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Offline Cryptinox

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Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
« on: November 05, 2023, 08:25:53 AM »
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  • I am currently receiving schooling in a rural area and I have no means of personal transportation. The nearest traditional mass is less than an hour away by car but to get to it I'd have to spend at least $50 (probably more) paying someone off craigslist to take me each week. I can afford it but I am not sure if this is an "extraordinary effort" or not as I had been told one isn't bound to attend mass if it requires extraordinary effort but I am unaware of the relevant canons concerning this.
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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2023, 08:45:56 AM »
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  • I am currently receiving schooling in a rural area and I have no means of personal transportation. The nearest traditional mass is less than an hour away by car but to get to it I'd have to spend at least $50 (probably more) paying someone off craigslist to take me each week. I can afford it but I am not sure if this is an "extraordinary effort" or not as I had been told one isn't bound to attend mass if it requires extraordinary effort but I am unaware of the relevant canons concerning this.

    I don't know -- what are you going to spend your money on instead? You either value the Mass or you don't. You get to be with the King of Kings, worship Him as He desires to be worshiped, attend the Holy Sacrifice of Mass wherein the Son of God pleads for mercy and grace for you and all others present, and even receive the Source of Grace itself into your soul -- for a $50 expense.

    See? You're looking at this the wrong way. This is how Vatican II took root among Catholics in the 1960s. They were already worldly minded, superficial, and didn't appreciate sacred goods. They were losing the Faith already, that's why it was taken away from them.

    But back to the particulars of your situation --

    Paying someone $50 OR MORE off Craigslist? What about family, friends, fellow Catholics? Gas isn't THAT expensive.
    My commute is "less than an hour", about 35 minutes. 30 miles each way. In a large SUV that gets 12 MPG I'm probably spending around $15 to get to work and back.

    Have you gone to this chapel at all yet? For all you know, you'll make friends with some of the parishioners there and one of THEM will offer to drive you for the price of gas ($20?) rather than $50 to pay for their gas AND TIME/TROUBLE. You don't want to be hiring someone, paying for their trouble. You want to pay for gas alone, and the person WANTS you to go to Mass because they're Catholic. That's what you need to find.

    Be honest with yourself though. Rather than looking for permission/indult on a Trad forum to avoid Mass indefinitely because it's "extraordinary effort" why not embrace such heroism as the Saints would? What would ANY OF THE SAINTS do in your situation? Let's be honest here.

    But *IF* I repeat *IF* it were super expensive or difficult to get to Mass, your next goal would be to NOT avoid Mass altogether. Skipping Mass on one week is not a huge deal (with good reason). But skipping Mass indefinitely, for a whole year or more? That's a whole different kettle of fish. Why not go EVERY OTHER WEEK in that situation? Or once a month?
    But you must beware: it's difficult to form habits with a "period" of more than a week. I've seen it hundreds of times at my independent chapel here. When you're staying home "most" Sundays, it's SO easy to change that to "every Sunday". Whatever you do all those other Sundays simply bleeds into that one Mass Sunday, and you're done! No more Mass. It's a question of habit. If the general habit is "at home on Sunday, no Mass" then going to Mass will be the exception -- and that exception will not live long. Humans are creatures of habit.

    No, I think the longest period for a habit is 7 days. Like "I start up all my mowers on Saturday to keep them running" Yes that's oddly specific, it's something I do. Every Friday this, every Monday that, every Saturday this and that. But beyond that, it's too rare to be a habit.

    TL;DR - avoid Pharisaic Legalism, and meditate on the great value of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass AND the Sacraments you will receive there. Find a Catholic, friend, or family member who will drive you for GAS rather than hiring a complete stranger who will want money for gas AND time/trouble. Worst case go to Mass less often than weekly, but beware it's impossible to form a true habit with more than 7 days between "events".
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    Offline moneil

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2023, 09:00:40 AM »
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  • I assume that as you are in a rural area public transit isn't an option.  You should contact the priest at the chapel and ask to have a request for transportation in their Sunday bulletin.  There may be a chapel member who is close to you who would be happy to help out.

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2023, 09:40:21 AM »
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  • I was in this situation years ago when I was temporarily living in a rural area. I managed to pay someone to drive me to Mass one time, and at the Mass I met a guy who happened to be living near me. 

    Long story short, he not only drove me to and from Mass every week, but also ended up becoming a good friend who I still keep in touch with years later after having moved away. You never know what could happen. 
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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #4 on: November 05, 2023, 12:19:39 PM »
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  • I am in a similar situation.  My mother is severely disabled (though, thankfully, in overall good health otherwise at age 92, and as to her mental acuity, you've never seen anything like it, she is as sharp as a woman a third her age!) and requires physical assistance for almost all activities of daily living --- she cannot walk, cannot get to the kitchen to prepare food, can't get to the bathroom and tend to herself unaided, and so on.  A professional caregiver would cost $120 for four hours, which is roughly the time it would take me to get to Mass, assist at Mass, and return home.  We are all on fixed incomes and money is tight, as always.  I am trying to find a way for such a caregiver to come every few weeks, to free me up to get to Mass at least that often.

    Prayers for this intention would be appreciated.


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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #5 on: November 05, 2023, 10:06:11 PM »
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  • Call the chapel and tell of your predicament.  Maybe somebody is able to give you a ride for less than $50!  Or can you invest in one of those battery operated scooters, bikes, or a moped?  If nothing else works out, what about attending once a month and the rest of the time, on livestream if they have it, or listening to an audio recording?  What did you do during the C-sickness?  

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #6 on: November 06, 2023, 02:40:22 AM »
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  • I would pay and go, without any hesitation until a better solution comes up. How far is it away? Can you cycle there ? 

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2023, 05:20:23 AM »
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  • I am currently receiving schooling in a rural area and I have no means of personal transportation. The nearest traditional mass is less than an hour away by car but to get to it I'd have to spend at least $50 (probably more) paying someone off craigslist to take me each week. I can afford it but I am not sure if this is an "extraordinary effort" or not as I had been told one isn't bound to attend mass if it requires extraordinary effort but I am unaware of the relevant canons concerning this.


    I wouldn’t hesitate to pay any reasonable amount of money to go to mass especially since you are in school and possibly susceptible to the influence of bad companions. As others have said, maybe you’ll meet someone who lives close by and will take you.
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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #8 on: November 06, 2023, 05:49:08 AM »
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  • Lots of good advice here.  I would just add:  Is the priest a certainly valid priest?  If not, then it doesn't matter.   

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #9 on: November 06, 2023, 06:07:57 AM »
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  • Have you gone to this chapel at all yet? For all you know, you'll make friends with some of the parishioners there and one of THEM will offer to drive you for the price of gas ($20?) rather than $50 to pay for their gas AND TIME/TROUBLE.

    Great point.  It's worth going up there at least once to see if someone else can help you out.  When I was a college student attending SSPX hotel Mass in Chicago in the late 1980s, when I finally got a car so that I could drive, I picked up an older lady every Sunday and took her to Mass.  I didn't even know her, but someone mentioned she needed a ride and so I figured I'd help her out.

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #10 on: November 06, 2023, 09:13:27 AM »
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  • How about calling the priest and asking him if he knows any parishoners in your area that can pick you up? 


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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #11 on: November 06, 2023, 10:03:10 AM »
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  • I am currently receiving schooling in a rural area and I have no means of personal transportation. The nearest traditional mass is less than an hour away by car but to get to it I'd have to spend at least $50 (probably more) paying someone off craigslist to take me each week. I can afford it but I am not sure if this is an "extraordinary effort" or not as I had been told one isn't bound to attend mass if it requires extraordinary effort but I am unaware of the relevant canons concerning this.

    If you really cannot afford the fee to get to the Latin Mass, then it would be considered a hardship to attend it. However, might it be worth trying to attend at least once a month?

    I have a similar situation, though the details are different. Two years ago, we moved from the big city (with easy access to an SSPX chapel), and now we live far out in the countryside, and the nearest SSPX chapel is a three hour drive, one way. Explaining my situation to an SSPX priest, he told me that I should try to go to Mass at least once a month, and that has worked out pretty well.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #12 on: November 06, 2023, 10:11:54 AM »
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  • If you really cannot afford the fee to get to the Latin Mass, then it would be considered a hardship to attend it. However, might it be worth trying to attend at least once a month?

    I have a similar situation, though the details are different. Two years ago, we moved from the big city (with easy access to an SSPX chapel), and now we live far out in the countryside, and the nearest SSPX chapel is a three hour drive, one way. Explaining my situation to an SSPX priest, he told me that I should try to go to Mass at least once a month, and that has worked out pretty well.

    Yes, for others in your situation (3 hours one way).
    But the young man in this thread said his Mass was "less than an hour" away. So I think he can do more than once a month.

    As for the cost, I'm going to quote an old priest, "Be honest with yourself, be honest with God." That's why I asked where he would likely spend that $50 Mass-travel expenses instead: A video game? A Netflix subscription? A 24 pack of beer? Because if one purchased one of those things with the money saved from NOT going to Mass, it would show what his REAL god is, wouldn't it?

    But my next thought was, $50 for a less than 2 hour round trip? That's not gas cost, that's paying someone to drive you. What about parishioners, family members, friends? They might do it for COST or even FREE "for God's glory".

    As someone else pointed out, he's probably going to be exposed to a lot more evils and temptations from college students, minimum wage employees, and being around lots of ignorant, hedonistic young people than someone at a later stage in life, when you can isolate yourself a bit more from that. You have more control over where you are throughout the day (where you live, where you play, where you rest, even where you work).

    As for time, a young person has nothing but time, and virtually all of them throw it away (waste it) by the double handfuls, like sand when you live next to a beach. Not treasured at all.
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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #13 on: November 06, 2023, 10:18:53 AM »
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  • How about calling the priest and asking him if he knows any parishoners in your area that can pick you up?

    Also a good suggestion.  Who knows?  You could find out that someone who attends that chapel lives a block away from you.

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    Re: Am I bound to go to Mass in this case?
    « Reply #14 on: November 06, 2023, 10:21:32 AM »
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  • Yes, for others in your situation (3 hours one way).
    But the young man in this thread said his Mass was "less than an hour" away. So I think he can do more than once a month.

    As someone else pointed out, he's probably going to be exposed to a lot more evils and temptations than someone at a later stage in life, when you can isolate yourself a bit more from that. You have more control over where you are throughout the day (where you live, where you play, where you rest, even where you work).

    As for time, a young person has nothing but time, and virtually all of them throw it away (waste it) by the double handfuls, like sand when you live next to a beach. Not treasured at all.

    I agree that he if he could attend more than once a month, that would be a very good thing, considering, as you say, the evils and temptations of the world that he would be exposed to. It all depends on his income. If he is on a restricted income, as some students are, then it might cost hundreds of dollars a month to get a ride out there. but as has been pointed out, he could strive to make a sacrifice in order to get to the Mass. It is of course that important.

    When I was young and attended community college, I had no help from my parents, and could barely afford enough money for food, even though I also worked full time, and didn't have a car. I took the bus everywhere. So I can understand if he truly can't afford it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29