Author Topic: Allignment with which Catholic group. (Read 2785 times)

Gray2023 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 16, 2026, 03:05:08 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on April 16, 2026, 12:11:08 AM

It's not about whatever you feel. It's about the Truth.

Sedevacantism is an opinion. There are many humble sedes who accept that and attend resistance Masses.

Trying to use your own subjective experience about sede families being more intact that resistance ones is completely irrelevant to whether this is the right position to take.

What is wrong is making it a dogma.

True. No one has the authority to make any choice on the poll a dogma. Sometimes it feels like you try to make the choice of the "resistance" the only correct choice. If that wasn't your mission, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 16, 2026, 03:20:53 AM »

Quote from: JonandDebbie on April 16, 2026, 01:27:31 AM

Gray2023 has done us a great favor in posting this poll. She has posted what the poll most certainly shows: "Most of us do not submit to Pope Leo's authority."

I would like to know if Gray2023 has viewed the 38 minute You tube video by Bishop Roy entitled: "The Need for an Imperfect Council"?

I started to watch the video, but I personally think that the correction will happen with a pope being elected who realizes he is not a priest or a bishop and seeks the means to correct the situation by being conditionally ordained and conditionally consecrated. For everyone to fall in line that bishop would have to be from the +Lefebvre's line. But I also think that the groups who will have the explanation best understood because they seem to be the only ones trying to solve the problem from a dogma perspective is the RCI and the IMBC who are doing the intellectual work of trying to understand the Cassiciacuм Thesis. That is just my opinion. I have no authority and I am not commanding anyone. Only God knows the plan.

JonandDebbie · « **Reply #52 on:** **Yesterday** at 02:01:05 AM »

Gray2023, in the 2 and one half years since you have been on CI I have watched you time and again try to bring peace and unity between the different camps/factions. I know how you must suffer by not knowing which camp is right. Therefore, I am surprised that you have not watched all of Bishop Roy's video. Please do find time to watch it and in addition, please read at least one historical account of the Great Western Schism, (1378-1417).

You have stated: "I have no authority and I am not commanding anyone". It is not true that you have no authority.

We have a DeHarb's Catechism "specially adapted for use in the parochial schools of the United States". On page 4 are listed, The Commandments of the Church. #4. "To confess at least once a year to a duly authorized priest." Note that it says, "duly authorized priest". This catechism is for children and they are being instructed to only go to a duly authorized priest. That means that children have the authority to decide and make sure (command) that the priest that they go to is duly authorized.

Now if "most of us do not submit to Pope Leo's authority" as your poll shows, that means that our priests most likely are not duly authorized and we are not allowed to go to them until they get duly authorized. This is why our priests should not be opposed to an Imperfect Council. If they are opposed to the council, it is a sure sign that they are in schism. This is what Bishop D'Ailly said at the time of the Great Western Schism, "I know no schismatics save those who...do not want to follow the movement for union." This movement for union was what later became known as an imperfect council and finally became known as the Council of Constance which brought about the restoration of the Papacy.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #53 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:10:20 AM »

Quote from: JonandDebbie on Yesterday at 02:01:05 AM

Gray2023, in the 2 and one half years since you have been on CI I have watched you time and again try to bring peace and unity between the different camps/factions. I know how you must suffer by not knowing which camp is right. Therefore, I am surprised that you have not watched all of Bishop Roy's video. Please do find time to watch it and in addition, please read at least one historical account of the Great Western Schism, (1378-1417).

You have stated: "I have no authority and I am not commanding anyone". It is not true that you have no authority.

We have a DeHarb's Catechism "specially adapted for use in the parochial schools of the United States". On page 4 are listed, The Commandments of the Church. #4. "To confess at least once a year to a duly authorized priest." Note that it says, "duly authorized priest". This catechism is for children and they are being instructed to only go to a duly authorized priest. That means that children have the authority to decide and make sure (command) that the priest that they go to is duly authorized.

Now if "most of us do not submit to Pope Leo's authority" as your poll shows, that means that our priests most likely are not duly authorized and we are not allowed to go to them until they get duly authorized. This is why our priests should not be opposed to an Imperfect Council. If they are opposed to the council, it is a sure sign that they are in schism. This is what Bishop D'Ailly said at the time of the Great Western Schism, "I know no schismatics save those who...do not want to follow the movement for union." This movement for union was what later became known as an imperfect council and finally became known as the Council of Constance which brought about the restoration of the Papacy.

I think you might be missing the point, though. All the Popes at the time resigned. In our case the current pope Leo, would have to resign. We are not at all close to getting a resignation from Pope Leo. Unless this imperfect council plans to convince Pope Leo XIV that he is not properly pope, I don't think it can succeed.

I will try to take the time to listen.

And here is an interesting thought if a priest was ordained in the new rite, but then conditionally ordained in the old rite back in the 70s, 80s then isn't that priest still a duly authorized priest of the Catholic Church?

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #54 on:** **Yesterday** at 09:45:09 AM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on April 16, 2026, 03:05:08 AM

True. No one has the authority to make any choice on the poll a dogma. Sometimes it feels like you try to make the choice of the "resistance" the only correct choice. If that wasn't your mission, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

No it is the only correct choice for Mass attendance.

But the point is that I cannot act in such a way that I can cite Church councils to prove it, like I could with someone trying to say the Blessed Mother is not a virgin or something like that. So discretion is required.

It also means that God will be merciful to SSPXers, novus ordo people, and even Thucists (believe it or not), when they die. They all think they are being Catholic and that's more important than rejecting the Church entirely.

However when it comes to intelligent discernment, which, dont forget is a grace, no one has the right to refuse that grace from God. The prudent thing to do is avoid dangers to the faith, which includes avoiding these sketchy places, and not pretending like it's fine to attend modernist places of worship or receive potentially invalid Sacraments. Dont forget Our Lord died on the cross to give us these Sacraments.

Your faith is the greatest gift you have and you must cherish it with your life, and not complain you have to drive 6 hours to a resistance Mass.
When you wake up from that sleep you cannot go back to bed. Sorry it doesnt work that way. Hand to the plough and no turning back.

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