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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Rock on May 19, 2023, 11:43:44 PM
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The Great satan
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As stated, the claim you make is false.
Patriotism is simply love of our country and is in fact a moral obligation.
You are confusing American patriotism with the heresy of "Americanism", which has been condemned by the Church. Obviously as Catholics we must reject Americanism.
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I don't believe it is because Americans understand patriotism falsely. If I said loving america undermines the catholic faith it would be false.
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As stated, the claim you make is false.
Patriotism is simply love of our country and is in fact a moral obligation.
You are confusing American patriotism with the heresy of "Americanism", which has been condemned by the Church. Obviously as Catholics we must reject Americanism.
Huh? Obligation according to who? In what way?
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I want to add USA was founded by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ with what at the time were very liberal ideals, and what we're seeing today is the logical conclusion of those ideas.
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St. Thomas Aquinas explains:
Article 1. Whether piety extends to particular human individuals?
Objection 1. It seems that piety does not extend to particular human (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm) individuals. For Augustine (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02084a.htm) says (De Civ. Dei x) that piety denotes, properly speaking, the worship of God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm), which the Greeks designate by the term eusebeia. But the worship of God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) does not denote relation to man (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm), but only to God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm). Therefore piety does not extend definitely to certain human (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm) individuals (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07762a.htm).
Objection 2. Further, Gregory (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06780a.htm) says (Moral. i): "Piety, on her day, provides a banquet, because she fills the inmost recesses of the heart with works of mercy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm)." Now the works of mercy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm) are to be done to all, according to Augustine (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02084a.htm) (De Doctr. Christ. i). Therefore piety does not extend definitely to certain special persons (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11726a.htm).
Objection 3. Further, in human (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm) affairs there are many other mutual relations besides those of kindred and citizenship, as the Philosopher (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01713a.htm) states (Ethic. viii, 11,12), and on each of them is founded a kind of friendship, which would seem to be the virtue (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15472a.htm) of piety, according to a gloss (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06586a.htm) on 2 Timothy 3:5 (https://www.newadvent.org/bible/2ti003.htm#verse5), "Having an appearance indeed of piety [Douay (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05140a.htm): 'godliness (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07386a.htm)']." Therefore piety extends not only to one's kindred and fellow-citizens.
On the contrary, Tully says (De Invent. Rhet. ii) that "it is by piety that we do our duty (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05215a.htm) towards our kindred and well-wishers of our country and render them faithful service."
I answer that, Man becomes a debtor to other men in various ways, according to their various excellence and the various benefits received from them. on both counts God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) holds first place, for He is supremely excellent, and is for us the first principle of being and government. On the second place, the principles of our being and government are our parents and our country, that have given us birth and nourishment. Consequently man (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09580c.htm) is debtor chiefly to his parents and his country, after God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm). Wherefore just as it belongs to religion to give worship to God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm), so does it belong to piety, in the second place, to give worship to one's parents and one's country.
The worship due to our parents includes the worship given to all our kindred, since our kinsfolk (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05782a.htm) are those who descend from the same parents, according to the Philosopher (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01713a.htm) (Ethic. viii, 12). The worship given to our country includes homage to all our fellow-citizens and to all the friends of our country. Therefore piety extends chiefly to these.
Reply to Objection 1. The greater includes the lesser: wherefore the worship due to God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) includes the worship due to our parents as a particular. Hence it is written (Malachi 1:6 (https://www.newadvent.org/bible/mal001.htm#verse6)): "If I be a father, where is My honor (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07462a.htm)?" Consequently the term piety extends also to the divine worship.
Reply to Objection 2. As Augustine (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02084a.htm) says (De Civ. Dei x), "the term piety is often used in connection with works of mercy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10198d.htm), in the language of the common people; the reason for which I consider to be the fact that God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) Himself has declared that these works are more pleasing to Him than sacrifices (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13309a.htm). This custom has led to the application of the word 'pious' to God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) Himself."
Reply to Objection 3. The relations of a man with his kindred and fellow-citizens are more referable to the principles of his being than other relations: wherefore the term piety is more applicable to them.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3101.htm
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Patriotism requires that the citizen should have a reasonable esteem and love for his country. He should be prepared to sacrifice himself for her welfare. In his country's need it is not only a noble thing, but it is a sacred duty to lay down one's life for the safety of the commonwealth.
American patriotism means something different. Love of a satanic constitution. Love of a system of Government.
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Not only a question there, but if the government is forcing military personnel and other "human resources" to be vaccinated, it (or something like it) undermines health, and then consider the Federal Reserve Bank and what damage it does to the equity and credit of the country.
The operational basis of the "good", whatever it is, always deserves to be examined closely.
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I should love my country if it became communist. It actually has. Doesn't mean Ill use karl marxes manifesto as a pillow.
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Not to be grotesque or shocking but the US govenment today makes money on aborted baby parts. I've read this and the news of it was credible.
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The United States was founded on liberalism as you said why I say American patriotism undermines the catholic faith. It seems to me this is where americanism comes from. It is a moral duty to love your country. It's apparent the love American catholics have for the united states is perverse.
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As stated, the claim you make is false.
Patriotism is simply love of our country and is in fact a moral obligation.
You are confusing American patriotism with the heresy of "Americanism", which has been condemned by the Church. Obviously as Catholics we must reject Americanism.
I’m guessing patriotism is contingent upon the moral goodness of the country, since there could be no moral obligation to love evil?
Or, is there a distinction to be made between “country” and “government?”
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Where I’m from, you are born democrat first and Catholic second. This political party is an occult. Even I was brainwashed.
I can’t love my country when it causes harm to its people and people in other lands. The first people to USA were Catholics. Many Catholics fought and died for freedom while men who were Freemason atheists formed our government. We should make God a priority in all our daily lives. They removed God from everything. Freedom. Never included satanism and sodomy. USA Christians became lukewarm.
Many wars the USA was involved in wasnt about freedom. It was about money and power which makes the world slaves to satan.
If the USA and countries around the world turned back to God, God will provide nations with peace. But our true home isn’t the Homelands. Our goal should be to get home to Heaven.
Restore all things in Christ.
King of the Universe.
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Where I’m from, you are born democrat first and Catholic second. This political party is an occult. Even I was brainwashed.
They removed God from everything.
I remember way back in public school during the 1970s, on Wednesday afternoons the Catholic kids were bused off to CCD during the year leading up to their first Sacraments, while the rest of the kids got arts and crafts instead. In fifth grade one day we had a vocabulary lesson and the teacher asked for the definition of "confirmation". So of course, I shot up my hand and offered the catechesis definition. The hippy feminist teacher rolled her eyes, smirked, and called on some apostate or infidel child for the "correct" definition. Until I reverted much later, I never understood the damage such instances did to so many of us back then. Millstones...
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I’m guessing patriotism is contingent upon the moral goodness of the country, since there could be no moral obligation to love evil?
Or, is there a distinction to be made between “country” and “government?”
I think there is. Thank you for raising this point. I heard a recording of the Jan. 6 prisoners singing the National Anthem as they do every night -- although they are being unjustly detained without due process by the corrupt deep state. They still love what this nation once stood for, in spite of the current corruption.
A parrallel might be that we still love our Holy Church in spite of the current leadership.
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I think there is. Thank you for raising this point. I heard a recording of the Jan. 6 prisoners singing the National Anthem as they do every night -- although they are being unjustly detained without due process by the corrupt deep state. They still love what this nation once stood for, in spite of the current corruption.
A parrallel might be that we still love our Holy Church in spite of the current leadership.
And what did the US once stand for? Freedom of speech? Religion? These are ideas that many Pope's have spoken out against.
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People infected with Americanism believe that we need to restore the US to its original values(MAGA) and that said values and way of life are compatible with Catholic civilization- they are not.
On the other hand, puritanized, autistic, trad weirdos are incapable of distinguishing a nation from its government and laws. Thus, they maintain that when Americans are patriotic, they sin against the faith by promoting Masonic errors. I can love my countrymen and homeland(Pietas/patriotism) all while rejecting the Masonic ideals that currently establish my homeland's regime.