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Offline wallflower

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« on: May 01, 2016, 05:49:27 PM »
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  • I feel like I am always on the fringe no matter the group.

    In the world as a practicing Catholic I am on the fringe.

    Among practicing Catholics, I am Trad -- fringe.

    Among Trads, I tend to Resistance philosophies -- fringe.

    I spend so much time thinking the rest of the world is crazy but it gets tiring. Now and then you have to take a second look and wonder if maybe it's you. I don't even know where to start in examining if it's me.

    I don't think I have a question, I just assume everyone feels this way now and then so I am hoping for some words of wisdom.




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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 07:52:31 AM »
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  • Yes, I think everyone feels this way now and then, but as much as possible, it's best to avoid thinking about this type of thing for a number of reasons.

    Perhaps the best reason is the danger of thinking you are somehow better than the rest of the world. I'm not saying you think this, I am saying it often leads to that kind of thinking, because the more you dwell on it, the more you will find the worse the people appear to be, the next thing that comes naturally is the better we imagine ourselves to be.

    I didn't explain it very well but for the sake of brevity, hopefully you get the jist of it.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 11:08:48 AM »
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  • I assume you mean never really fitting in anywhere.  If so, yes; my entire life I have felt that way.  At this point in time in my life, I do not care.   The only thing that matters to me is getting to Heaven.  The sooner, the better.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 11:19:08 AM »
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    I spend so much time thinking the rest of the world is crazy but it gets tiring. Now and then you have to take a second look and wonder if maybe it's you. I don't even know where to start in examining if it's me.


    Would you rather be like everyone else?  Do you know what the majority are like?  If not mentally ill (or so they claim), they are on either meth or heroin or some wrongly named "anti-depressant."  They spend their life sitting in a chair in the office of a counselor, or a psychologist, actually thinking the person will help them, when all the "professional" does is ask "Well, and what do you think about that?" or "How does that make you feel?" or worse yet, just saying "Uh-huh.  Uh-huh."

    The majority of the people in this world have no morals and either a deadened or no conscience.

    They have no real belief in God, but they do have "spirituality" which means they send positive thoughts your way through the cosmos.  And actually believe that if you can force the outcome of anything in your life if you "think lovely thoughts."

    If that doesn't suit you, you can opt for the novus ordo mentality.  Francis can do no wrong.  Everything he says and does is inspired by the "Spirit" because the "Spirit" chose him to be pope.  The Mass is a meal and the highlight of it is fellowship.  There is no one true religion; all are going to Heaven.  Hell exist, but who knows if anyone is there?  

    I know how you feel, Wallflower. I've thought to myself often maybe I am the one who has to change, but then I remember that I still think the same way (more or less) that I did when I was young.  Used to be that the majority thought as I did.  Now, I am a minority.


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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 12:14:50 PM »
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  • I haven't "fit in"as an adult since I began homeschooling 20 years ago.  (I also didn't fit in as a child due family background and other things).  

    Actually, the first thing was staying at home to raise our children when no one else seemed to be.
    Then we attended a Novus Ordo mass where no other families' home-schooled and the mothers worked outside the home.

     I've been Traditionally minded for about 14 years, but am still stuck at a Novus Ordo parish. I don't fit in with people at church, nor people in the world, and I don't fit in with the majority of traditional Catholics because I only have 2 children and am unable to go to a Traditional Parish.

     I gather I wouldn't fit in there either because of the small family size.

    I guess it can be seen as an aid to becoming further detached from the world and focusing on Jesus, Mary and the afterlife.  

    There are few comforts here.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 09:49:27 PM »
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  • Oh, don't we feel like "misfits", ha!  Christ was the "corner" stone that was rejected.He more or less said, if they treat me this way, you can expect the same.  Smile, you are on the right side.

    I say 2 rosaries when I walk the path at our Rec. Center.  Every now and then I get someone to pass by and say good words, or a thumbs up or down words, like "that is demonic".  I had a doctor tell me in a few words, he was a muslim.  Oh, well, sure makes for an interesting day!

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    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 11:59:33 AM »
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    I assume you mean never really fitting in anywhere.  If so, yes; my entire life I have felt that way.  At this point in time in my life, I do not care.   The only thing that matters to me is getting to Heaven.  The sooner, the better.


    We should rejoice in the conclusion that "This world has nothing to offer". Contempt of the world is the first step towards really shifting our focus on Heaven, which is where our real home is. Christ will draw His flock out of the world. Reaching the highest level of detachment from the world is true death to Self. We need to do this so that Christ can come and live within us, as St. Paul teaches: It is not us who live anymore; but Christ who lives in us.

    The world is the church of Satan, like the Catholics are the Church of Christ Lord. The world is the mystical body of the devil, like the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. There are two kingdoms: the kingdom of Heaven, which begins with the grace of Baptism and develops in us until eternal life, and the kingdom of Satan, which starts in sin and develops in those who love the spirit of the world. Even Christ Himself declared this world to be the enemy of truth "Spiritum veritatis quem mundus non potest accipere; the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive."

    These two kingdoms, the Church and the world, make war on each other until death, are in continual opposition and do not get along. They are opposed to one another like death and life.  “Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God” declares St. James.


    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2016, 06:25:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: wallflower

    I feel like I am always on the fringe no matter the group.

    In the world as a practicing Catholic I am on the fringe.

    Among practicing Catholics, I am Trad -- fringe.

    Among Trads, I tend to Resistance philosophies -- fringe.

    I spend so much time thinking the rest of the world is crazy but it gets tiring. Now and then you have to take a second look and wonder if maybe it's you. I don't even know where to start in examining if it's me.

    I don't think I have a question, I just assume everyone feels this way now and then so I am hoping for some words of wisdom.




    Welcome to the club! ;-)

    I think that the devil tries to make us feel that we are alone so that we will question our motives and actions, and consider abandoning the true Faith.  He has done this to everyone who has tried to live a virtuous life since the beginning of the world.  

    The hard part is that there are less solid Catholics now in the world then before, so it is even harder to find people to relate to...  And with the situation in Rome, everyone is split...

    We really need the Church Hierarchy to be restored before us little laity people will feel safe, secure, and that we belong somewhere again...


    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2016, 12:58:06 PM »
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    Would you rather be like everyone else?  Do you know what the majority are like?  If not mentally ill (or so they claim), they are on either meth or heroin or some wrongly named "anti-depressant."  They spend their life sitting in a chair in the office of a counselor, or a psychologist, actually thinking the person will help them, when all the "professional" does is ask "Well, and what do you think about that?" or "How does that make you feel?" or worse yet, just saying "Uh-huh.  Uh-huh."


    As a therapist, all I can do is encourage good behavior and try to discourage bad behavior or actions in a very limited and narrow manner. I provide an ear for someone to discuss frustration because they do not have another to share their fears, worries, and concerns. People do not come for the full truth which would be stop sinning, pray the rosary daily, become Catholic, and go to confession. Even if I could be so blunt, they would look at me as if I were crazy because I belong to a tiny fringe minority of traditional Catholics.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2016, 06:14:27 PM »
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  • You have to keep things in perspective.

    It's not up to you to single highhandedly save the Church.  It's a Bishop's prerogative to grapple with those issues.  Find a parish you feel most comfortable and leave the theological and  liturgical debates to the professionals.  Focus on your own faith and happiness.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2016, 12:15:38 PM »
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  • I didn't realize this was so far back. Thank you for the responses both here and in PM. I have pondered it all off and on.

    Today's Eleison Comments really helped clarify it for me too. I'm sure it will be posted elsewhere but it really fits here too. My difficulty is not so much that I think badly of others, but perhaps think too much of them. I am often impressed and amazed by the intelligence and talents of so many millions of people around me. So when it comes to morality and common sense about God, why we are here etc... I am always bewildered by how wrong they get it. There seems to be a disconnect between the intellect and the understanding. I don't understand the insanity.

    Sometimes this makes me question myself and if I am the "crazy" one, but also always spurs me to pray hard for the graces of Faith and Understanding. I was so uplifted to see this Comment today. It offers a truly reasonable, profound and substantial answer to some of my confusion on how people in general can be so intelligent and so talented yet still so lacking in Faith and Wisdom.

    Academia Diagnosed


    If Academia lacks all rhyme and reason
    That is because churchmen committed treason.

    When your Excellency asked me as a student of history whether I agreed with you that the agnostic phenomenism condemned in Pascendi is the greatest single clue-in to the modern scene, I briefly concurred. Then I asked myself how men, especially learned men, could ever take seriously such nonsense as the mind knowing nothing beyond the phenomena, or appearances. And I recalled how, after sitting in University classrooms for the past 3 1/2 years, and listening carefully to some brilliant professors who seem to have a sense of reality, and to many who do not, I myself had begun to wonder why some have a great sense of reason and others with the same or similar Doctorate Degrees have adopted such wild and unreasonable ideas. Let me give you the answer of this long-time observer of the academic scene . . . .

    It dawned on me after a little thought that the professors who were the most logical were Catholics, because they may be conservatives at best, but they have a realistic view of the world. The ideas and concepts they teach are, for the most part, sensible. On the other hand, the instructions of a majority of professors are muddled, confusing, and nonsensical. They profess bizarre and outlandish ideas and back them up with half-truths. They adopt almost any trendy notion, such as Global Warming or Climate Change ( the new “Evolution”), and present it as truth. Their reasoning behind these notions is pure nonsense and cannot stand up to close scrutiny. I began to wonder, how can such learned men be so ignorant? After much thought I came up with what I am sure is the true answer.

    Since the professors who are more sensible are men at least striving to be Catholic, it would stand to reason that they possess something that the heathens do not. Before the revolt by Martin Luther, most scholars or learned men were Catholics who used their reason and possessed common sense, so that most taught and believed the same truth. When Luther ravaged the Church, he also ravaged many learned clerics and university professors. In particular, his new religion eliminated the Sacrament of Confirmation by which we know that Catholics receive the seven Gifts of the Holy Ghost, four of which are for the mind: Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, and Counsel. All four are now lacking to today’s agnostic professors. These may be well-educated, learned people, but they cannot use their learning in a reasonable way, or apply it to reality. As Pius X says, they develop fantasies and present them as truths, and furthermore convince themselves that they are brilliant, when in fact they are wallowing in ignorance. They are the 2+2=5 cult! And proud of it.

    On this theory, today’s destruction of academia would go back to Luther’s abandoning of the Sacrament of Confirmation, and to Europe’s universities becoming less and less Catholic. Eventually thousands of professors were unleashed on the world of academia who were educated beyond their ability to reason. Lacking Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, and Counsel in their highest sense as Gifts from God, they developed in universities the panoply of today’s errors, or “isms.” For instance, to claim that Global Warming will destroy man and the world is sheer nonsense, yet it is taught and believed in modern Universities, as if it were 2+2 = 4. And these poisonous ideas are gobbled up by the wide-eyed youth in Universities, like biscuits at High Tea, especially the idea that Truth is merely what each of us believes it to be, and Reason be damned.

    So it would follow that when Vatican II chose to follow in Luther’s footsteps by abandoning Tradition and by so “renewing” the sacrament of Confirmation as to threaten its validity, Catholics too imperilled the Gifts of the Holy Ghost, and lost correspondingly the ability to reason, because Newchurch Confirmation is now meant simply to make them “better Christians.”

    Kyrie eleison.






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    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2016, 04:51:37 PM »
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  • Oh, how does it go: "even the Elite will be fooled".

    When I was in the military, and I was an NCO, I wondered why some officers were with college but common sense was not with them.  For example:  My husband was an NCO on the flight-line in Vietnam.  In order to not be seen, white t-shirts under the fatigue uniform was not to be worn.  Dark green t-shirts were to be worn.  Sad to say some officer said he wanted white, because it looked nice. Well, needless to say, some of the men were fired upon and the order was back to the dark green t-shirts.

    And to add another story.  In boot camp, as a group, we were to hid ourselves, tent and all.  The one gal in charge thought it was important to put a white paper cup in front of our tent and she called it "foliage"!  We were the first to be found, flunk!

    I hate to say it, wallflower, but the same things do continue in the civilian life!  Yuck!
    In the military I learned to take care of myself and not to look how others maintain their life.

    I would rather be a soldier for Christ.  Now, I know what to do in this arena, at least I try to.  That is what God wants the most, those who want to serve Him, they try.

    I think as we get older, we desire perfection more.  And we should, when it is Heaven that we strive for.  If anyone should ask us, do we have a 2nd home, I shall say, yes, we do, and it is perfect and look to the sky!

    So, as Fr. Arseny said to those in prison and out of prison, " don't put your mind on dark things, whether they be of satan or such, but keep your mind, soul and heart to the higher treasures of life.