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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #720 on: April 01, 2011, 12:52:07 AM »
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    With that reasoning -- and I totally disagree with your reasoning --


    How can you disagree that a man who marries an older woman is more likely to be tempted when his wife loses her looks?  More likely to be tempted when younger attractive women still show interest in him, but his wife is no longer pretty?

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    why would you presume any young lady would be willing to marry an older man?


    Because she is attracted to him.  Because he is not nearing the end of his fertility.

    It's not disordered to point out that it's far more common for older men to marry younger women than vice-versa.  The reason for that is mutual attraction.

    Men and women are not the same, they don't age the same way, they have different psychologies.

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    « Reply #721 on: April 01, 2011, 12:57:25 AM »
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    Why do many middle aged men leave the women they married when they were young?  


    They have no fear of God.

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    Why do women worry about losing their looks?  

    Why do women my age get worried about finding a husband while they still can?


    I'm not sure as I've never thought along these lines. My guess would be that they've been overly programmed to believe that their looks determine their worth. If I'd have ever thought that, I'd have been terribly depressed from day one.  :wink:

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    Why shouldn't a man want to have the best years of his wife's life?


    The best years of her life will be those spent with her loving husband, no matter their ages.


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    « Reply #722 on: April 01, 2011, 01:02:48 AM »
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    They have no fear of God.


    That is their motivation? Do you think if their wife was young and pretty they would be tempted the same way?  Do you think if their wife had become unattractive they would not experience more temptation?

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    Why do women worry about losing their looks?  

    Why do women my age get worried about finding a husband while they still can?

    I'm not sure as I've never thought along these lines. My guess would be that they've been overly programmed to believe that their looks determine their worth. If I'd have ever thought that, I'd have been terribly depressed from day one.  


    Their looks don't determine their worth - they determine in part how attractive they are.  Should someone marry someone they do not find attractive? Can anyone think that's generally a wise idea?

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    The best years of her life will be those spent with her loving husband, no matter their ages.


    Now that's just silly.  It's like saying that there's no difference between youth and age.  Can anyone really seriously argue that older people are in better condition, have more to look forward to in this life, than younger people?  I mean really, try to be reasonable.

    If you speak of it that way it wouldn't matter when anyone gets married (after they are sufficiently "mature" of course)

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    « Reply #723 on: April 01, 2011, 01:06:33 AM »
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    With that reasoning -- and I totally disagree with your reasoning --


    How can you disagree that a man who marries an older woman is more likely to be tempted when his wife loses her looks?  More likely to be tempted when younger attractive women still show interest in him, but his wife is no longer pretty?

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    why would you presume any young lady would be willing to marry an older man?


    Because she is attracted to him.  Because he is not nearing the end of his fertility.

    It's not disordered to point out that it's far more common for older men to marry younger women than vice-versa.  The reason for that is mutual attraction.

    Men and women are not the same, they don't age the same way, they have different psychologies.


    You are very right about one thing -- men and women are not the same. The young girl would more readily consider the older man because she's not all that concerned with his appearance. She's attracted to the love and concern he shows for her. Women who claim to primarily be interested in looks have been excessively programmed by the media.

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    « Reply #724 on: April 01, 2011, 01:07:22 AM »
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    The young girl would more readily consider the older man because she's not all that concerned with his appearance. She's attracted to the love and concern he shows for her. Women who claim to primarily be interested in looks have been excessively programmed by the media.


    I disagree - many older men are very handsome and attractive to younger women.  

    I've been in both positions - the position of a man where he's invisible to women, and the position where they find him attractive.

    The difference in the way women treat you  is night and day.  Literally night and day - women are incredibly rude to men they don't find handsome - and they are incredibly responsive to men they do find handsome - more than I imagined - (even though when I was a teenager I got a good deal of attention from girls for a time - it was nothing compared to when I was older and I lost weight - nearly every woman would greet me with a smile - when I took the LSAT I was rather shocked at the expressions women would give me)

    That was one nice thing about the girls at the SSPX - it took time for them to start reacting to me that way.  They were reserved, which was good.


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    « Reply #725 on: April 01, 2011, 01:12:59 AM »
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    The young girl would more readily consider the older man because she's not all that concerned with his appearance. She's attracted to the love and concern he shows for her. Women who claim to primarily be interested in looks have been excessively programmed by the media.


    I disagree - many older men are very handsome and attractive to younger women.  


    They might very well be, but that's not why she'll marry him.

    Some more anecdotal evidence for you... Two of my college friends, both much cuter than myself, married objectively ugly men. Neither of them had problems finding boyfriends, but the men they ultimately chose were due to their personalty, not their looks.

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    « Reply #726 on: April 01, 2011, 01:50:11 AM »
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    The young girl would more readily consider the older man because she's not all that concerned with his appearance. She's attracted to the love and concern he shows for her. Women who claim to primarily be interested in looks have been excessively programmed by the media.


    I disagree - many older men are very handsome and attractive to younger women.  

    I've been in both positions - the position of a man where he's invisible to women, and the position where they find him attractive.

    The difference in the way women treat you  is night and day.  Literally night and day - women are incredibly rude to men they don't find handsome - and they are incredibly responsive to men they do find handsome - more than I imagined - (even though when I was a teenager I got a good deal of attention from girls for a time - it was nothing compared to when I was older and I lost weight - nearly every woman would greet me with a smile - when I took the LSAT I was rather shocked at the expressions women would give me)

    That was one nice thing about the girls at the SSPX - it took time for them to start reacting to me that way.  They were reserved, which was good.


    Here's my theory ... first, you're dealing with two different groups of women: worldly women who were rude to you and Catholic women who were not ... second, your attidude about yourself changed as your appearance changed -- a more confidant man is going to get noticed and have more attention given to him than a shy, unconfidant man. Additionally, you don't even have to open your mouth for a bit of confidence to be noticeable; a confident person carries themself differently.

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    « Reply #727 on: April 01, 2011, 07:17:15 AM »
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    Here's my theory ... first, you're dealing with two different groups of women: worldly women who were rude to you and Catholic women who were not ...


    The girls at church did not pay much attention to me for quite some time.  They did not talk to me.  I did not talk to them.  I lost more than 25 lbs after joining the church.

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    second, your attidude about yourself changed as your appearance changed -- a more confidant man is going to get noticed and have more attention given to him than a shy, unconfidant man. Additionally, you don't even have to open your mouth for a bit of confidence to be noticeable; a confident person carries themself differently.


    Judging by the language learning social networking site I belong to - the picture is enough to get plenty of adds - I never add anyone - I'm quite shy.

    I think a person's inner well-being does have quite an effect - and it is true that I was doing very well compared to before - really improving in almost all ways - so that might have played a role.


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    « Reply #728 on: April 01, 2011, 08:21:56 AM »
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  • First of all, MaterDominici- you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your input and rational insight.

    Second of all- Telephorous- I may be a "dirt bag" as you say, but you, sir, you are a total undeniably perfect reused douche-bag. To presume that you can demand an apology from anyone is absurd. You have serious mental issues. (sorry for the size but its warranted) You will blame these on worldly influences, no doubt, yet you really are are a mentally unstable superficial person. I am not perfect, but you need to see a priest asap and get some counseling. You are sick- not because you like 17 year olds- that would be a blessing if that was the only thing about you, since its not really immoral, just a matter of taste. But you are sick in the head because you are a rebel cowboy who is self-centered and act as if you're still stuck to his mommy's teet- "They need to apologize to me.. waaa.." "they did me wrong... waaa" "I'm right I'm right I'm right!.... waaa". Are you kidding me dude?! Do you believe this stuff?? If not, please tell me, and I will surely have a great laugh with you- heck- for such a good laugh I'd buy you a beer!

    The sspx isn't perfect- far from it. But their formation and efforts brings about many holy priests, and in my opinion, a great deal of good into this unholy world. Yet you presume you are here now, in this world, to bring about change to the largest traditional group around. Well guess what dude- you are a sicko- again this has nothing to do with you liking young girls. It has to do with the fact that you really seem to have a great deal of mental power- yes very intelligent. Yet you are unable to process things any normal adult would and you certainly can not be wrong. You alone are right- like Luther- you alone know everything- like Luther.  You are a protestant- you just have the luxury to act as if you're still a member of the Church due to the crisis we're in. Well- that apology you want- you can stuff it.

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    « Reply #729 on: April 01, 2011, 08:26:55 AM »
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  • Oh and by the way- I found a new society you can join since the sspx doesn't bow down and send you the fruits of its labor in the form of beautiful women and priests wouldn't let you write their sermons as you'd like.

    Its called: The Society of St. Pius Calumniators. Look em up. They'd love to have you- heck- they'd make you a bishop.

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    « Reply #730 on: April 01, 2011, 08:44:59 AM »
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    You have serious mental issues


    That's basically what it comes down with you people.  I get kicked out of church by a lying priest who threatened to kick me out for attempting to contact another adult, and people like you want to brand me a "freak" a "mental" case.

    It's all about casting doubt on everything about me, taunting me, insulting me.  

    You love these little cult priests no matter what they do - and you want to be their little bully boy.

    You're a bad Christian.  You aren't coming back to this thread to defend "calumniated" priests that I haven't even named.  You're coming here to slander me.

    You have never once been interested in a rational discussion.  From the very beginning you tried to tar me as "gross" for liking a young woman.

    You're malignant.


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    « Reply #731 on: April 01, 2011, 08:53:22 AM »
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  • When cults want to get rid of people - they do two things to defend themselves -

    #1 - they tell lies about the person they want to get rid of
    #2  - they try to brand the person they're getting rid of as being "mentally ill"

    Let's recall that the SSPX was sued by a man in Post Falls and the jury awarded the man hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages - because the SSPX priest worked to sabotage his relationship with his wife - to label him a mental case, and to cause him to be ostracized.

    This is standard behavior for cults - not for Christians.

    Christians don't lie - they don't feel the need to taunt.

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    « Reply #732 on: April 01, 2011, 08:59:01 AM »
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  • That 17/18 year old girl isn't your wife.  You weren't even in a relationship with her.  You only had a brief conversation once! (according to you)

    I disagree with s2srea that you have serious mental issues, but you definitely lack any kind of social skills.  I was a little sympathetic to your case when I first read about it 71 pages ago, but I've grown tired of your whining and bitching.  You're a grown man.  Either man up and sue the SSPX for harassing you if it was that bad or just drop it.  Stop being a whining, wannabe Keyboard Kommando.  Your bitching has eroded all your good will with the vast majority of us.
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    « Reply #733 on: April 01, 2011, 08:59:02 AM »
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  • Jehanne said it well:

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    "  In some respects, I have to be thankful for the NO priests a bit, because if every priest acted like some SSPX priests, the Catholic Church would be reduced to a single, squabbling, backbiting parish where no one gets along with each other.  I appreciate very much the liturgical and doctrinal orthodoxy of the SSPX (although, with respect to the latter, I think that they are overstepping their bounds somewhat) and especially their commitment to the moral and traditional law, but not their bad attitudes.




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    « Reply #734 on: April 01, 2011, 09:02:10 AM »
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    You have serious mental issues


    That's basically what it comes down with you people.  I get kicked out of church by a lying priest who threatened to kick me out for attempting to contact another adult, and people like you want to brand me a "freak" a "mental" case.

    It's all about casting doubt on everything about me, taunting me, insulting me.  

    You love these little cult priests no matter what they do - and you want to be their little bully boy.


    You're a bad Christian.  You aren't coming back to this thread to defend "calumniated" priests that I haven't even named.  You're coming here to slander me.

    You have never once been interested in a rational discussion.  From the very beginning you tried to tar me as "gross" for liking a young woman.

    You're malignant.


    You are making your way down a deep dark hole, but you are not happy/satisfied doing it alone.  You are grabbing out to drag the Society priests, the girl's father, and even people in forums,  trying to take them down with you.

    I will repeat,  Get Some Help.