 16, 2012, 01:44:05 PM »
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  • What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?


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    « Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 01:50:20 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?

    There are many things they do that are praiseworthy.

    In what way might trads imitate them though? And which group of Amish are we talking about, anyway (some are more "liberal" than others)?


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    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 03:46:01 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?

    There are many things they do that are praiseworthy.

    In what way might trads imitate them though? And which group of Amish are we talking about, anyway (some are more "liberal" than others)?

    the conservative ones

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    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 05:59:04 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?

    There are many things they do that are praiseworthy.

    In what way might trads imitate them though? And which group of Amish are we talking about, anyway (some are more "liberal" than others)?

    the conservative ones



    There is no need to imitate the Amish. Catholics were around more than a millennia before they every popped onto the scene. We have plenty of saints to look to for imitation.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 07:44:02 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?


    It's already been done.  Wander around this site...

    http://plaincatholic.webs.com/

    Living in a state where are a few Amish communities exist, I can tell you they're not all as holy as one might think.  Their nickname for anyone who is not Amish is, the English.  And it's not uncommon for them to speak Pennsylvania Dutch in front of you so you don't know what they're talking about.  Rather rude, don't you think?


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    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 09:17:52 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?

    There are many things they do that are praiseworthy.

    In what way might trads imitate them though? And which group of Amish are we talking about, anyway (some are more "liberal" than others)?


    The liberal ones are liberal only when compared to other Amish.   :smile:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 11:38:37 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?


    This is the wrong question. It's not about imitation. Rather it should be, "Are you called to simplify your life and wardrobe so that you can be a witness to Anabaptists including the Amish, Brethren, Hutterites and Mennonites?" That's what the Plain Catholics do. They're not imitating the Amish.  

    The Plain Catholics create common ground for witnessing to them as well as teaching the faith to their own families while providing them with wholesome food. They're also willing to learn the low German spoken by many of the Anabaptist groups in order to converse with them.

    Everyone is called to live their lives in accordance with God's will. Whatever you're particular ministry or charism you're called to, you should pursue it but without judging the ministry that other Catholics are called to.

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    And it's not uncommon for them to speak Pennsylvania Dutch in front of you so you don't know what they're talking about.  Rather rude, don't you think?

    Speaking your own language in front of another person is not rude. It's privacy. Why do you need to know their private affairs? The Catechism speaks against that kind of curiosity.
    In Jesus and Mary,
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    « Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 08:29:38 AM »
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    Speaking your own language in front of another person is not rude. It's privacy. Why do you need to know their private affairs? The Catechism speaks against that kind of curiosity.[/quote]

    One shouldn't expect privacy at a cash resister in a busy hardware store.  Having worked in retail for a number of years, I didn't speak about private matters to co-workers in front of customers.  I agree that a simple life style is the way Catholics should live, it's how Our Blessed Lord lived.  But why would Catholics choose to imitate Anabaptists in dress, hair style and for the men, beards?  As s2rea said, we Traditional Catholics have plenty of saints to look to for imitation of a simple lifestyle.  I think that the plain Catholics have the right idea, but are imitating the wrong people.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 09:00:47 AM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?


    It's already been done.  Wander around this site...

    http://plaincatholic.webs.com/

    Living in a state where are a few Amish communities exist, I can tell you they're not all as holy as one might think.  Their nickname for anyone who is not Amish is, the English.  And it's not uncommon for them to speak Pennsylvania Dutch in front of you so you don't know what they're talking about.  Rather rude, don't you think?


    The site was very interesting.I am not sure that specifically imitating Amish clothing is wise, although simplicity and modesty certainly are.

    Does this spirituality produce many vocations?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 09:34:18 AM »
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  • They are not imitating anyone and for you to say so is a gross assumption. You need to go read their website on their clothing and read it thoroughly. They are wearing simple farm clothing that reflects modesty standards. All simplified clothing looks the same. All wide brimmed hats look essentially the same. Their ministry to the Anabaptists has bridged the gap and even now, some Mennonites are converting to the Church because of their simple living witness.

    Vocations to married life and the religious life have come from their group. Vocations encompass the full spectrum of human devotion. The fruit of their efforts has been beneficial over the years. Evangelization takes time but it is bearing good fruit for the greater glory of Christ and His Church.
    In Jesus and Mary,
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    « Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 09:38:07 AM »
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    Speaking your own language in front of another person is not rude. It's privacy. Why do you need to know their private affairs? The Catechism speaks against that kind of curiosity.


    One shouldn't expect privacy at a cash resister in a busy hardware store.  Having worked in retail for a number of years, I didn't speak about private matters to co-workers in front of customers.   [/quote]

    People whisper in public to keep matters private. If you had the means to discuss something privately in your own language be it American Sign language or low German you would do it. Clearly, when someone begins to speak in their own language to another, they are indicating to you that your participation in the conversation is finished. That is the time to gracefully take your leave out of courtesy.

    In short, it's a signal that your participation in the convo is finished. In this electronic age of freewheeling forums, those simple signals in conversation are rarely understood anymore. But they do exist and need to be respected as well as controlling your own need to know what everyone is saying as a form of unhealthy curiosity as described by the Catechism.
    In Jesus and Mary,
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    « Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 07:29:55 PM »
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  • It makes little sense to "imitate" the Amish by joining the Plain Catholic movement or whatnot unless you actually have some sort of claim to roots in that cultural tradition. Can you picture a Chinaman speaking Cantonese dressed in one those Pilgrim-costumes?

    Traditional Catholic culture is about preserving cultural continuity - not trying to invent new ones or "rediscover" imaginary cultural connections that never existed.

    Though I haven't really put much effort into researching the merits of the various "back-to-the-land" movements, it seems that they are not necessary for a modern-day Catholic to live out a vocation in the world. (I may add that I have no spouse or children to support) A part of this seems to be a wishful "grass-is-always-greener" type of thinking. Though this maxim is not always true, Matteo Ricci writes: "By changing your habitation, how can you change yourself?".  If you can't live a good Catholic life in the world (even in a big city), don't expect that by jumping on a covered wagon and heading into the woods that you'll be transformed into a saint all of a sudden. If anything, living in an (sub-)urban area can be a blessing to a traditional Catholic family. You can get supplies more easily and worry more about your spiritual life; close to a church one can frequent the Sacraments and participate in parish life more often. Living off of your own farm at the mercy of the weather is not the only way to resign yourself to Providence.

    One can become a saint within the confines of an apartment in downtown Los Angeles. Lao-tzu writes:
     
    Without going out of your door,
    you can know the world.
    Without peeping through your window,
    You can see the Way of Heaven.
    The farther you go,
    The less you know.
    Thus, the Sage knows without travelling,
    Sees without looking,
    And achieves without fussing.



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    « Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 09:28:28 PM »
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    What do you think on the amish way of life and how should trads imitate them or not?


    It's already been done.  Wander around this site...

    http://plaincatholic.webs.com/


    Wow. Now I believe I really have seen everything.


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    « Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 10:14:44 PM »
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    They are not imitating anyone and for you to say so is a gross assumption. You need to go read their website on their clothing and read it thoroughly. They are wearing simple farm clothing that reflects modesty standards. All simplified clothing looks the same. All wide brimmed hats look essentially the same. Their ministry to the Anabaptists has bridged the gap and even now, some Mennonites are converting to the Church because of their simple living witness.

    Vocations to married life and the religious life have come from their group. Vocations encompass the full spectrum of human devotion. The fruit of their efforts has been beneficial over the years. Evangelization takes time but it is bearing good fruit for the greater glory of Christ and His Church.


    Magnus,

    You are right.  I did not read carefully enough.  My apologies.  I am delighted to here that they have built a effective bridge to Mennonites.

    Thanks for the information about vocations.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 12:43:14 AM »
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  • I love it! I just sent it to my Active Catholic Group Email. Most of them are so far from this type of lifestyle. After going to that plain catholic website I thought WOW. There are still Catholics out there not TAINTED  with the world.

    I just had some mennonite dresses made for my daughter (sorry cant sew). I love the modesty and the influence on my family. I have decided to get some custom clothes made and make them plain and simple not necessarily mennonite.

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    Not sure if I could be totally Plain catholic but now I know why I get along better with Mennonites than with almost all NO Catholics. Now I see some of these plain Catholics are NO but thankfully some are of the old tridentene mentality.

    Lately Ive been getting a sense of God wanting us HOT or COLD and I can see why. No more sitting on the fence with fashion, music, entertainment, lifestyle, etc

    Phil 4 I believe says WHATEVER IS HOLY, WHATEVER IS GOOD MEDITATE ON THESE THINGS to that effect anyways.

    The rate at which the garbage contanimates us is overwhelming. When you have children you tend to be a little protective. Have not met hardly any wholesome, simplistic, alive in the faith Catholics so yeah this put a smile on my face. YOU CATHOLICS ARE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.

    Gotta go so much to do so little time to do it in.

    YOUR FRIENDLY CANADIAN , Annie :farmer: