Author Topic: Allignment with which Catholic group. (Read 2258 times)

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #40 on:** April 13, 2026, 08:15:25 AM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on April 12, 2026, 08:54:06 PM

What is dangerous to the Faith is debatable? Look at the results of the poll.

Are you advocating that women should take the understanding of the crisis into their own hands?

Truth is not to be found in democracy.

And yes, I am advocating that.

Dont go to the other extreme of thinking women are absolute retards.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 13, 2026, 09:56:50 AM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on April 13, 2026, 08:15:25 AM

Truth is not to be found in democracy.

And yes, I am advocating that.

Dont go to the other extreme of thinking women are absolute retards.

Are you really looking for the Truth?

If you are then the reality is most of us are schismatic.

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A schismatic Catholic is a baptized person who, while maintaining the Christian faith, formally and knowingly refuses to submit to the Pope's authority or breaks communion with the members of the Church subject to him

Most of us do not submit to Pope Leo's authority. We are in another schism like the East-West schism except instead of a physical split we have a spiritual split. We do not know which camp is right. My guess is God has us where he wants us to be for the moment.

Women aren’t retarded, but they also need to be careful when deciding on this Crisis. I have seen more families fall apart holding the recognize and resist mentality, then holding that of the sedevacantist. Maybe those are just the people I have access to. I have seen many children lose the Faith or just go back to the Novus Ordo. The families that survive are the ones with the parents on the same page.

It is really bad form to be against women leading and being in public and telling her to focus on raising children and then say, but whatever you feel about religious matters do that even if your husband disagrees. I am exaggerating for effect. I hope you understand my meaning.

I disagree that the resistance position is the only position to hold right now. I believe their are strong patient diligent men looking for the truth and when God restores the papacy these people will have the Catholic doctrine to help explain what happened. In the mean time, like I always say, is that we need to conquer are own areas of sin and help those God has put in our path. People can think about this or not. I have no authority over anyone here. I just come as a friend.

Prayers for all.

Maria Dolorosa · « **Reply #42 on:** April 13, 2026, 05:42:37 PM »

I have posted the excerpt below elsewhere, but it seems useful to post it again here.

It is from "The Spiritual Director and Physician", by Fr. Raymond, O.P., 1914. Although he quotes it for scrupulous souls, the principles can be applied to anyone.

The saint quoted is St. Antoninus, a great moral theologian, and known for his rigour.

“When,” he [St. Antoninus] says, “a precept is susceptible of a twofold interpretation — one strict and the other more gentle — other things being equal, this latter must be preferred. The reason is because the commands of God and the Church have not been framed so as to destroy all spiritual sweetness, which must inevitably disappear under a too narrow and fearsome interpretation. The intention of God and His Church is not to prescribe the impossible, because, according to the law of justice, 'no one can be bound to that which he cannot perform.’ Now, in the new law, the word impossible would seem to mean that which is hardly possible, as presenting too great a difficulty. Otherwise, how can we explain those words of Our Lord, 'My yoke is sweet?' (1)

(1) Under every circuмstance we should recollect that when we find it difficult to form a decision, it is always preferable, by far, to lean to the side of mercy, and to take for our device what this great Saint has written: "It is always better to have to render account to God for showing too much mercy than for using too much severity.”

A religious was constantly telling a certain Father John that he was too good. “Well," he answered, "I prefer to fail by excess of goodness. When I go before God, He will not reproach me with that. And if He should, I would say : "Oh, my good Master, for all that I may do, I can never be so good as Thou hast been Thyself."

Anastasius, Abbot of Mount Sinai, who lived in the seventh century, relates this story: A religious of the monastery, whose life was coming to an end, seemed to give himself but little thought about his approaching death. He had frequently been dispensed from the spiritual exercises of the community, and had not seemed so very assiduous in the practice of virtue as to be able to draw any exceptional motives for calmness and tranquillity from his past career. The abbot who attended him in his last illness recalled his lack of fervour in the past, and asked him the reason of his calmness. “Fear not, my Father,” he replied; “ God has sent me an angel to assure me that I shall be saved according to His own words : "Judge not and you shall not be judged; condemn not and you shall not be condemned." (Luke vi. 37). “It is true that weak health and my little fervour have often prevented me from satisfying the duties of the community life. But, thanks to Our Lord, I have always taken with patience the hard treatment that my failings have brought upon me. I have always forgiven everything from my heart, and have tried to interpret all as well as I could. This it is that now constitutes my joy.”

In this good religious were verified these words of Holy Writ: “To the righteous a light is risen up in darkness; he is merciful and compassionate and just” (Ps. cxi. 4) ; “ Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy ” (Matt. v. 7).

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JonandDebbie · « **Reply #43 on:** **Today** at 03:58:45 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on April 13, 2026, 09:56:50 AM

Are you really looking for the Truth?

If you are then the reality is most of us are schismatic.
Most of us do not submit to Pope Leo's authority. We are in another schism like the East-West schism except instead of a physical split we have a spiritual split. We do not know which camp is right. My guess is God has us where he wants us to be for the moment.
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It is a good thing that we do not submit to pope Leo's authority or any of the Vatican II popes. They all teach that salvation can be found in any and all religions.

That puts us without a true Pope, and without a source of unity. We lack the first of the four marks of the Church. We are not one. but as you say, "we do not know which is the right camp".

I would be interested to know if you have viewed the 38 minute You tube video of Bishop Roy, entitled; The Need for an Imperfect Council?

Women aren’t retarded, but they also need to be careful when deciding on this Crisis. I have seen more families fall apart holding the recognize and resist mentality, then holding that of the sedevacantist. Maybe those are just the people I have access to. I have seen many children lose the Faith or just go back to the Novus Ordo. The families that survive are the ones with the parents on the same page.

It is really bad form to be against women leading and being in public and telling her to focus on raising children and then say, but whatever you feel about religious matters do that even if your husband disagrees. I am exaggerating for effect. I hope you understand my meaning.

I disagree that the resistance position is the only position to hold right now. I believe their are strong patient diligent men looking for the truth and when God restores the papacy these people will have the Catholic doctrine to help explain what happened. In the mean time, like I always say, is that we need to conquer are own areas of sin and help those God has put in our path. People can think about this or not. I have no authority over anyone here. I just come as a friend.

Prayers for all.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #44 on:** **Today** at 04:34:52 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on April 09, 2026, 05:28:13 PM

I also pray that Thuc line humble themselves and get conditionally ordained by Bishop Zendesjas. But I also pray that the SSPX and the "Resistance" priest and Bishops humble themselves and remove Pope Leo's name from their masses.

It’s a serious thing to tell entire groups of priests and bishops to “remove a pope” from the Mass. That requires certainty, not opinion. If you can’t clearly establish when, how, and by what authority the papacy was lost, then the more humble position is to admit the limits of your conclusion rather than demand universal action from others.

Humility doesn’t start by correcting the whole Church. It starts by being sure you’re not overstepping what can actually be proven.

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