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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: From the White House?
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2025, 12:15:25 PM »
I read the letter as a very positive letter towards Our Lady and Christmas.  It wasn’t meant to be a doctrinal thesis nor an encyclical.  You expect too much.  

Crazy expectations = suffering.  

The perfect is the enemy of the good.  

The letter wasn’t perfect but it was GOOD!

Re: From the White House?
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2025, 12:32:48 PM »
And guess what religious group also shares that same Birth = Personhood belief?

From Gemini AI:

In the тαℓмυdic and broader Jєωιѕн legal tradition, the status of life is viewed as a gradual development rather than a single moment of "personhood" at conception. While the fetus is highly valued as potential life, it does not achieve the legal status of a full "person" (nefesh) until birth.

The тαℓмυdic perspective generally breaks down into three distinct stages:

1. The First 40 Days: "Mere Water"

From conception until the 40th day of gestation, the тαℓмυd (specifically in Yevamot 69b) describes the embryo as maya b’alma, which translates to "mere water" or "mere fluid." During this initial period:

  • The embryo is not considered to have any independent status or human form.
  • In legal terms regarding inheritance or ritual purity, it is treated as though it does not yet exist as a distinct entity.

2. 40 Days to Birth: "A Part of the Mother"

After the 40th day and until the moment of birth, the fetus is considered a "potential life." However, it is legally defined as ubar yerech immo—literally, "the thigh of its mother."


Part of the Body: The fetus is considered an integral part of the pregnant person's body, similar to an organ, rather than a separate person.

Prioritizing the Mother: Because the fetus is "potential life" and the mother is an "existing life," Jєωιѕн law (Halakha) mandates that if the mother's life or health is at risk, her life takes absolute precedence.


3. Birth: The Beginning of Personhood

According to the Mishnah (Ohalot 7:6), full personhood (nefesh) is established only at the moment of birth.


The Threshold: The тαℓмυd defines this moment as when the "greater part" of the body (or the head) emerges from the birth canal.

The "First Breath": Many commentators link this to the "breath of life" mentioned in Genesis, suggesting that the soul (neshamah) fully enters the body with the first independent breath.

Legal Equality: Only after this point is the baby considered a separate person with legal rights equal to the mother. At this stage, one life cannot be set aside for another.


Summary Table: Status of Life in the тαℓмυd


Stageтαℓмυdic TermStatus
0–40 DaysMaya b’alma"Mere water"; no formal status.
40 Days to BirthUbar yerech immoPart of the mother's body; potential life.
Emergence (Birth)NefeshFull human personhood and legal rights.
Quite right! Jєωιѕн groups have actually said that banning abortion (child murder/sacrifice) violates their "religious freedom". They are honest at times 


Re: From the White House?
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2025, 08:31:03 PM »
Cera;  Trump deverted the funds from planned parenthood to susan b. Anthony, which is not pro-life.  Susan b. Anthony is for contraceptives and the abortion pill is in definition a contraceptive (emergency). They are for sterilization.  Title X funds are also going to crisis centers.  IUDs and such are abortifacients.

Trump is not pro-life.  Catholic charities that is not being touched by trump is abortion and alphabet perverts.  

Just rerouted funds.  no changes

Offline Gray2023

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Re: From the White House?
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2025, 09:21:52 PM »
You are UNBELIEVABLE!

No, you didn't "read the letter" you dolt!

If you had actually paid attention to what you read then you would have seen RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE on the second paragraph and ENORMOUS CHRISTOLOGICAL HERESY GRINNING AT YOU, " "God became man when Mary gave birth to a son, Jesus," =  HERESY

It isn't a good of ANY KIND AT ALL!

Let me ask you this, What amount of heresy in something is acceptable to you to make it still "good"?

The only unreal expectation I could be accused of holding is to think highly of you and your compatriots in this gaff and hope you would simply recant - and yes this has caused me some very, very, minor inconvienience - hardly a suffering I would say.


It is your clear INDIFFERENCE to your public error of supporting his statement that I am pointing out to YOU in the hope of shaking you from your stupor of intransigence.
Then man up and try to correct the heresy in the briefing.  I sent a letter requesting the correction.  Did you?  It it is one thing to complain, it is another thing to do something about it.  It doesn't matter what the out come might be, you still have to do your due diligence.

Re: From the White House?
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2025, 05:14:53 PM »
Cera;  Trump deverted the funds from planned parenthood to susan b. Anthony, which is not pro-life.  Susan b. Anthony is for contraceptives and the abortion pill is in definition a contraceptive (emergency). They are for sterilization.  Title X funds are also going to crisis centers.  IUDs and such are abortifacients.

Trump is not pro-life.  Catholic charities that is not being touched by trump is abortion and alphabet perverts. 

Just rerouted funds.  no changes
Please provide sources.