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ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #75 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:38:55 PM »

But that gives Tele no reason to call me a devil. And he wasn't "blackballed". I actually think Tele may be a worse poster than roscoe (if that's even possible). So again, don't be surprised if you see Tele banned when Matthew sees this thread.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #76 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:41:57 PM »

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But that gives Tele no reason to call me a devil.

It certainly does. What part of falsely claiming that I hit on a 14 year old girl is not devilish? Even if it were negligence it shows you can't read and are utterly irresponsible in your comments.

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And he wasn't "blackballed".

And you know that how? The same way you claimed to know that the girl in question was 14?

Jehanne · « **Reply #77 on:** March 21, 2011, 09:45:30 PM »

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But that gives Tele no reason to call me a devil.

It certainly does. What part of falsely claiming that I hit on a 14 year old girl is not devilish? Even if it were negligence it shows you can't read and are utterly irresponsible in your comments.

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And he wasn't "blackballed".

And you know that how? The same way you claimed to know that the girl in question was 14?

I have told you this before, but you need to move on. You're a good man, and there is a traditional Catholic woman waiting for you. My wife and I met through a dating service. So what? It's a "numbers game," and a dating service will help you "cut to the chase." There are young, beautiful traditional Catholic women who are looking to get married and good men like yourself who are ready to marry them. Don't wait; life is short, Heaven is long, so if I was you, I would "get to work" on this ASAP.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #78 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:11:11 PM »

I wonder if Matthew could change the title of this thread to
A question for Ann Landers. . . .

Raoul76 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:11:57 PM »

Okay, Spiritus, think for a second. You accuse me of being prejudiced towards sedevacantism ( guilty ), as if this is why I took Tele's side ( not guilty. )

( 1 ) I disagree with Tele that this incident proves that SSPX is a "cult." He'd have to go to several chapels and have the same kind of experience before being able to prove that.

( 2 ) Tele's dilemma has nothing to do with SSPX vs. sedevacantism for me. Didn't I just say earlier in this thread, over and over, that there is gossip in sede chapels, that there was gossip before Vatican II, that this is as old as human weakness itself?

People need to get something through their skulls here and now: Sedevacantism is a theological position, and the SSPX has an opposed theological position. But this has NOTHING, but do you hear me, O willfully deaf ones out there, NOTHING to do with the faults of various priests on either side, whether they be at SGG or SSPX.

Who do you think is the real non-objective one here, Spiritus? I was the one who opened this whole debate by challenging Tele on the holes in his story. Before I did that, the majority of the sympathy was already on his side -- at least Jehanne, the only other major participant in this thread, was on his side, asking no questions.

If I just wanted to flatter Tele, who is on the verge of sedevacantism, why didn't I just say right away "Oh, SSPX is evil, get out of there?" In fact, last night I worried I was driving him away from sedevacantism by confronting him.

Yet you instantly defend the SSPX chapelgoers without even caring to know the details. I guess Tele isn't a Catholic, he doesn't deserve to have his side of the story told? Just cover everything up that doesn't reflect well on SSPX, is that it? Follow that logic a little deeper and see where it leads you -- right to the death of Christ, because that really is Pharisee stuff right there. That is to emulate people who would rather crucify Truth than listen to Him.

Tele is very emotional on this subject, and the way I saw it, there are two possible reasons for that. Either he is obsessed with this girl, or else he really was treated unfairly. I was trying to get a rough estimate which was really the case.

He went too far in attacking you, he should confess it. Basta.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #80 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:12:38 PM »

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I wonder if Matthew could change the title of this thread to
A question for Ann Landers. . . .

Myrna, we've had a society that has looked for direction from Jewesses like "Ann Landers" and "Abigail van Buren" for decades and that's why we're in this situation where people act like lunatics when the feminist consensus against early marriage is challenged.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #81 on:** March 21, 2011, 10:25:35 PM »

Tolstoy's hero Andrei Bolkonsky - in the eyes of this upside down pharisaic judaized world - he's a pervert !

MyrnaM · « **Reply #82 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:16:08 PM »

To be honest Telesphorus, I will tell you what I would tell my own son, forget the girl, it is obvious she is immature and she is playing games with you. All she wanted was your attention, and she got it! She needs to grow up before she would make a good wife and mother. The hurt you feel now is nothing to the hurt she might inflict on you if she were to get married at such a young age.

Maybe she was beautiful and cute and all, but it takes more than that to be a good wife and mother. If you want to wait till you are about 40 then she will be 26 and hopefully more mature.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #83 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:31:00 PM »

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To be honest Telesphorus, I will tell you what I would tell my own son, forget the girl, it is obvious she is immature and she is playing games with you. All she wanted was your attention, and she got it! She needs to grow up before she would make a good wife and mother. The hurt you feel now is nothing to the hurt she might inflict on you if she were to get married at such a young age.

Maybe she was beautiful and cute and all, but it takes more than that to be a good wife and mother. If you want to wait till you are about 40 then she will be 26 and hopefully more mature.

I think that's a very modern attitude to have Myrna. Sure, I'm sure she wanted attention. But I don't believe she's that cruel to tease me for a year - even I don't think that badly of her.

Frankly I don't think it's right that Catholic men are expected to wait until they are well-off to marry and then only to women who have already passed the bloom of youth. It's a cheat.

It's pure hypocrisy that girls are sent to dens of fornication called universities but are considered "too young' to marry - and "too young" even to talk after Church to some "old" 32 year old!

LM · « **Reply #84 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:47:29 PM »

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To be honest Telesphorus, I will tell you what I would tell my own son, forget the girl, it is obvious she is immature and she is playing games with you. All she wanted was your attention, and she got it! She needs to grow up before she would make a good wife and mother. The hurt you feel now is nothing to the hurt she might inflict on you if she were to get married at such a young age.

Maybe she was beautiful and cute and all, but it takes more than that to be a good wife and mother. If you want to wait till you are about 40 then she will be 26 and hopefully more mature.

I think that's a very modern attitude to have Myrna. Sure, I'm sure she wanted attention. But I don't believe she's that cruel to tease me for a year - even I don't think that badly of her.

Frankly I don't think it's right that Catholic men are expected to wait until they are well-off to marry and then only to women who have already passed the bloom of youth. It's a cheat.

Maybe not "well-off" in the sense of buying her a million dollar home, but a man should be in a position to be able to support wife and children.

Your last statement is cause for concern. What is this "passed the bloom of youth". You seem to be saying that a woman closer to your own age of 32/33 yrs, would be passed the "bloom of youth", kinda indicating that your eye is for younger girls.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #85 on:** March 21, 2011, 11:57:09 PM »

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You seem to be saying that a woman closer to your own age of 32/33 yrs, would be passed the "bloom of youth", kinda indicating that your eye is for younger girls.

A woman at 32 or 33 years old is nearing menopause LM.

To say she's near the bloom of youth is crazy.

I would have married a woman my age, or even older than me, if I was able marry her during her best years. But a woman who is my age is past her best years.

If a younger woman wants to marry me and I want to marry her only a pharisee can say it's wrong because of a 14 year age difference.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a man my age wanting to marry a young virgin. Nothing wrong at all.

There is something very insidious about this idea that a man should have no qualms about marrying a woman "whose clock is ticking" - and being expected to be a meal ticket for a woman.

In modern society the typical woman who married has given up her innocence and the best years of her life in contraceptive fornication - but suddenly a man is expected to "man up" and provide a very expensive home and provide for her wants and her children, now that she wants a family.

I want a young woman who wants a family. Two years ago I really believed my life was changing, things were getting better in every way, spiritually, materially, I really thought I was finally going to break free of this degraded situation.

But that dishonest pharisaical priest and those gossiping hens had to drive me out of Church and treat me like a monster for falling in love with a beautiful young girl.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #86 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:01:07 AM »

As for the money situation - yes - I'm poor. But that's no reason not to let me speak to her - I just wanted to get to know her. Money situations can change rapidly. I was very honest with people, and they kicked me in the teeth and judged me to be a loser for it.

I think it's funny you mentioned a "million dollar home."

Is a man not supposed to be married if he can't afford to buy a $250,000 home?

You know we're supposed to be Catholics - not bourgeois philistines. If these people cared about the Faith they would want the best Catholic daughters to be married by Catholic men who are near them in intelligence and looks - not by whether or not he managed to slave away for a suburban house whose value is grossly inflated.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #87 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:08:11 AM »

I've faced a lot of rejection in life for being an outspoken Catholic. Ultimately I am alone to blame for my poverty, but the fact remains that I have been denied many opportunities.

What really irks me the most, is that I get the sense some of these priests are not real Catholics. If a priest loses the Faith, what happens to him? Does he leave the Church? What if there's more in it for him to be a hypocritical subversive?

I didn't do anything to deserve being treated the way that priest treated me. I really have a hunch some of these priests are no longer really Catholics.

LM · « **Reply #88 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:17:07 AM »

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You seem to be saying that a woman closer to your own age of 32/33 yrs, would be passed the "bloom of youth", kinda indicating that your eye is for younger girls.

A woman at 32 or 33 years old is nearing menopause LM.

To say she's near the bloom of youth is crazy.

I would have married a woman my age, or even older than me, if I was able marry her during her best years. But a woman who is my age is past her best years.

If a younger woman wants to marry me and I want to marry her only a pharisee can say it's wrong because of a 14 year age difference.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a man my age wanting to marry a young virgin. Nothing wrong at all.

There is something very insidious about this idea that a man should have no qualms about marrying a woman "whose clock is ticking" - and being expected to be a meal ticket for a woman.

In modern society the typical woman who married has given up her innocence and the best years of her life in contraceptive fornication - but suddenly a man is expected to "man up" and provide a very expensive home and provide for her wants and her children, now that she wants a family.

I want a young woman who wants a family. Two years ago I really believed my life was changing, things were getting better in every way, spiritually, materially, I really thought I was finally going to break free of this degraded situation.

But those wicked pharisaical priest and those gossiping hens had to drive me out of Church and treat me like a monster for falling in love with a beautiful young girl.

A woman of 32/33 "past her best years" and "nearing menopause", you've got to be kidding Tele. How about a women of 25, 26--29. Would they be "passed their prime".

As I said before, a man should be in a position to be able to support/provide for his wife and children. And again, what is coming through is your eye out for the "young".

Telesphorus · « **Reply #89 on:** March 22, 2011, 12:21:45 AM »

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A woman of 32/33 "past her best years" and "nearing menopause", you've got to be kidding Tele. How about a women of 25, 26--29. Would they be "passed their prime".

I think you've got to be kidding. Women are regularly advised that it may be too late to conceive if they wait past their twenties.

My younger sister is 31 now and she may never marry because the stupid twisted way women are encouraged to go to college and move to the big city.

When you're willing to have a serious discussion that isn't based on your arrogant derision of what I said (based as it is on the corrupt man-hating ideology that dominates our society) - which was completely natural and normal, then I'll continue this discussion with you.

Some links - one from a century ago, and one from a Catholic philosopher.

The women's movement and the baby crop

http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/fert.pdf